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Post by Gastafari on Jul 3, 2020 15:46:57 GMT
What's that old adage "You're only as good as your last game", well our last game was beating Sunderland 2-0. Those 3 points would have seen Sunderland in the current Play Offs wouldn't it? So maybe BG was starting to get it together, we could've gone on a run after that, or we could of carried on losing again. Who knows? I have been his biggest critic, but I think he deserves a chance to bring more of his own players in and at least 10-12 games next season whenever it starts.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Jul 3, 2020 15:48:47 GMT
I completely understand where people are coming from his record is woeful and we were absolutely abysmal in a number of games under him. However, I like the way he talks about the way he wants to play and the fact we for the first time in a long while actually look as though we have a long term plan for the club as a whole. I have no idea if BG can turn it round and be a success but personally I'd rather give him 5 or 10 games too many than sack him now and see him go somewhere else and do exactly what I hoped he'd do for us. He's a rookie manager and was always going to make mistakes, he now has the opportunity to show that he's learnt from that experience with the added bonus of having scope to bring in his own players.
As I've said before a lot of this might be termed 'blind optimism' - only time will tell
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 15:50:12 GMT
What would be an acceptable finish next season ? Stay up, mid table, just miss the play offs, promotion ? I want the latter but wouldn't sack BG if we sat mid table. Playoffs or promotion would be a dream but I think a season where we finish top half of league one but playing attractive football that helps bring the fans back (admittedly need results as well as style) and maybe a healthy cup run would be good...... all with a view on promotion the season after. As long as we win more than we lose, the style of football is more positive and improve on the position (and atmosphere) from this season just gone, that should be seen as a success... |
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Post by olskooltoteender on Jul 3, 2020 15:58:08 GMT
Your answer,support the Gas whoever’s manager if you are a true Gashead. This virus has stalled football for us lower leagues now let’s start afresh and hope we will all soon be on the terraces supporting BG and the lads.UTG Supporting Rovers doesnt always mean supporting the current manager. It could mean quite the opposite. Indeed - look at the Paul Buckle fiasco . . . |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 3, 2020 15:59:20 GMT
What's that old adage "You're only as good as your last game", well our last game was beating Sunderland 2-0. Those 3 points would have seen Sunderland in the current Play Offs wouldn't it? So maybe BG was starting to get it together, we could've gone on a run after that, or we could of carried on losing again. Who knows? I have been his biggest critic, but I think he deserves a chance to bring more of his own players in and at least 10-12 games next season whenever it starts. So you think BG turned it around from possibly our worse performance for years at Southend to beating Sunderland just4 days later, and it was nothing to do with the players wanting to put on a show for TC's 600th game? It's not like they had a special celebration lined up at the final minute, how stupid would they have looked if they'd put in another Southend type performance and then been booed off? BG totally lost the changing room when he probably made it clear TC, OS, THD, Nichols & Sercs had no futures at Rovers, his job now is getting in players to replace and also getting the ones still at the club to also play for him |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 3, 2020 17:07:01 GMT
Can you think of a manager that has come in to a team doing so well and then done so badly for a prolonged period of time when they have come in as manager, yet ended up being a success managing at that club? At least this break will give Garner a 2nd chance, or maybe 3rd chance depending on how you look at it! Darrell Clarke took us out of the football league in his first season and I seem to remember that he redeemed himself pretty well Completely different. DC took over a team that was failing and on the slide, had 8 games to keep us up. BG came in when we were flying high in 4th and managed to turn us into extremely strong relegation candidate form. I always backed DC too and never properly doubted him. |
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Post by wilmslowgas on Jul 3, 2020 18:06:56 GMT
Nobody can dispute that BG's record to date has been woeful. I don't know if he lost the dressing room - I wasn't in it. What is clear that the group of players he inherited both collectively and individually underperformed from the day he took over.
He can maintain that those players were unsuited to his style of football. He will not have that excuse next season because the players representing Rovers will be his team not somebody else's.
I sincerely hope he does well. If the players can reproduce his vision of attractive football we could all be in for an exciting season.
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Post by alanrg on Jul 3, 2020 18:11:24 GMT
More hearsay about losing the dressing room
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jul 3, 2020 18:14:17 GMT
What's that old adage "You're only as good as your last game", well our last game was beating Sunderland 2-0. Those 3 points would have seen Sunderland in the current Play Offs wouldn't it? So maybe BG was starting to get it together, we could've gone on a run after that, or we could of carried on losing again. Who knows? I have been his biggest critic, but I think he deserves a chance to bring more of his own players in and at least 10-12 games next season whenever it starts. Don't tell Liverpool that... |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 3, 2020 18:23:07 GMT
More hearsay about losing the dressing room I guess TC was lying when he said last last week that some players were set in their ways and wouldn't respond to BG's way of playing. |
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Post by pirate on Jul 3, 2020 18:26:53 GMT
More hearsay about losing the dressing room I guess TC was lying when he said last last week that some players were set in their ways and wouldn't respond to BG's way of playing. TC also said "He’s a very good coach and his training sessions were very good" so it will be interesting to see what happens next season when he gets the side he wants to put out. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 3, 2020 19:11:21 GMT
More hearsay about losing the dressing room Do u read posts? No 1 said he had lost the dressing room |
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 3, 2020 19:26:38 GMT
Can you think of a manager that has come in to a team doing so well and then done so badly for a prolonged period of time when they have come in as manager, yet ended up being a success managing at that club? At least this break will give Garner a 2nd chance, or maybe 3rd chance depending on how you look at it! No, in my opinion he's completely out of his depth and should have gone prior to lockdown. I find it odd that people are so passive towards how poorly he's done. -Rovers were fourth in League One when Garner was appointed on 35 points (23/12/2020), Rovers ended the season in fourteenth on 45 points. No EFL club slid more places in 2020. -In League games Rovers have averaged a goal scored every 160 minutes while conceding every 53 minutes. -Rovers are bottom of the League One form table since Garner's appointment on goal difference from Bolton. P16 W2 D5 L9 GF9 GA25 GD-16 Pts11 Relegated Southend managed 2 more points with one less game. -Rovers with 9 goals have the fewest goals scored by any Football League and Premier League team in their last 16 games (league games since Garner took over). Norwich - 10 Bournemouth - 11 Stevenage - 12 Macclesfield - 13 -Since Ben Garner took over as Bristol Rovers manager, Rovers have average 45.9% possession in the League. They have only had over 50% in 5 games out of 16. -Garner 12.5% has the second worst win percentage of any manager in Bristol Rovers history, only better than Martin Dobson 8.3%. -Garner 0.69 has the third worst PPG of any manager in Bristol Rovers history (based on 3 points for a win), only better than Martin Dobson 0.41 and Dave Penney 0.61. -Given a full season at his current rate Rovers would earn 31.6 points. That's enough to get us relegated as the bottom League One club every season bar 2000/01 Oxford United, 2004/05 and 2009/10 Stockport County. This would equate to the worst season since 1980/81 when Rovers were relegated from the 2nd tier with 23 points. -Ben Garner has never won an away match. -Rovers were in 2 cup competitions when Garner took over, 22 days later the club had been knocked out of both at the first hurdle. -Rovers were knocked out of the EFL Trophy by Stevenage who would later be relegated out of the Football League. That win was one of Stevenage's 6 in 45 games. -Garner's Rovers went 558 minutes without a goal, the second longest period in the clubs history and longest for 99 years. They came within 60 seconds of beating it. (Stolen from a little thread I'd made on twitter talking about how appalling he's been). Blimey that must have been depressing doing that research Chewy!! But well done, I think I’d have given up after the first three bits of data. In the end I guess we’ll support BRFC and that means supporting BG. If he does well in the first 5 games and keeps it up for the next 5 then I reckon most fans would have forgotten about the games since Christmas. If he starts badly then it will only end up one way. That will give Wael a decision to make. But Wael isn’t an owner who panics or doesn’t give his managers a chance. He kept DC a bit longer than some might have expected, indeed DC had to say some disrespectful things before it ended! He is loyal and with this coach and the new training ground it just matches what he said back in 2016. BG will still be here in November whatever but depending on the start January might be a different answer. I hope he does well. UTG! |
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Post by LJG on Jul 3, 2020 19:30:06 GMT
Mate, if he turns out to be crap I will be on here complaining about him along with everyone else How long will you accept him being crap before you decide he is crap? Three seasons. Ben Garner is our most naturally gifted manager. |
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Post by Gastafari on Jul 3, 2020 19:32:03 GMT
What's that old adage "You're only as good as your last game", well our last game was beating Sunderland 2-0. Those 3 points would have seen Sunderland in the current Play Offs wouldn't it? So maybe BG was starting to get it together, we could've gone on a run after that, or we could of carried on losing again. Who knows? I have been his biggest critic, but I think he deserves a chance to bring more of his own players in and at least 10-12 games next season whenever it starts. Don't tell Liverpool that... True. Think it was obvious that the whole squad had been on the water for a week though. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 19:35:25 GMT
More hearsay about losing the dressing room Do u read posts? No 1 said he had lost the dressing room Topper said he’d totally lost the changing room so I guess you are technically right there! |
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Post by youln on Jul 3, 2020 19:40:04 GMT
+100 We support Ben as we support Bristol Rovers. The beginning of next season will be crucial for him as he plans a new step forward, and we saw that Wael is somebody that values loyalty and its engagement. Toward managers and the club in general.
This is a true value to me, too. This is crucial also for letting a future emerge.
I am expecting a lot from our manager. And that's why i also give him some time to show and to get to where he could lead the team with a fresh start and with a real pre season preparation. Full support to the team and Beeno.
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Post by Gastafari on Jul 3, 2020 19:41:21 GMT
What's that old adage "You're only as good as your last game", well our last game was beating Sunderland 2-0. Those 3 points would have seen Sunderland in the current Play Offs wouldn't it? So maybe BG was starting to get it together, we could've gone on a run after that, or we could of carried on losing again. Who knows? I have been his biggest critic, but I think he deserves a chance to bring more of his own players in and at least 10-12 games next season whenever it starts. So you think BG turned it around from possibly our worse performance for years at Southend to beating Sunderland just4 days later, and it was nothing to do with the players wanting to put on a show for TC's 600th game? It's not like they had a special celebration lined up at the final minute, how stupid would they have looked if they'd put in another Southend type performance and then been booed off? BG totally lost the changing room when he probably made it clear TC, OS, THD, Nichols & Sercs had no futures at Rovers, his job now is getting in players to replace and also getting the ones still at the club to also play for him I didn't say I thought BG had turned it round. I said maybe he was starting too, who knows, because straight after that match the whole country went into Lockdown and League 1 has been scrapped. I have no idea whether BG "Lost the dressing room", I wasn't part of it. I suspect neither were you. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 3, 2020 19:43:04 GMT
Do u read posts? No 1 said he had lost the dressing room Topper said he’d totally lost the changing room so I guess you are technically right there! No he didnt. He said TC said some players didnt do their best for BG. |
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Post by Gastafari on Jul 3, 2020 19:45:43 GMT
Topper said he’d totally lost the changing room so I guess you are technically right there! No he didnt. He said TC said some players didnt do their best for BG. He did Hugo. In reply to my post he said "BG totally lost the changing room when he probably made it clear TC, OS, THD, Nichols & Sercs had no futures at Rovers". |
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