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Post by tommym9 on Jul 1, 2020 13:54:56 GMT
I don't feel that sorry for them to be honest. Every team knows the rules and entering administration is an automatic 12 point deduction.
Say what you like about the EFL and giving different points deductions when wages aren't paid, but it's clear cut in this case.
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Post by toddy1953 on Jul 1, 2020 14:03:21 GMT
It’s the fans who I feel for, but then again it’s us fans who moan about the owners not spending money, then moan about sustainability when they do. It’s unfortunate but they have been relegated from the Championship twice in recent years only to win L1 the following season. Most fans celebrate this without looking at the bigger picture - I’m included here. What effect did parachute payments make? Seems to me that like most clubs they are not run with sustainability in mind. I don’t know about the takeover, but it could be this would have happened quicker without the takeover. Whilst this virus has not helped, if clubs have to go into administration because they have lost revenue from 4 or 5 home games then they are not being run on a sustainable basis. If this brings in the changes needed so in future we don’t have the same results of clubs going into administration or worse, then that will be good for the game & for the long term future of lower leagues. Once the next round of tv money is up for negotiations I can see more clubs in the top 2 leagues struggling as I don’t think their deals will be as lucrative as they were.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2020 14:07:53 GMT
The owners did do a runner as the new owners only took over last month? It's a difficult one as all the other Championship clubs have avoided going into Admin. They sold the club yes, I meant leaving the club in a lot of debt and having no more day to day involvement in it, as some other clubs in the EFL have experienced. Surprised the new owners have resorted to administration so readily after only taking the club over a few weeks ago. Don't they know that relegation from the Championship would vastly de-value their new asset? I believe they are an equity firm. This will give them an excellent tax credit against profits elsewhere.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Jul 1, 2020 15:01:12 GMT
Don't like Wigan at all. Horrible club with horrible fans who think they're far superior because they had a few years in the top flight.
League 1 crowds in the champ, come down here they'll get League 2 crowds, and so on
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Post by rememberhalifax on Jul 1, 2020 15:15:27 GMT
Radio Stoke full of Stoke's defeat at Wigan last night.Lose against Barnsley Sat and they could well be coming to the Mem.Not easy for Wigan players last night knowing this but they still stuffed Stoke. Wigan had Dave Whelan mastermind their rise to the Prem ,new stadium etc.Lovely modest man who put his money into his beloved club but was dealt a life changing blow when he used an allegedly offensive term about a Chinese Friend and was crucified by the 'Fluffy Bunny 'Brigade. Dave Whelan, the kind of owner i imagine every club would love to have, well remember him breaking leg v Wolves in cup final around 1960, pathetic reasons for his fall from grace!
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Post by rememberhalifax on Jul 1, 2020 15:21:15 GMT
Always thought kindly of Wigan, battled hard to emerge from shadows of The rugby league team and punched far above there weight for years under Whelan, Steve Bruce and Roberto Martinez, loved there F A cup win V Man City, Classic underdog story, though relegation came soon after, there but for the grace of Wael go Rovers!
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jul 1, 2020 15:21:44 GMT
It’s the fans who I feel for, but then again it’s us fans who moan about the owners not spending money, then moan about sustainability when they do. It’s unfortunate but they have been relegated from the Championship twice in recent years only to win L1 the following season. Most fans celebrate this without looking at the bigger picture - I’m included here. What effect did parachute payments make? Seems to me that like most clubs they are not run with sustainability in mind. I don’t know about the takeover, but it could be this would have happened quicker without the takeover. Whilst this virus has not helped, if clubs have to go into administration because they have lost revenue from 4 or 5 home games then they are not being run on a sustainable basis. If this brings in the changes needed so in future we don’t have the same results of clubs going into administration or worse, then that will be good for the game & for the long term future of lower leagues. Once the next round of tv money is up for negotiations I can see more clubs in the top 2 leagues struggling as I don’t think their deals will be as lucrative as they were. Its still just under a quarter of home games though. Plus functions/bars/parties etc which would have brought in even more money on both football/non-football days would have been completely wiped out too
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Post by Baxtinho on Jul 1, 2020 17:42:38 GMT
Radio Stoke full of Stoke's defeat at Wigan last night.Lose against Barnsley Sat and they could well be coming to the Mem.Not easy for Wigan players last night knowing this but they still stuffed Stoke. Wigan had Dave Whelan mastermind their rise to the Prem ,new stadium etc.Lovely modest man who put his money into his beloved club but was dealt a life changing blow when he used an allegedly offensive term about a Chinese Friend and was crucified by the 'Fluffy Bunny 'Brigade. Dave Whelan, the kind of owner i imagine every club would love to have, well remember him breaking leg v Wolves in cup final around 1960, pathetic reasons for his fall from grace! Racism? Can't think of many better reasons.
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Post by badengas on Jul 1, 2020 17:54:56 GMT
If the Sh!t go bust they could still go down... mind the gap.
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Post by wsmjohn on Jul 1, 2020 19:32:12 GMT
I can remember going to the old ground and losing 4-3. We were stood on a grass bank, early Twerton days, coach from Bristol broke down but arrived at half time. Before the game met two old men who took the four of us in their supporters bar after seeing us arrive in our car. They were worried we was hooligans but accepted us because there was no pubs near the ground and told us to hide our scarves. Great working class people with pride always Hoped they managed to see them in the Premiership.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Jul 2, 2020 9:09:04 GMT
Dave Whelan, the kind of owner i imagine every club would love to have, well remember him breaking leg v Wolves in cup final around 1960, pathetic reasons for his fall from grace! Racism? Can't think of many better reasons. interesting debate, does that mean terms like Taff, Jock, Paddy, Yokel, Geordie,,Scousers, etc are racist?
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Post by thegasman on Jul 2, 2020 9:11:23 GMT
The deduction of points for Wigan will happen at seasons end, depending where they finish.
If they finish in the relegation zone (not likely), then the 12 points are carried over to next season, when they start life in L1.
If Wigan do not finish in the relegation zone, then the 12 pts are deducted at the end of this season.
This could mean 1 of 2 things, they could be relegated, or more likely (currently) if they manage to achieve 4 points (currently) more than Hull, even after the 12 pts deduction, they would be safe.
Wigan currently are top of the form table and have won all 3 games since returning from the enforced break.
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Post by axegas on Jul 3, 2020 1:11:49 GMT
There seems to be a bit of a twist in this tale because a Wigan fan has allegedly secretly filmed the chairman of the EFL Rick Parry, saying that Wigan’s new owners had a bet on in the Philippines that Wigan would get relegated this season.
So the domino falling could be intentional.
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Post by pirate on Jul 3, 2020 3:04:14 GMT
There seems to be a bit of a twist in this tale because a Wigan fan has allegedly secretly filmed the chairman of the EFL Rick Parry, saying that Wigan’s new owners had a bet on in the Philippines that Wigan would get relegated this season. So the domino falling could be intentional. Wow. Shocking. And... 'Earlier on Thursday, administrators said there was a one in four chance Wigan may not see out the season. If they are unable to play their fixtures, the club will be in danger of folding. Gerald Krasner, one of three administrators, said he expects to unearth an 'incredible' financial mess that has brought the Championship club to its knees, and he confirmed that there is no prospect of Wigan's owners, Next Leader Fund, putting 'one penny' in after purchasing the club only last month. 'If we don't solve it and sell it, yes, it is as bad as Bury,' Krasner said. 'The ultimate sanction is liquidation.' International Entertainment Corporation, fronted by professional poker player Stanley Choi, sold their stake for £17.5million last month to another Hong Kong-based company, which was majority-owned by the same man at the time of the deal. Wages are due to be paid on Friday, of which 30 per cent is understood to have been deferred. But Krasner could not guarantee those will be honoured. The club are thought to need in the region of £6m for ongoing costs.' www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8485007/EFL-chief-Rick-Parry-secretly-filmed-discussing-Wigan-Athletics-stricken-former-owner.html
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 5:19:28 GMT
There seems to be a bit of a twist in this tale because a Wigan fan has allegedly secretly filmed the chairman of the EFL Rick Parry, saying that Wigan’s new owners had a bet on in the Philippines that Wigan would get relegated this season. So the domino falling could be intentional. From The TimesRick Parry has been involved in an astonishing conversation with a Wigan Athletic fan during which the chairman of the English Football League said there was a rumour that the club’s administration was linked to “a bet in the Philippines on them being relegated”. Four weeks ago Wigan were sold from one Hong Kong-based company to another, both of which were until recently majority-owned by the same businessman and a high-stakes professional poker player, Dr Choi Chiu Fai Stanley. Au Yeung Wai Kay, a Chinese businessman, has since replaced Dr Choi as the majority shareholder of Next Leader Fund, which purchased the club from International Entertainment Corporation (IEC), a Hong Kong-based, Cayman Islands-registered company, on June 2. But news has emerged this week that the Sky Bet Championship club is now facing a 12-point deduction after being put into administration because the owners are now refusing to invest any more money. That prompted a supporter, who claims to live in Parry’s road in a village in Cheshire, to seek an explanation from the EFL chairman. The fan, who asked not to be named, told The Times last night that he managed to catch Parry as he returned home in his car. In a video that was posted last night on Twitter, which shows only his feet, Parry says: “There are all sorts of rumours. There’s rumours that there is a bet in the Philippines on them being relegated because the previous owner has got gambling interests in the Philippines.” The comments could be a source of serious embarrassment for Parry, 65, a former Premier League and Liverpool chief executive who became chairman of the EFL last year, raising questions about how wise he was to have such a sensitive conversation with a fan on the street. The EFL confirmed last night that Parry had engaged with a fan but was unaware he was being filmed outside his home. A statement from the EFL said: “The EFL is aware of a video of its chairman posted on social media this evening that discusses recent developments at Wigan Athletic. “It was part of a much wider and impromptu discussion he was having with a Wigan supporter he does not know but who lives in the same area. “The private conversation focused around the events of the last 24-48 hours, how the EFL can assist and what happens next. The various rumours and reports that have been circulating throughout today were also discussed. “Whilst the chairman was unaware he was being filmed, he was happy to engage in the debate and appreciates this is a concerning and challenging time for all those associated with the club.” Henry Winter, Chief Football Writer
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Post by peterparker on Jul 3, 2020 5:44:48 GMT
Rules still have to apply. Why should clubs that don't go in to admin and pay their debts be disadvantaged by clubs who do and write off large chunks of debt just because of coronavirus
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Post by Congas on Jul 3, 2020 6:08:19 GMT
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 3, 2020 6:22:55 GMT
Not sure it really tells us anything apart from something dodgy has gone on, although how could the original buyer pass the EFL "fit & proper" checks, when he was a pro. gambler with no prior football ownership history. I guess they've learnt nothing from Bury's demise.
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Post by markczgas on Jul 3, 2020 14:09:43 GMT
Good game dominoes, but isn't it a pain to turn them all over afterwards?
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 3, 2020 16:12:19 GMT
Not sure it really tells us anything apart from something dodgy has gone on, although how could the original buyer pass the EFL "fit & proper" checks, when he was a pro. gambler with no prior football ownership history. I guess they've learnt nothing from Bury's demise. And I guess that particular point, passing the “fit and proper person “ checks will again raise issues about how fit the EFL are to run the affairs of 72 clubs. They appear to learn nothing about ensuring club owners are people of integrity who will look after the clubs they own. Some clubs are lucky with their owners, some are not but the EFL seem not to have a clue as to how they identify the difference between the two. UTG!
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