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Post by Gassy on Jul 1, 2020 12:20:13 GMT
So, who are we all hoping for? There are some big teams in the fight, with the bottom 2 having found some form in the bid to stay up.
Just seen that Wigan have entered administration, I assume that'll be a -12 point deduction, effectively relegating them?
EDIT: Just seen they'd only be 4 points from safety. Didn't realise they won their last 3 games!
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jul 1, 2020 12:21:04 GMT
So, who are we all hoping for? There are some big teams in the fight, with the bottom 2 having found some form in the bid to stay up. Just seen that Wigan have entered administration, I assume that'll be a -12 point deduction, effectively relegating them? Hard to enforce that during a pandemic?
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Post by Gassy on Jul 1, 2020 12:21:33 GMT
So, who are we all hoping for? There are some big teams in the fight, with the bottom 2 having found some form in the bid to stay up. Just seen that Wigan have entered administration, I assume that'll be a -12 point deduction, effectively relegating them? Hard to enforce that during a pandemic? They had no problem enforcing a points deduction on Macclesfield..
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Post by blueblood1883 on Jul 1, 2020 12:23:58 GMT
Are Bristol City mathematically safe yet?.. They'll do for me... Sorry couldn't resist.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jul 1, 2020 12:24:15 GMT
Hard to enforce that during a pandemic? They had no problem enforcing a points deduction on Macclesfield.. True but I think Macclesfields problems started long before fans were prevented from providing a source of income?
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Jul 1, 2020 12:25:13 GMT
Are Bristol City mathematically safe yet?.. They'll do for me... Sorry couldn't resist. I'm afraid they're just about safe
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Post by Gassy on Jul 1, 2020 12:34:13 GMT
They had no problem enforcing a points deduction on Macclesfield.. True but I think Macclesfields problems started long before fans were prevented from providing a source of income? Good point. It'll be really interesting to see how the EFL will react to this news. On one side, we have Wigan who were most likely due to enter admin anyway - if a Championship team on 6k crowds went in so quickly. I can only assume they were treading water? On the other side, who knows if they had plans to sell players this summer, to keep them afloat. All eyes on the EFL at this point.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jul 1, 2020 12:34:19 GMT
Are Bristol City mathematically safe yet?.. They'll do for me... Sorry couldn't resist. I'm afraid they're just about safe Must grind their gears to see clubs like Swansea, Cardiff, Southampton, Burnley, Norwich, Leicester, Leeds et al bypass them on route to the promised land when they have a billionaire buying them everything and covering substantial 'losses' each year. Even funnier that they somehow expect us to compete with that, with their 'mind the gap' references.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jul 1, 2020 12:37:27 GMT
True but I think Macclesfields problems started long before fans were prevented from providing a source of income? Good point. It'll be really interesting to see how the EFL will react to this news. On one side, we have Wigan who were most likely due to enter admin anyway - if a Championship team on 6k crowds went in so quickly. I can only assume they were treading water? On the other side, who knows if they had plans to sell players this summer, to keep them afloat. All eyes on the EFL at this point. I think there has to be some leniency offered in the first instance as they have had 3 months with no fan income, especially as they have only entered administration within this time. Agree though it needs to be handled very carefully as Wigan wont be the last to go down that route.
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Post by GasAttacK on Jul 1, 2020 12:40:26 GMT
Also, the season should have finished over a month ago and players would now be reporting back for pre season under normal circumstances. With that in mind maybe any punishment will be held over until next season? If there is a points deduction I think it will probably be less than the usual 12 points.
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Post by Jomo on Jul 1, 2020 12:44:38 GMT
It would be very harsh indeed to deduct Wigan points for going into admin during this pandemic. No board of directors at any club could have budgeted for the circumstances faced in the last few months, and so to punish them for it would set a dangerous precedent.
Deducting Macclesfield points was different, as their points deduction related to long-running financial irregularities dating back to way before COVID struck. I still think the Macc situation could have been handled much better, but then the EFL's decision making in general appears to have little rhyme or reason.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jul 1, 2020 12:46:27 GMT
It would be very harsh indeed to deduct Wigan points for going into admin during this pandemic. No board of directors at any club could have budgeted for the circumstances faced in the last few months, and so to punish them for it would set a dangerous precedent. Deducting Macclesfield points was different, as their points deduction related to long-running financial irregularities dating back to way before COVID struck. I still think the Macc situation could have been handled much better, but then the EFL's decision making in general appears to have little rhyme or reason. The EFL have Gurnham Singh syndrome....no idea what they are doing
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Post by Gassy on Jul 1, 2020 12:59:49 GMT
It would be very harsh indeed to deduct Wigan points for going into admin during this pandemic. No board of directors at any club could have budgeted for the circumstances faced in the last few months, and so to punish them for it would set a dangerous precedent. Deducting Macclesfield points was different, as their points deduction related to long-running financial irregularities dating back to way before COVID struck. I still think the Macc situation could have been handled much better, but then the EFL's decision making in general appears to have little rhyme or reason. Could well see them in L1 next season, EFL just announced a 12 point deduction
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Post by Jomo on Jul 1, 2020 13:03:26 GMT
It would be very harsh indeed to deduct Wigan points for going into admin during this pandemic. No board of directors at any club could have budgeted for the circumstances faced in the last few months, and so to punish them for it would set a dangerous precedent. Deducting Macclesfield points was different, as their points deduction related to long-running financial irregularities dating back to way before COVID struck. I still think the Macc situation could have been handled much better, but then the EFL's decision making in general appears to have little rhyme or reason. Could well see them in L1 next season, EFL just announced a 12 point deduction Certainly seems likely now. Really wouldn't surprise me if the likes of Hull, Huddersfield and Stoke would have had strong words in the EFL's ear about this, but I'm not sure I agree with it. One of the administrators has been quoted as saying "Obviously the suspension of the Championship season due to Covid-19 has had a significant impact on the recent fortunes of the club.". It's for this reason that applying the standard 12 point deduction is surely harsh?
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Post by Rovers 12th Man on Jul 1, 2020 13:06:16 GMT
Seems very harsh on Wigan given the unprecedented circumstances but I think they will still survive with the form they are in and maybe the sense of injustice around it all.
I think the 3 to go down will be Luton, Hull and Stoke.
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Post by blueblood1883 on Jul 1, 2020 13:11:04 GMT
Could well see them in L1 next season, EFL just announced a 12 point deduction Certainly seems likely now. Really wouldn't surprise me if the likes of Hull, Huddersfield and Stoke would have had strong words in the EFL's ear about this, but I'm not sure I agree with it. One of the administrators has been quoted as saying "Obviously the suspension of the Championship season due to Covid-19 has had a significant impact on the recent fortunes of the club.". It's for this reason that applying the standard 12 point deduction is surely harsh? You're spot on given the impact of the pandemic on football it's very harsh when potentially more will follow Wigan into administration. I read that if they aren't in the relegation places at the end of the season then the 12 point deduction takes place there and then. If they finish in the relegation positions then the 12 point deduction comes into effect in the 2020/21 season.. It just seems like a non common sense approach by the EFL to me..
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Post by wilkimania on Jul 1, 2020 13:32:03 GMT
I'll go with the unlikely and say Luton, Barnsley and Wigan (8 games since they last conceded a goal) continue their recent good form and stay up. That leaves us with Huddersfield, Stoke and Hull dropping into League One.
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Post by wilmslowgas on Jul 1, 2020 13:35:54 GMT
I'll go with the unlikely and say Luton, Barnsley and Wigan (8 games since they last conceded a goal) continue their recent good form and stay up. That leaves us with Huddersfield, Stoke and Hull dropping into League One. If true, will Huddersfield and Stoke still be enjoying Premiership parachute payments?
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Post by Gassy on Jul 1, 2020 13:51:38 GMT
I'll go with the unlikely and say Luton, Barnsley and Wigan (8 games since they last conceded a goal) continue their recent good form and stay up. That leaves us with Huddersfield, Stoke and Hull dropping into League One. If true, will Huddersfield and Stoke still be enjoying Premiership parachute payments? Yep, 2 more seasons of it I believe.. Think the parachute payments are for 4 years. 18 Charlton 46 -8 19 Middlesbrough 44 -11 20 Stoke 43 -11 21 Hull 42 -15 ----- 22 Huddersfield 42 -17 23 Barnsley 41 -17 24 Luton 40 -27 xx Wigan 38 -5 I'd certainly like Charlton and Luton down for location, but Stoke would be a good away day.
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Post by thegasman on Jul 1, 2020 13:58:20 GMT
So much for the EFLs fit and proper due diligence checks. The new Hong Kong owners, (Next Leader Fund, a limited partnership headed by Hong Kong businessman Au Yeung Wai Kay), only took the club over 4 weeks ago, unless they are hoping for the 12 points deduction this season, and with the form Wigan are in, they may still escape relegation. And does the going into admin, then relieve the club of the majority of their debts?
Whatever is afoot, sounds completely dodgy to my untrained eyes.
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