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Post by oliverhelmet on Sept 6, 2020 16:44:02 GMT
Let’s give him at least a week at the colony. That seems fair.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 6, 2020 16:46:35 GMT
Why would the dream by over, surely, someone like Holloway can develop youngsters just as well as BG?
Under GC Kilgour and Mayonnaise were outstanding, after yesterday's game I'm not sure certain I'd pick AK at Sunderland and Mayo had been sold.
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Post by daniel300380 on Sept 6, 2020 16:49:32 GMT
Why would the dream by over, surely, someone like Holloway can develop youngsters just as well as BG? Under GC Kilgour and Mayonnaise were outstanding, after yesterday's game I'm not sure certain I'd pick AK at Sunderland and Mayo had been sold. [b Don't get people saying Rollin was outstanding under GC. He hardly ever played him. He started a couple of games last season, when Davies was injured. Kilgour was good last season. He does not look comfortable on the left side of a three though. I would have put Elmer in the middle, Kilgour on the right and either Harris or Baldwin on the left.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2020 16:50:50 GMT
10 games is always the marker for me
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Post by Hudson1883 on Sept 6, 2020 17:12:39 GMT
This is a clean slate season. It’s BG’s own squad after a full summer in order to work. Last season is irrelevant. One below par performance against a top side in our division so far, in the league cup. This thread is beyond pathetic.
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Post by alanrg on Sept 6, 2020 17:18:17 GMT
This thread is pathetic end of
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Post by casey12a on Sept 6, 2020 17:20:23 GMT
Yes if he had just come in then of course give him some time but we can’t just ignore the horrendous results from last season. A good manager uses what he’s got to get the best results, just to say they don’t fit his way of playing is weak. Will his way of playing ever suit league 1 or our budget? Do we just accept terrible results to fit a vanity project?
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Post by yaz on Sept 6, 2020 17:20:41 GMT
This is a clean slate season. It’s BG’s own squad after a full summer in order to work. Last season is irrelevant. One below par performance against a top side in our division so far, in the league cup. This thread is beyond pathetic. Yes - it is only one game but a near enough first 11. The most disappointing aspect was how easily we were taken apart. Can you remember many crosses from us apart from a few set pieces? Hare and Leahy under GC only had one thing on their mind when they had the ball; go down the side and cross the ball! And they can both deliver! Watching the game yesterday was like watching most games under BG last season after GC left. i don't think you can blame the players if they are playing as the manager wants; we looked out of our depth in most areas and for just about the whole game. Lets see what the next few games bring. The Walsall game does not really count?
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Sept 6, 2020 17:36:15 GMT
I’m hoping he’ll emulate the Brentford manager who turned an atrocious start into their most outstanding league campaign in living memory.
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Post by yetigas on Sept 6, 2020 17:40:00 GMT
The really sad thing is that some on here seem to want BG to fail. There seems to be a nostalgia for the football under GC which is hilarious given how many people on here said they would stop attending matches until he was replaced. DC was seen as a hero/legend/'one of us' because he got two promotions - but he started poorly and was found out in League 1. I would gently suggest that BG is going nowhere and that we should all be patient and support him as the new signings settle in. Threads like this after one match say more about the fans than the manager!
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Post by singupgas on Sept 6, 2020 18:20:27 GMT
Embarrassing thread I am afraid.
We have played 1 game fielding what i don't think was our strongest 11.
Get a solid goalscorer in through the door this week and i think we have good squad - a striker is a MUST though.
BG will be shooting himself in the foot of there is not an out and out goal scorer in the squad.
But heck, give the bloke a chance, signed some good player on paper and sure it will come together.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2020 18:22:09 GMT
The really sad thing is that some on here seem to want BG to fail. There seems to be a nostalgia for the football under GC which is hilarious given how many people on here said they would stop attending matches until he was replaced. DC was seen as a hero/legend/'one of us' because he got two promotions - but he started poorly and was found out in League 1. I would gently suggest that BG is going nowhere and that we should all be patient and support him as the new signings settle in. Threads like this after one match say more about the fans than the manager! Again though it’s not really one game. That would have been after Wimbledon which would have been ridiculous. The one fact no-one can dress up is BG’s win ratio, which after 20 games is a decent-ish number of games in order to get an idea of his managerial competency right now. His win ratio stands on it’s own and speaks for itself. To win over the doubters he has to improve it, when he will improve it God only knows.
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Post by lpgas1 on Sept 6, 2020 18:53:21 GMT
The really sad thing is that some on here seem to want BG to fail. There seems to be a nostalgia for the football under GC which is hilarious given how many people on here said they would stop attending matches until he was replaced. DC was seen as a hero/legend/'one of us' because he got two promotions - but he started poorly and was found out in League 1. I would gently suggest that BG is going nowhere and that we should all be patient and support him as the new signings settle in. Threads like this after one match say more about the fans than the manager! Its not nostalgia, its a fact that Garner took a team from 3rd (having just won at Ipswich) to 14th. Every excuse given on on his behalf (not his team, needs better players etc) but the truth was had the season gone on to the end we could have been in trouble. Now, he has got rid of most of GC's team, and has brought in his "own " players there is no excuse, none, zero, zilch. Especially as they have had more time with these players than other teams have had with theirs (He got them early). Now what is the difference. GC knows Div One like the back of his hand. BG does not. GC played with the players he had and 2 very good signings. BG has made lots of signings since January, and on paper some are very good players, though not all. The Ipswich game was a good pointer. Yes we had no recognised experienced stiker, but the defence and the midfield were not very good either and with 2 exceptions they were all Garners signings. And during the game, although he made some substitutes he never changed tactics. This is a stark contrast to previous managers, DC would change within minutes and GC at half time (I remember the Southend Game on my birthday) and to be honest I think most managers at this level would. I feel that in his past BG has been closeted away from criticism, never being a manager, but now he is themanager, and if he doesnt get us in to the top half of the table he will get criticised. Lets face it, so far its been crap, and we have seen far too much crap over the years
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Post by Gashead73 on Sept 6, 2020 18:59:24 GMT
I'd give him time as it stands but if no improvement by early November then yes, he would have to go. But first, let's see how the next two months pan out first. Let's not be hasty yet' but let's not leave it too late either.
The jury is still out on BG regardless
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 6, 2020 19:21:37 GMT
Seeing as I am the OP I will respond to this one. I never went against DC or GC. So please show me a little more respect than just putting me into the "fickle" category. You've just started this thread titled "How Long Do We Give BG" before a single league game has kicked off this season. Last season I was quite critical of BG, for the simple fact that we went from winning games to not winning games at the drop of a hat. However I have seen signs, and because of the players we've brought in, what he and the club are trying to do. I am therefor prepared to give him the time to implement it properly. Not start threads like this because of a defeat in the 1st round of the Carabao Cup. Getting tired of saying it...it's not about one Carabao Cup game.
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Post by olskooltoteender on Sept 6, 2020 19:22:39 GMT
It's a new change in philosophy and direction. You can clearly see that in the players we have brought in, and the system and Football we are trying to play. BG has only had a short time, when you consider the season was cut short, and we haven't even played a league game this season yet. Having a complete overhaul like this, is going to take time. I hope we stick with it, with no knee jerk reactions. It seems to be a never ending cycle of doom, it's vitriol against the manager whether we win or lose. Football has a nasty habit of proving the "Be careful what you wish for" quote to be accurate. I’m usually in support of the manager regardless but even without his own players he should have done a whole lot better that 17 games and 2 wins. We can’t just ignore that fact because it’s a new season and he’s signed 7 or 8 of his own players. If he had won 5 or 6 of those games and drew a couple more then it wouldn’t even be a question we keep BG until Xmas if we are having this conversation at all. Basically, Ben needs to stop talking a good game and start winning some. Good post - I am not a “happy-clapper” or a “blue-tinter”, but neither am I a “(insert manager’s name here) Out!” kind of chap, but whichever way you spin it, the fact remains that Garner took over a team sitting 4th in the league, promised not to change anything, promptly tried to change everything, and oversaw the ensuing nose-dive to the nether reaches of League 1. It’s not just a case of giving him a few games to get everything settled, is it? He’s had 20 games already and I don’t see any improvement on what happened before lockdown to be honest. Some of the sideways passing is a bit prettier, sure, but what else is there? And as for the “well it’s only the Carabao Cup, it doesn’t mean anything . . .” trip, we have to play Ipshit twice more in the League yet, so there’s already 6 points we probably aren’t gonna get . . . This is not the usual pre-season jitters you get with a new manager and/or team, he has a proven record - of failure. Thats why people are reacting the way they are . . .
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Post by olskooltoteender on Sept 6, 2020 19:31:28 GMT
The really sad thing is that some on here seem to want BG to fail. There seems to be a nostalgia for the football under GC which is hilarious given how many people on here said they would stop attending matches until he was replaced. DC was seen as a hero/legend/'one of us' because he got two promotions - but he started poorly and was found out in League 1. I would gently suggest that BG is going nowhere and that we should all be patient and support him as the new signings settle in. Threads like this after one match say more about the fans than the manager! I don’t think anyone wants Garner to fail, as they would mean our team is failing; but people are quite rightly concerned because of what‘S happened since he took over.
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Post by wsmjohn on Sept 6, 2020 19:36:07 GMT
Plan A, does not work so try plan B but he has no plan B in a game or C!. Managing a team is totally different to the training ground. You have to have a different mentality. We have no fighters in midfield, he needs a ball winner (Agogo!). I am sorry and I hope I am wrong but we are not a computer game and I feel this is going to end the same as Buckle!
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Post by stevek192 on Sept 6, 2020 19:43:17 GMT
Garner has made some really good signings and it is totally unfair to rate them after one game..pathetic in fact. They dont suddenly become poor players I disagree that we were outclassed all over thhe pitch.We had lots of possession and did create four very good chances to score. The second goal which really killed the game off with its timimg should have been disallowed for a foul and Sam Nicholson should have equalised which would have completely changed the game. Ipswich did not really creare that much and the goals were given to them..worrying but not the end of the world.These players will come good and if we can get two attackers in I am very hopeful it will be a good season.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 6, 2020 19:46:12 GMT
Garner has made some really good signings and it is totally unfair to rate them after one game..pathetic in fact. They dont suddenly become poor players I disagree that we were outclassed all over thhe pitch.We had lots of possession and did create four very good chances to score. The second goal which really killed the game off with its timimg should have been disallowed for a foul and Sam Nicholson should have equalised which would have completely changed the game. Ipswich did not really creare that much and the goals were given to them..worrying but not the end of the world.These players will come good and if we can get two attackers in I am very hopeful it will be a good season. I think we've made some OK signings but how much of an input did Garner even have on thta part of it? They've still got a lot to prove by the way. Westbrooke looks a class above though I think. The signings aren't the problem anyway. That performance was very similar to the performances under BG last season. Same result too. I would love to see the 4 or 5 chances we had by the way.
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