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Post by chewbacca on Jul 3, 2020 11:32:56 GMT
Can you think of a manager that has come in to a team doing so well and then done so badly for a prolonged period of time when they have come in as manager, yet ended up being a success managing at that club? At least this break will give Garner a 2nd chance, or maybe 3rd chance depending on how you look at it! How about a guy called Alex Ferguson? He did okay as I recall, after a rocky start... 😉 Ferguson's first job at East Sterlingshire; P17 W9 D2 L6 Pts 29 PPG 1.70 W% 52.9 Garner at Rovers; P16 W2 D5 L9 Pts 11 PPG 0.69 W% 12.5
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 3, 2020 11:33:26 GMT
I agree with GGMI.
Realistically his record suggests he just isnt very good.
Its "Stick with Nichols he will come good" syndrome all over again.
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Post by Icegas on Jul 3, 2020 11:35:24 GMT
He's not even managed for half a season, bored of reading these posts, they're for the people who love to wallow in depression. Who knows, maybe he'll be the worst we've ever seen but at least give the guy a half season with the team he produces before we start slagging him off Im not sure I agree with that. I think he talks an outstanding game, but he has not proven one thing to me to suggest that he will do well here, or can make it as a manager. I bet he was so happy for lockdown (for his career that is) as otherwise his career as a football manager could be already over. But he has some how survived, and starts back up with us as if it's his first day in the job with a club on the up given the news from the past month and he can start again. He seems a nice bloke and I will give him the chance of a fresh start once we start the season, but let's not hide behind the fact that he has be awlful thus far. He looks like he will get time as wael loves him and with no crowds at the start of the season looking likely, no pressure from the fans for change if things don't go well. He could get the whole of next season even if our form continues on from since he took over
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jul 3, 2020 11:35:42 GMT
How about a guy called Alex Ferguson? He did okay as I recall, after a rocky start... 😉 Did think about him but how bad was he at the start? Decent enough. It was his third and fourth seasons that were dodgy. (Maybe we should have given DC thirty more years.)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 11:38:19 GMT
I may live to regret this but personally I think Garner is going to be a success.... I have nothing to base that on other than gut feel and the support that I read in the press from others at different clubs etc, but I just have the feeling....
He came in at a time with a team that had been well drilled to play a specific style of football that was effective but not pretty. It was completely different to how Garner wants to play. He didn’t have the players to play in the way he wanted and he had some that didn’t want to play in his new way - the result was the poor form we saw.... (Not forgetting the personal issues he was going through too at the time)
He recruited in Jan with a view for this coming season and he’ll bolster that in this transfer window. He is supposedly a fantastic coach and the players he’s bought so far are in that ‘potential, talent, coachable’ space. The Jan players now have also now had 6 months to get used to the new surroundings and we have Hare returning which I think will make a difference.
I do think he’ll buy a little bit of experience to balance things out but the core group will be similar to what we had when first in the conference - young, hungry, wanting to improve and with a point to prove.
We may not see an amazing level of consistency initially but I do think he and the team will come good.... Building a decent training ground etc all points to putting the right foundations in place to support this...
I really do think we’ll be a higher performing team this year with one eye on promotion maybe next year with a team capable of holding their own in the championship with a decent LG 1 season followed by a LG 1 promotion season and that experience behind them..
Personally I think we should cut him some slack, get behind him and support him and see how the season pans out....
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Post by chewbacca on Jul 3, 2020 11:38:27 GMT
Did think about him but how bad was he at the start? Decent enough. It was his third and fourth seasons that were dodgy. (Maybe we should have given DC thirty more years.) It's a completely baffling comparison, he'd managed 655 games before joining United anyway. Oh and won 12 trophies. Ben hasn't won an away game.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jul 3, 2020 11:40:08 GMT
Decent enough. It was his third and fourth seasons that were dodgy. (Maybe we should have given DC thirty more years.) It's a completely baffling comparison, he'd managed 655 games before joining United anyway. Oh and won 12 trophies. Ben hasn't won an away game. I think people were just answering GGMI's question, which wasn't about first jobs, but bad starts at new clubs.
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Post by Hugh Jarsole on Jul 3, 2020 11:42:22 GMT
He's not even managed for half a season, bored of reading these posts, they're for the people who love to wallow in depression. Who knows, maybe he'll be the worst we've ever seen but at least give the guy a half season with the team he produces before we start slagging him off Im not sure I agree with that. I think he talks an outstanding game, but he has not proven one thing to me to suggest that he will do well here, or can make it as a manager. I bet he was so happy for lockdown (for his career that is) as otherwise his career as a football manager could be already over. But he has some how survived, and starts back up with us as if it's his first day in the job with a club on the up given the news from the past month and he can start again. He seems a nice bloke and I will give him the chance of a fresh start once we start the season, but let's not hide behind the fact that he has be awlful thus far. He looks like he will get time as wael loves him and with no crowds at the start of the season looking likely, no pressure from the fans for change if things don't go well. He could get the whole of next season even if our form continues on from since he took over Mate, if he turns out to be crap I will be on here complaining about him along with everyone else
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Post by Icegas on Jul 3, 2020 11:48:41 GMT
I may live to regret this but personally I think Garner is going to be a success.... I have nothing to base that on other than gut feel and the support that I read in the press from others at different clubs etc, but I just have the feeling.... He came in at a time with a team that had been well drilled to play a specific style of football that was effective but not pretty. It was completely different to how Garner wants to play. He didn’t have the players to play in the way he wanted and he had some that didn’t want to play in his new way - the result was the poor form we saw.... (Not forgetting the personal issues he was going through too at the time) He recruited in Jan with a view for this coming season and he’ll bolster that in this transfer window. He is supposedly a fantastic coach and the players he’s bought so far are in that ‘potential, talent, coachable’ space. The Jan players now have also now had 6 months to get used to the new surroundings and we have Hare returning which I think will make a difference. I do think he’ll buy a little bit of experience to balance things out but the core group will be similar to what we had when first in the conference - young, hungry, wanting to improve and with a point to prove. We may not see an amazing level of consistency initially but I do think he and the team will come good.... Building a decent training ground etc all points to putting the right foundations in place to support this... I really do think we’ll be a higher performing team this year with one eye on promotion maybe next year with a team capable of holding their own in the championship with a decent LG 1 season followed by a LG 1 promotion season and that experience behind them.. Personally I think we should cut him some slack, get behind him and support him and see how the season pans out.... I agree and hope your right. What he says and how he says he wants us to play is how I want my club to be and I will give him my full support, but he needs to hit the ground running and prove this. You talk about gut feelings...well I have it with him to.Not based on anything other than I really want it to work. I had it with DC in the Conference and with Trollope after we lost to Doncaster in Cardiff at the JPT final in 2007. Next season going one of two ways for us under BG... We will have an outstanding season and get promotion as it will all click, or we will finish rock bottom of the table... I can't see anything in the middle.😂
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Post by blueridge on Jul 3, 2020 11:48:44 GMT
Martin Dobson was totally useless as a Rovers manager sacked after 1 win in 12 - 8.3% win rate. BG talks the talk - now he has to deliver - his record to date is totally abysmal. Personally I'd give him another 12 games or so to deliver a reasonable return - maybe a 40% win rate.
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Post by alanrg on Jul 3, 2020 11:52:15 GMT
There r some right moaners on this forum get a life there r far important things going on at the moment
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 3, 2020 11:54:58 GMT
There r some right moaners on this forum get a life there r far important things going on at the moment This is a football forum. Nothing on here is important.
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Post by chewbacca on Jul 3, 2020 11:55:40 GMT
There r some right moaners on this forum get a life there r far important things going on at the moment Sorry, I thought this was a Rovers forum. I forgot I'm posting on covidchat.co.uk
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 3, 2020 11:56:05 GMT
Im not sure I agree with that. I think he talks an outstanding game, but he has not proven one thing to me to suggest that he will do well here, or can make it as a manager. I bet he was so happy for lockdown (for his career that is) as otherwise his career as a football manager could be already over. But he has some how survived, and starts back up with us as if it's his first day in the job with a club on the up given the news from the past month and he can start again. He seems a nice bloke and I will give him the chance of a fresh start once we start the season, but let's not hide behind the fact that he has be awlful thus far. He looks like he will get time as wael loves him and with no crowds at the start of the season looking likely, no pressure from the fans for change if things don't go well. He could get the whole of next season even if our form continues on from since he took over Mate, if he turns out to be crap I will be on here complaining about him along with everyone else How long will you accept him being crap before you decide he is crap?
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Post by chewbacca on Jul 3, 2020 12:07:41 GMT
It is quite interesting that there's two sides to this;
-People that look into the statistics and achievements from our rookie manager thus far and are somewhere between pensive and thinking he needs to go now.
-People that ignore everything and go on a hunch.
Britain 2020!
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jul 3, 2020 12:07:44 GMT
As others have said the break came at a good time for Garner, and I think the time lapsed since has fogged peoples memories of how bad we were playing under Garner...
But.....he took over from Coughlan and the two seem to have very different styles. Maybe he was the wrong guy to bring in mid season, but im willing to draw a line under it and see what he can do next season, whenever that is.
He cant afford a bad start though that's for sure.
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Post by Russgas on Jul 3, 2020 12:07:59 GMT
It will be great if he can turn this around, sometimes it just clicks,who knows ?
He deserves time to build his own team and tbh i cant disagree so far with the players he has got rid of.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Jul 3, 2020 12:09:11 GMT
I may live to regret this but personally I think Garner is going to be a success.... I have nothing to base that on other than gut feel and the support that I read in the press from others at different clubs etc, but I just have the feeling.... He came in at a time with a team that had been well drilled to play a specific style of football that was effective but not pretty. It was completely different to how Garner wants to play. He didn’t have the players to play in the way he wanted and he had some that didn’t want to play in his new way - the result was the poor form we saw.... (Not forgetting the personal issues he was going through too at the time) He recruited in Jan with a view for this coming season and he’ll bolster that in this transfer window. He is supposedly a fantastic coach and the players he’s bought so far are in that ‘potential, talent, coachable’ space. The Jan players now have also now had 6 months to get used to the new surroundings and we have Hare returning which I think will make a difference. I do think he’ll buy a little bit of experience to balance things out but the core group will be similar to what we had when first in the conference - young, hungry, wanting to improve and with a point to prove. We may not see an amazing level of consistency initially but I do think he and the team will come good.... Building a decent training ground etc all points to putting the right foundations in place to support this... I really do think we’ll be a higher performing team this year with one eye on promotion maybe next year with a team capable of holding their own in the championship with a decent LG 1 season followed by a LG 1 promotion season and that experience behind them.. Personally I think we should cut him some slack, get behind him and support him and see how the season pans out.... I know exactly what you mean, I'll admit after the Shrewsbury & Southend games that optimism had begun to fade but post Sunderland I thought it had started to come together. I'm still very much in the camp that he'll come good, that may turn out to be blind optimism but I'm prepared to give him a good part of the new season to prove he can cut it
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Post by badengas on Jul 3, 2020 12:12:25 GMT
Another genuine question...... would people rather be proved right and we struggle next season or see us do well and congratulate BG ?
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Post by chewbacca on Jul 3, 2020 12:15:30 GMT
Another genuine question...... would people rather be proved right and we struggle next season or see us do well and congratulate BG ? I'd rather congratulate him. No problem with being wrong, I've done the same with the move by WAQ this summer.
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