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Post by neilv93 on Sept 26, 2020 18:20:10 GMT
I'd give him to the end of October. Seven games with only 2 against teams that have started well. Five against mostly lower teams. Not unreasonable to expect 3 Wins, 2 Draws, 2 Losses. That would give us W3, D3, L4 from our first 10 games and for me he then stays. Anything less and he needs to go. Yep, I agree. Whilst the signs are currently ominous, we've gone through our entire rebuild this summer and lost the best striker in L1. Four games is not enough time for them to gel IMO but there has to be immediate improvement and wins on the board.
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Post by kampucheagas on Sept 26, 2020 18:22:05 GMT
I'd give him to the end of October. Seven games with only 2 against teams that have started well. Five against mostly lower teams. Not unreasonable to expect 3 Wins, 2 Draws, 2 Losses. That would give us W3, D3, L4 from our first 10 games and for me he then stays. Anything less and he needs to go. Yep, I agree. Whilst the signs are currently ominous, we've gone through our entire rebuild this summer and lost the best striker in L1. Four games is not enough time for them to gel IMO but there has to be immediate improvement and wins on the board. 3 wins and a draw from the next 4 games? If he achieves that we will be offering him a 5 year contract......
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Post by neilv93 on Sept 26, 2020 18:25:18 GMT
I'd give him until end of October. Results and performances have been nothing short of terrible since BG came in BUT there's been a lot of upheaval in playing personnel this summer and that, like it or not, does require patience. Additionally, we can all acknowledge that the opposition we've had to face in the opening games to date are better and we wouldn't have expected us to get much from those games (expected better performances though). Northampton (H), Lincoln (A), Burton (H), Shrewsbury (A) and Accrington (A) in the next five in the league - I'd say we need AT LEAST 9pts from that and an improvement in performance to justify continuing with this project. Hull (H) and Rochdale (A) to finish October off. After that we have Peterborough, Fleetwood, Swindon, Wigan and Gillingham so another tough run which we need some momentum going into. I'm very worried about the signs right now and any semblance of personal optimism I had from pre-season is quickly draining. One thing is for certain to me, though: if BG is staying, we NEED a proper Coughlan-esque defensive coach in the door ASAP. Whilst your loyalty is admirable, we are going to be cut adrift before long. He’s not turning it around. Sack him now and we can still keep our place in league one. Keep him on and it’s just going to get even more difficult when the inevitable happens and the new manager comes in. I definitely take your point about the longer we wait, the further cut adrift we could be and it worries me too. But we've had a rebuild this summer, lots of ins and outs (most notably our talisman) and there has to be some cut-off in expectations IMO. Tough game opening games and lack of team cohesion means I wasn't expecting us to be in the top six yet. That said, the performances are poor. Hence end of October.
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Post by landrover on Sept 26, 2020 19:12:39 GMT
In league history surely? How can you get worse than two sodding wins? Even a fan could do better than that! Experienced managers usually go back to basics in these situations and it normally picks up , if the manager still has the players backing. 4-4-2 keep it simple pick up some points ffs. The players we have suit a back four with wingers and 2 up front more than they suit 3 at the back formations and they also suit a more direct approach than a slow paced build up with zero tempo relying on the players to play short accurate passes in their own half under pressure. Westbrooke aside I don’t think any of them are capable of that, and to be honest i find him similar to bennet in that he slows it down and plays a 5 yard pass to the nearest teammate. His free kicks are good but what we need is someone who’s going to put a through ball in not pass it sideways 5 yards, he might be that player if we played with tempo and went for the jugular like all good league 1 sides seem to and Doncaster today did but we appear to play with the tempo of Man City when they’re passing a side to death in a 4-0 win over someone like Burnley. Problem is we’ve got very few good footballers , we’re not one of the best teams in our league and That kind of football just isn’t going to get results for a team like us in this division. I realise Garner has no league 1 experience but I would have thought he’d have watched plenty from last season and others to get to grips but he’s got all the signs of a manager who doesn’t understand league 1 teams, refs, managers and tactics. Completely lost is what he looks. it’s what Coughlan did immediately, go back to basics. Whilst Leahy was undoubtedly shoved by their centre back Anderson, why was he marking him? It’s little and large. Harries is inside of Leahy and marking no one. Why didn’t he swap with Leahy? He would have been a more even match up. This is basic defending surely.
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Post by TAGas on Sept 26, 2020 19:18:30 GMT
Do managers ever get sacked on a Sunday?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2020 19:46:10 GMT
In league history surely? How can you get worse than two sodding wins? Even a fan could do better than that! Experienced managers usually go back to basics in these situations and it normally picks up , if the manager still has the players backing. 4-4-2 keep it simple pick up some points ffs. The players we have suit a back four with wingers and 2 up front more than they suit 3 at the back formations and they also suit a more direct approach than a slow paced build up with zero tempo relying on the players to play short accurate passes in their own half under pressure. Westbrooke aside I don’t think any of them are capable of that, and to be honest i find him similar to bennet in that he slows it down and plays a 5 yard pass to the nearest teammate. His free kicks are good but what we need is someone who’s going to put a through ball in not pass it sideways 5 yards, he might be that player if we played with tempo and went for the jugular like all good league 1 sides seem to and Doncaster today did but we appear to play with the tempo of Man City when they’re passing a side to death in a 4-0 win over someone like Burnley. Problem is we’ve got very few good footballers , we’re not one of the best teams in our league and That kind of football just isn’t going to get results for a team like us in this division. I realise Garner has no league 1 experience but I would have thought he’d have watched plenty from last season and others to get to grips but he’s got all the signs of a manager who doesn’t understand league 1 teams, refs, managers and tactics. Completely lost is what he looks. I need no excuse to put the boot in with regard to fans losing their sh** over signing average players, but Westbrooke gives me pause. I mean unlike Ehmer and his ilk Westbrooke has a pedigree of sorts. He must be decent to have played a part in a promotion winning Coventry side who also stood out for their football so I’d hope that the comparison to Bennett proves to be a product of Garner’s ability to make us look desperate.
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Post by heartofgas on Sept 26, 2020 19:47:07 GMT
I know he didn’t have his players last year but I just don’t see how he’s going to turn it round. He hasn’t won a cup game an his league record is
P——W—-D—-L—-F—-A—-Pt—-win % 18—-2——5—-11—11—30—11—-11
So we’re currently on course for 28 points this season.
For me no excuses now. He had the summer to work on his team and it seems nothing has changed. All games are going to be tough in this league and it should make no difference if it’s Ipswich or Accrington.
I can’t imagine he would have been given this much time at any other club. Nothing personal against Garner, and he seems a decent chap, but he needs to be honest with himself that he isn’t up to the job.
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Post by socrates on Sept 26, 2020 20:03:52 GMT
Experienced managers usually go back to basics in these situations and it normally picks up , if the manager still has the players backing. 4-4-2 keep it simple pick up some points ffs. The players we have suit a back four with wingers and 2 up front more than they suit 3 at the back formations and they also suit a more direct approach than a slow paced build up with zero tempo relying on the players to play short accurate passes in their own half under pressure. Westbrooke aside I don’t think any of them are capable of that, and to be honest i find him similar to bennet in that he slows it down and plays a 5 yard pass to the nearest teammate. His free kicks are good but what we need is someone who’s going to put a through ball in not pass it sideways 5 yards, he might be that player if we played with tempo and went for the jugular like all good league 1 sides seem to and Doncaster today did but we appear to play with the tempo of Man City when they’re passing a side to death in a 4-0 win over someone like Burnley. Problem is we’ve got very few good footballers , we’re not one of the best teams in our league and That kind of football just isn’t going to get results for a team like us in this division. I realise Garner has no league 1 experience but I would have thought he’d have watched plenty from last season and others to get to grips but he’s got all the signs of a manager who doesn’t understand league 1 teams, refs, managers and tactics. Completely lost is what he looks. I need no excuse to put the boot in with regard to fans losing their sh** over signing average players, but Westbrooke gives me pause. I mean unlike Ehmer and his ilk Westbrooke has a pedigree of sorts. He must be decent to have played a part in a promotion winning Coventry side who also stood out for their football so I’d hope that the comparison to Bennett proves to be a product of Garner’s ability to make us look desperate. To be fair I said in my post that he could be the man to play a through ball in a side with more tempo but so far this season he pretty much plays the safe pass everytime. I think that’s fair.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2020 21:41:27 GMT
He has had enough time. We have a team that needs to gel, we have young players who need to learn and a manage who needs to learn how to manage. i love Bristol Rovers and i wanted this to work so much and i still think it's the way to go,BUT with a manager who knows what he's doing. I just do not believe our rookie manager is up to the challenge.
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Post by GasAttacK on Sept 26, 2020 21:47:14 GMT
Today was the final straw for me. I would part ways now and try to get Clough or Flynn on Monday. It would give the new man a week to maybe get a couple of signings in before the deadline.
Can't see it happening though. I think BG will get at least one more game to save his job. Northampton are another team likely facing a battle to stay up, lose to them at home and surely it's curtains for Garner. Unfortuantely it would then be too late to get a new man in before the transfer window shuts which is why I'd get rid now.
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Sept 26, 2020 21:49:34 GMT
Wonder where Wimborne gas is? Here, why? Never said I was a fan, just that Wael won't get rid just yet after backing him in the transfer window. He's the only one that can make that decision, regardless of what you, I, or anyone else thinks. The way things are going though, a few more heavy defeats and and he might be gone before the '10 games'.
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Post by 84gas on Sept 26, 2020 21:52:42 GMT
I still think he will get until Xmas
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2020 22:06:35 GMT
I still think he will get until Xmas The trees will still have leaves when he's gone. Fingers crossed.
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Post by biggles on Sept 26, 2020 22:07:52 GMT
i wonder if bg reads any of this,if he does he must realise that the majority of fans think he is not doing a reasonable job. its his team that he has cobbled together,no good blaming the ref,although thats what most of us do! my veiw is that there has to be a blend of experience in the team, but first and formost the defence must be uppermost on any agenda. i have not seen the goals against but going by radio bristol we were a shambles. i think he has to be given time,at least a dozen games. then everything should be assesed in a calm calculated way. lets not lose our heads just because everything isnt going our way,we are bristol rovers and proud to be gas heads so dont forget it. give the guy time to sort it out.
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Post by socrates on Sept 26, 2020 22:26:39 GMT
i wonder if bg reads any of this,if he does he must realise that the majority of fans think he is not doing a reasonable job. its his team that he has cobbled together,no good blaming the ref,although thats what most of us do! my veiw is that there has to be a blend of experience in the team, but first and formost the defence must be uppermost on any agenda. i have not seen the goals against but going by radio bristol we were a shambles. i think he has to be given time,at least a dozen games. then everything should be assesed in a calm calculated way. lets not lose our heads just because everything isnt going our way,we are bristol rovers and proud to be gas heads so dont forget it. give the guy time to sort it out. Hand on heart how likely do you think that given time Garner will get this squad to click pull us away from the drop zone and get us on track ? 100% ? 50% ? I’m Not saying he won’t, I really hope he does but hand on heart I reckon about 90% relegated 10% bottom half - mid table. I wish I could see a few little signs of progression but I just don’t see any.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2020 22:31:30 GMT
i wonder if bg reads any of this,if he does he must realise that the majority of fans think he is not doing a reasonable job. its his team that he has cobbled together,no good blaming the ref,although thats what most of us do! my veiw is that there has to be a blend of experience in the team, but first and formost the defence must be uppermost on any agenda. i have not seen the goals against but going by radio bristol we were a shambles. i think he has to be given time,at least a dozen games. then everything should be assesed in a calm calculated way. lets not lose our heads just because everything isnt going our way,we are bristol rovers and proud to be gas heads so dont forget it. give the guy time to sort it out. But we are making the same mistakes as last season, he is making players like Kilgore who has played left side of a back three, right side of a back three and bloody rightback today and JML, who did well playing wide look poor, we are not making partnerships any where on the pitch since he's been here. Centreback partnerships, midfield, up front,wingbacks with the wide player from the front three and worst of all up front where we have been embarrassing. Watch our defending at MK Dons last season or Southend away and it's da jar vue. Hope that makes sense as i've had a few. UTG
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Post by horfield on Sept 26, 2020 22:39:16 GMT
Win ratio for Garner is 8.6% now he is closing on Jim Fallon's Dumbarton record of the worst ever UK managerial record since the war. Watched the post match interview, was it a flasher on his left in the interview that he kept looking at and distracted him from the questions being asked. Blaming the officials after a 4-1 defeat is deluded, fine margin if its a 1-0 defeat possibly yes. I'm disappointed that in his interview that he didn't feel there were any positives today or that the team didn't take the hand brake off after 70 minutes. We are in the dungeon now and many feel that October we will be playing teams that we should automatically win against, Northampton next Saturday at home is the acid test. At the moment Wael controls Garner and the invisible man Mesure, can he afford to pay them off, a new manager surely will not put up with such off field interference from an owner, if we appoint a new guy the first thing he will say will be it will be a miracle to keep us up. As for Garner, I can't see a women's team taking him as their next manager, Dan Miccichie who MK Dons tried as manager under the same experiment as Wael has tried with and he was the England Under 16 manager before taking on MK Dons a bigger job than Garner ever achieved at his so called exulted Premier league positions is now in charge of the Arsenal under 15 side. Garner has perfected the art of deflecting responsibility away from himself and placing the blame at the feet of anybody but himself, a total fraud and if he remains in charge, hello Stevenage, Morecambe Barrow and Harrogate. Will Garner ever take a training session at the new training ground ?
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Post by biggles on Sept 26, 2020 22:41:24 GMT
i agree with all the comments,but i think we have to go through this phase until the right blend is found its still early days,so give the backroom staff a chance to sort things out
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Post by Icegas on Sept 27, 2020 5:29:11 GMT
I'd give him to the end of October. Seven games with only 2 against teams that have started well. Five against mostly lower teams. Not unreasonable to expect 3 Wins, 2 Draws, 2 Losses. That would give us W3, D3, L4 from our first 10 games and for me he then stays. Anything less and he needs to go. Yep, I agree. Whilst the signs are currently ominous, we've gone through our entire rebuild this summer and lost the best striker in L1. Four games is not enough time for them to gel IMO but there has to be immediate improvement and wins on the board. See I'm not one to calling for a man's job, but anyone that is still in the BG has to stay camp is mad. I'm sure he is a nice fella and I wish him all the best in his future but he has not work out here and I can't connect with him as a person ( His interview yesterday was a disgrace and embarrassing ) and I have never wanted a manager gone more than him.First time I have ever called for one to go. This is a guy with NO PROVEN record of being a manager before us and his record with us is the worst in our history. If there were any signs of us improving I would say give him alittle more time, but we are shocking and he is not improving us and he has taken us from 4th in L1 to bottom of L1 in his 20 plus games here. I would give him one more game to be fair,and then unless we win that and follow that up with 3/4 more wins over the next 6/7 games after that he has to go.But I can't see how that would happen. If BG stats here for the season we will finish rock bottom of the league.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 27, 2020 6:28:18 GMT
i wonder if bg reads any of this,if he does he must realise that the majority of fans think he is not doing a reasonable job. its his team that he has cobbled together,no good blaming the ref,although thats what most of us do! my veiw is that there has to be a blend of experience in the team, but first and formost the defence must be uppermost on any agenda. i have not seen the goals against but going by radio bristol we were a shambles. i think he has to be given time,at least a dozen games. then everything should be assesed in a calm calculated way. lets not lose our heads just because everything isnt going our way,we are bristol rovers and proud to be gas heads so dont forget it. give the guy time to sort it out. It'll be a bit late to do anything when the transfer window closes as this group of players simply aren't good enough. If BG is still in charge once the window closes we face certain relegation, unless COVID saves BG for a second time.
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