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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 6, 2020 15:07:00 GMT
GGMI patience lad. This is a ridiculous time to be having a thread like this and the only reason I can see for running it is to say II told you so if it doesnt go well. For god sake get a grip we havent even had one League game and I honestly think that people on here are worse than those over the river. I never thought I would say that but at the present time I honestly feel it is true. I sincerely hope this thread gets bumped and I look stupid. All evidence thus far proves that is very unlikely.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2020 15:09:14 GMT
He's putting together his own squad. A squad that has not yet played 90 minutes of league football, just one match in a cup we are historically useless in, and already there's a thread to debate how long we give BG. But as people pointed out yesterday- he’s not showing any signs of learning the fundamentals. Winning a game is about organising the players, managing a game is about his nous as a manager and it’s a recurrent theme that he doesn’t identify issues and rectify them soon enough, if at all. Like yesterday with Ipswich’s balls down the channel which brought them an outlet. Every game Since he’s been here our opponents find an edge and Garner doesn’t nip it in the bud. That’s the bigger issue than him having his own players and suggests that he’s not learning on the job.
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Post by pucklegas on Sept 6, 2020 15:10:49 GMT
Til xmas but he will sort it out
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Post by james246 on Sept 6, 2020 15:13:00 GMT
I think we should persevere with Ben for this season, but he needs to balance style with team effectiveness and also needs to read and adjust to what the opposition are doing. His post match comments made no sense and appeared not to recognise the ineffectiveness of the way the team was setup to play. Starting a game with no recognised striker hopefully will never happen again. Having only one striker available for selection hopefully will never happen again. I assume we are trying to sign Humphreys if he goes to Rochdale then perhaps McNulty, personally I think we should go for both and have four strikers at the club, with two always on the field
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 6, 2020 15:17:40 GMT
He's putting together his own squad. A squad that has not yet played 90 minutes of league football, just one match in a cup we are historically useless in, and already there's a thread to debate how long we give BG. Be nice if we could get to round 2 or 3 once in a while and have the chance of getting a plumb prem league tie though wouldn’t it.
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Post by Gastafari on Sept 6, 2020 15:20:01 GMT
It's a new change in philosophy and direction.
You can clearly see that in the players we have brought in, and the system and Football we are trying to play. BG has only had a short time, when you consider the season was cut short, and we haven't even played a league game this season yet.
Having a complete overhaul like this, is going to take time. I hope we stick with it, with no knee jerk reactions.
It seems to be a never ending cycle of doom, it's vitriol against the manager whether we win or lose. Football has a nasty habit of proving the "Be careful what you wish for" quote to be accurate.
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 6, 2020 15:24:36 GMT
It's a new change in philosophy and direction. You can clearly see that in the players we have brought in, and the system and Football we are trying to play. BG has only had a short time, when you consider the season was cut short, and we haven't even played a league game this season yet. Having a complete overhaul like this, is going to take time. I hope we stick with it, with no knee jerk reactions. It seems to be a never ending cycle of doom, it's vitriol against the manager whether we win or lose. Football has a nasty habit of proving the "Be careful what you wish for" quote to be accurate. I’m usually in support of the manager regardless but even without his own players he should have done a whole lot better that 17 games and 2 wins. We can’t just ignore that fact because it’s a new season and he’s signed 7 or 8 of his own players. If he had won 5 or 6 of those games and drew a couple more then it wouldn’t even be a question we keep BG until Xmas if we are having this conversation at all. Basically, Ben needs to stop talking a good game and start winning some.
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Post by daniel300380 on Sept 6, 2020 15:26:13 GMT
BG has had about 20 games now with a win rate of approx 10%. How long do we give the bloke? I have seen quite a few people say 10 games, but what if it is just bad or worse over those 10 games? I don't think he should just be given 10 games as a token gesture or to give him a fair chance. I believe he has had more than a fair chance already and is skating on extremely thin ice. There is no real promise of improvement during his time here. Yes, there are little spells here and there that are positive but they are very few and far between. To add insult to injury, he is also talking rubbish and making excuses. The bloke really is up against it and it is looking more and more tough for him to turn this round. He looks so far out of his depth, his record is appalling with us, he is zero charisma. His lack of experience managing professional footballers means he probably struggles to get respect of the players/fans. He's been backed by Wael so no excuses. Bet DC is licking his lips for Tues night. I would say 8 games and go from there. Obviously if we lose the first 4 or 5 in a row without scoring, things could change, so it's hard to say. But 8-10 games is normally a good indicator to see if they are starting to do the things the manager wants.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Sept 6, 2020 15:28:54 GMT
Well that didn't take long did it? disappointing thread at this stage IMHO.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2020 15:31:18 GMT
BG has had about 20 games now with a win rate of approx 10%. How long do we give the bloke? I have seen quite a few people say 10 games, but what if it is just bad or worse over those 10 games? I don't think he should just be given 10 games as a token gesture or to give him a fair chance. I believe he has had more than a fair chance already and is skating on extremely thin ice. There is no real promise of improvement during his time here. Yes, there are little spells here and there that are positive but they are very few and far between. To add insult to injury, he is also talking rubbish and making excuses. The bloke really is up against it and it is looking more and more tough for him to turn this round. He looks so far out of his depth, his record is appalling with us, he is zero charisma. His lack of experience managing professional footballers means he probably struggles to get respect of the players/fans. He's been backed by Wael so no excuses. Bet DC is licking his lips for Tues night. How long have we had to put up with you and you had to mention DC. Give the man a chance ffs Ggmi new signings etc etc
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Post by Gastafari on Sept 6, 2020 15:32:55 GMT
It's a new change in philosophy and direction. You can clearly see that in the players we have brought in, and the system and Football we are trying to play. BG has only had a short time, when you consider the season was cut short, and we haven't even played a league game this season yet. Having a complete overhaul like this, is going to take time. I hope we stick with it, with no knee jerk reactions. It seems to be a never ending cycle of doom, it's vitriol against the manager whether we win or lose. Football has a nasty habit of proving the "Be careful what you wish for" quote to be accurate. I’m usually in support of the manager regardless but even without his own players he should have done a whole lot better that 17 games and 2 wins. We can’t just ignore that fact because it’s a new season and he’s signed 7 or 8 of his own players. If he had won 5 or 6 of those games and drew a couple more then it wouldn’t even be a question we keep BG until Xmas if we are having this conversation at all. Basically, Ben needs to stop talking a good game and start winning some. DC lost 9 of his first 11 games, including losing to Altringham and Braintree in the first few games of the season in The Conference. The vitriol towards him back then was poisonous, far worse than it is now. He was given time to turn it around and the rest is history. GC was getting pelters as well last season, even though we were winning games. Gasheads are just as fickle, if not more so than other clubs fans. So much for "Faithful & True".
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 6, 2020 15:33:03 GMT
All I will say is I am usually very supportive of our managers on here.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 6, 2020 15:34:41 GMT
I’m usually in support of the manager regardless but even without his own players he should have done a whole lot better that 17 games and 2 wins. We can’t just ignore that fact because it’s a new season and he’s signed 7 or 8 of his own players. If he had won 5 or 6 of those games and drew a couple more then it wouldn’t even be a question we keep BG until Xmas if we are having this conversation at all. Basically, Ben needs to stop talking a good game and start winning some. DC lost 9 of his first 11 games, including losing to Altringham and Braintree in the first 3 games of the season in The Conference. The vitriol towards him back then was poisonous, far worse than it is now. He was given time to turn it around and the rest is history. GC was getting pelters as well last season, even though we were winning games. Gasheads are just as fickle, if not more so than other clubs fans. So much for "Faithful & True". Seeing as I am the OP I will respond to this one. I never went against DC or GC. So please show me a little more respect than just putting me into the "fickle" category.
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Post by kampucheagas on Sept 6, 2020 15:40:39 GMT
I think generally as a fan base we are pretty patient and prepared to give both managers and players a fair chance.
I don’t think he’s doing himself any favours with his interviews
Just own up and tell us as it is. We were poor. That’s ok sometimes
What worries me most is his inability to shuffle things around during a game. Sometimes you need to have a plan B or even C but he seems stubborn and un-willing to move away from his chosen formation.
Like all of us I want him to succeed because if he does my team is winning and that’s all that matters. Let’s hope we get that striker soon. It could be the difference between him being here for the season or not much past Xmas.
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Post by seanclevedongas on Sept 6, 2020 15:42:28 GMT
Til xmas but he will sort it out No evidence so far that he will?
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Post by Gastafari on Sept 6, 2020 15:42:34 GMT
DC lost 9 of his first 11 games, including losing to Altringham and Braintree in the first 3 games of the season in The Conference. The vitriol towards him back then was poisonous, far worse than it is now. He was given time to turn it around and the rest is history. GC was getting pelters as well last season, even though we were winning games. Gasheads are just as fickle, if not more so than other clubs fans. So much for "Faithful & True". Seeing as I am the OP I will respond to this one. I never went against DC or GC. So please show me a little more respect than just putting me into the "fickle" category. You've just started this thread titled "How Long Do We Give BG" before a single league game has kicked off this season. Last season I was quite critical of BG, for the simple fact that we went from winning games to not winning games at the drop of a hat. However I have seen signs, and because of the players we've brought in, what he and the club are trying to do. I am therefor prepared to give him the time to implement it properly. Not start threads like this because of a defeat in the 1st round of the Carabao Cup.
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Post by pucklegas on Sept 6, 2020 15:56:57 GMT
Til xmas but he will sort it out No evidence so far that he will? Thought we looked like Real Madrid against cardiff according to most ?
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Post by ilysagas on Sept 6, 2020 16:11:49 GMT
I'm going to say let's give him 46 league games.
Weird eh!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2020 16:21:36 GMT
In terms of summer signing most seemed to think BG did a good job. The squad is short of goals and we will see what BG can bring in to the club in terms of the one or two additions he talks about.
It's a difficult start to the season in terms of fixtures but if we don't have at least 2 or 3 wins and some decent performances under our belts by end of October then I would be very worried and sadly it might be time for a rethink.
Changing manager would mean the dream of signing and developing young players would be over and that would be sad. It was a dream I wanted to work and still hope it does but I'm not optimistic it will.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 6, 2020 16:36:17 GMT
Omg. I have to agree with some of the o p..
Since early August, probably a few minutes before anyone here (unless you work for the club), BG and his management team have had time to prepare for this fixture.
I saw nothing yesterday (save a few individual sparks of brilliance) to make me think anything has fundamentally changed since Southend away.
If you were there, you may empathise.
To answer the question in the title:
I would not give another same amount of matches than what BG has already had. I personally wouldn't allow him to pick the team v Sunderland, I would remove him from his position and recruit a manager familiar with this divisional experience.
Coach, maybe. Manager, not.
I'm off for a bath as agreeing with op making me itch!
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