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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 7:24:38 GMT
In DC’S first 8 games he got us relegated, then when he was taking us back down too league 2 he jumped ship by getting himself deliberately sacked. Until you move on from your beloved DC no manager will be good enough for you.. Hes gone he ain’t coming back so go and support the saddlers and leave BG alone with this vendetta you have against him. Now go dig up some of my past posts 😂 Seems to me it’s you and Yeti who keep bringing DC up and not GGMI. It’s all about BG, he’s our manager. The two are incomparable. It’s all about BG ? So why compare him with other managers,I’m not happy with results or performances but let’s give him the chance at least a dozen league games. If he gets it right on the pitch it’s the sort of football I want to watch us play ( I know it’s a big if ) DC took a while first 8 games relagation then a very poor start the season after and 70% of the fans wanted DC gone.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 21, 2020 7:34:28 GMT
Seems to me it’s you and Yeti who keep bringing DC up and not GGMI. It’s all about BG, he’s our manager. The two are incomparable. I think the comparison is interesting. DC took us into the conference where we got off to a pretty woeful start (which didn't change much until we signed Chris Lines). DC communicated well with fans and therefore he got away with some pretty awful management (and by the way, communicating with fans is important, and I too appreciated DC's skills in this area). Its relevant to bring DC up in this context as he was given time to get things right and for a couple of season did OK and is now treated as some kind of demi-god by some fans. BG has a different management style, different personality but, like DC, should be given the time to get things right. There’s a big difference. DC was given a hospital pass by John Ward. The run of form was already established and we were sleep walking to relegation. If we want to talk about false positions, we were in one. Statistically, it wasn’t a complete collapse. It was a continuation of trajectory. I think most reasonable people accept that. Garner had longer after taking over from GC and had a whole transfer window to do what he needed to do. With this, he oversaw us having one of the best forms in the league to one of the worst. He has had over half a season now, and it doesn’t look pretty. It’s not a stumbly run of form, it’s dead cert relegation form. The difference is night and day for me but I guess it depends on how much you prescribe to the false position after Ipswich train of thought. Agree on Demigod but what do you expect? He’s arguably our most successful manager.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Sept 21, 2020 8:28:28 GMT
The thing we want as fans is to feel that the manager has watched the same game as we have. That he sees what’s wrong, accepts responsibility, makes no excuses and works to change things that aren’t working. We got all of that with DC and we’re getting none of that with Garner. I believed in DC. I don't believe in BG. Strange one that....so you would have backed DC as he took us down to Division 2 because you believed in him. OK then. Interesting stuff. We had some really woeful performances under DC, but it seems he got away with it because he came out after the match and told us that he loved the fans, that we are going to dust ourselves down and go again blah blah... . GGMI - you and others are saying that BG has had enough time to get the team playing his way...well guess what..DC was in his 5th season - on your logic surely enough time to get the team playing his way? Yet you would have kept him despite the dire football on offer. This thread is about Garner not DC . The relevance of DC is that he is polar opposite to Garner in communicating honesty what he saw after each match. The latter gives me no confidence that he can see what’s going wrong and how to put it right and he’s either deluded or just dishonest if he thinks there were ‘fine margins’ between winning or losing on Saturday! The only fine margins were how many we were going to lose by! Bottom line though it’s about results not communication and on that score it’s hard to imagine anyone could have done worse from the position Coughlan left us in last December. As I said the other day if any fan had won a competition to be manager they could hardly have done worse than Garner. He’s managed to stop a team from playing to its limited strengths and instead gets them playing to their worst weaknesses. Yet none of it is his fault! It’s all fine margins according to him. I am beginning to think that we have not only a deluded manager we have an arrogant and utterly incompetent one too.
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Post by RD on Sept 21, 2020 9:21:39 GMT
Seems to me it’s you and Yeti who keep bringing DC up and not GGMI. It’s all about BG, he’s our manager. The two are incomparable. I think the comparison is interesting. DC took us into the conference where we got off to a pretty woeful start (which didn't change much until we signed Chris Lines). DC communicated well with fans and therefore he got away with some pretty awful management (and by the way, communicating with fans is important, and I too appreciated DC's skills in this area). Its relevant to bring DC up in this context as he was given time to get things right and for a couple of season did OK and is now treated as some kind of demi-god by some fans. BG has a different management style, different personality but, like DC, should be given the time to get things right. John Ward took us to the conference. DC was just left there holding the smoking gun. Easily top 3 manager in our history. BG isn't fit to wipe his ass.
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Post by yetigas on Sept 21, 2020 9:26:50 GMT
I believed in DC. I don't believe in BG. Strange one that....so you would have backed DC as he took us down to Division 2 because you believed in him. OK then. Interesting stuff. We had some really woeful performances under DC, but it seems he got away with it because he came out after the match and told us that he loved the fans, that we are going to dust ourselves down and go again blah blah... . GGMI - you and others are saying that BG has had enough time to get the team playing his way...well guess what..DC was in his 5th season - on your logic surely enough time to get the team playing his way? Yet you would have kept him despite the dire football on offer. DC had proven himself as a capable manager by that point. He had won us two promotions and got us back to our highest position in many seasons, with two solid finishes in L1 despite what some boo boys would say. In mine, many supporters and I’m sure GGMIs eyes he had done enough with us to earn him that chance. Was it short sighted? Perhaps, because it was right for DC to move on - our performances once GC came in proved why that was the case. But many of us didn’t want that to end because of the emotional relationship he had built with the support base. I stand behind the dug out and I can remember the way DC was stood after the Doncaster game and I could see in his body language he knew it was time and that has stood with me. Difference being he had the respect for the club and himself to acknowledge it and act on it. BG has done nothing to buy this respect with supporters. He has no history of managing other clubs let alone success. I’ll tell you what actually doesn’t count, managing under 23 squads from the prem. He has since done nothing in his time with us other than preside over the worst win ratio of any manager in Bristol Rovers’ history, if not the whole of the football league. What is it that makes you think we should give him respect? His white t-shirt (lack of respect for us that he can’t even be bother to wear our kit)? his baseball caps (wannabe Tony Pulis)? his beard? His win ratio? The fact we’re going to come good? (We’re not) His waffle on the radio? His qualifications? Because he is manager of Bristol Rovers and he is doing his best to build a new team.
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Post by bluebiro on Sept 21, 2020 9:27:13 GMT
At least the paper he writes his coaching methods on would be of use
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Post by bluebiro on Sept 21, 2020 9:28:34 GMT
DC had proven himself as a capable manager by that point. He had won us two promotions and got us back to our highest position in many seasons, with two solid finishes in L1 despite what some boo boys would say. In mine, many supporters and I’m sure GGMIs eyes he had done enough with us to earn him that chance. Was it short sighted? Perhaps, because it was right for DC to move on - our performances once GC came in proved why that was the case. But many of us didn’t want that to end because of the emotional relationship he had built with the support base. I stand behind the dug out and I can remember the way DC was stood after the Doncaster game and I could see in his body language he knew it was time and that has stood with me. Difference being he had the respect for the club and himself to acknowledge it and act on it. BG has done nothing to buy this respect with supporters. He has no history of managing other clubs let alone success. I’ll tell you what actually doesn’t count, managing under 23 squads from the prem. He has since done nothing in his time with us other than preside over the worst win ratio of any manager in Bristol Rovers’ history, if not the whole of the football league. What is it that makes you think we should give him respect? His white t-shirt (lack of respect for us that he can’t even be bother to wear our kit)? his baseball caps (wannabe Tony Pulis)? his beard? His win ratio? The fact we’re going to come good? (We’re not) His waffle on the radio? His qualifications? Because he is manager of Bristol Rovers and he is doing his best to build a new team. well he did his best in destroying a winning one.that takes some doing
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Post by yetigas on Sept 21, 2020 9:41:47 GMT
I believed in DC. I don't believe in BG. Strange one that....so you would have backed DC as he took us down to Division 2 because you believed in him. OK then. Interesting stuff. We had some really woeful performances under DC, but it seems he got away with it because he came out after the match and told us that he loved the fans, that we are going to dust ourselves down and go again blah blah... . GGMI - you and others are saying that BG has had enough time to get the team playing his way...well guess what..DC was in his 5th season - on your logic surely enough time to get the team playing his way? Yet you would have kept him despite the dire football on offer. DC had proven himself as a capable manager by that point. He had won us two promotions and got us back to our highest position in many seasons, with two solid finishes in L1 despite what some boo boys would say. In mine, many supporters and I’m sure GGMIs eyes he had done enough with us to earn him that chance. Was it short sighted? Perhaps, because it was right for DC to move on - our performances once GC came in proved why that was the case. But many of us didn’t want that to end because of the emotional relationship he had built with the support base. I stand behind the dug out and I can remember the way DC was stood after the Doncaster game and I could see in his body language he knew it was time and that has stood with me. Difference being he had the respect for the club and himself to acknowledge it and act on it.
BG has done nothing to buy this respect with supporters. He has no history of managing other clubs let alone success. I’ll tell you what actually doesn’t count, managing under 23 squads from the prem. He has since done nothing in his time with us other than preside over the worst win ratio of any manager in Bristol Rovers’ history, if not the whole of the football league. What is it that makes you think we should give him respect? His white t-shirt (lack of respect for us that he can’t even be bother to wear our kit)? his baseball caps (wannabe Tony Pulis)? his beard? His win ratio? The fact we’re going to come good? (We’re not) His waffle on the radio? His qualifications? What did he do to 'act on it'? Wasn't he sacked? He had clearly lost interest weeks before his sacking - and if your logic was correct he would have resigned long before his sacking
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 21, 2020 10:24:43 GMT
DC had proven himself as a capable manager by that point. He had won us two promotions and got us back to our highest position in many seasons, with two solid finishes in L1 despite what some boo boys would say. In mine, many supporters and I’m sure GGMIs eyes he had done enough with us to earn him that chance. Was it short sighted? Perhaps, because it was right for DC to move on - our performances once GC came in proved why that was the case. But many of us didn’t want that to end because of the emotional relationship he had built with the support base. I stand behind the dug out and I can remember the way DC was stood after the Doncaster game and I could see in his body language he knew it was time and that has stood with me. Difference being he had the respect for the club and himself to acknowledge it and act on it.
BG has done nothing to buy this respect with supporters. He has no history of managing other clubs let alone success. I’ll tell you what actually doesn’t count, managing under 23 squads from the prem. He has since done nothing in his time with us other than preside over the worst win ratio of any manager in Bristol Rovers’ history, if not the whole of the football league. What is it that makes you think we should give him respect? His white t-shirt (lack of respect for us that he can’t even be bother to wear our kit)? his baseball caps (wannabe Tony Pulis)? his beard? His win ratio? The fact we’re going to come good? (We’re not) His waffle on the radio? His qualifications? What did he do to 'act on it'? Wasn't he sacked? He had clearly lost interest weeks before his sacking - and if your logic was correct he would have resigned long before his sacking It was a mutual decision. DC did not get sacked. They negotiated a parting of ways by mutual consent. His interviews, Starnes interviews, Waels interviews all part at that. Those who suggest otherwise want to have a pop at one of those three for one reason or another.
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Post by Westy on Sept 21, 2020 10:40:36 GMT
I've gone for undecided. Problem for me is that I secretly agree with what everybody's saying... For & Against 🤷♂️ im the same mate, I’d like to see his philosophy work, but as it stands, it’s punch less That makes at least 3 of us then! I know how you feel, I want a new manager but I also want to give Ben10 his 10 !
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Post by Westy on Sept 21, 2020 10:41:27 GMT
I just hope giving him this *10* isn't going to be like touching the stove 10 times...
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Post by baggins on Sept 21, 2020 10:48:26 GMT
I just hope giving him this *10* isn't going to be like touching the stove 10 times... Who does that?
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Post by newmarketgas on Sept 21, 2020 10:56:17 GMT
I just hope giving him this *10* isn't going to be like touching the stove 10 times... Who does that? Ben ?
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Post by baggins on Sept 21, 2020 10:57:55 GMT
Ben ? Oh.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 21, 2020 11:02:17 GMT
Ben ? Probably on a 3-1-2-3-1 basis..
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Post by baggins on Sept 21, 2020 11:05:21 GMT
Ben ? Probably on a 3-1-2-3-1 basis.. He's Ted Rogers.
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Post by bridgwatergas on Sept 21, 2020 15:44:45 GMT
But who saw that performance against Oxford coming. If it wasn't the fact the snake was playing would the fans have been so up for it after the previous results? GC started last season badly but he wasn't trying to totally rebuild a team. Disagree. That's exactly what GC was doing, bringing in new players and playing his style of rebuilding. No one saw the Oxford result coming, or the unbeaten run, but it wasn't just about one performance against Oxford was it? Snake fact or no. (Hmmmm where did Oxford end end up in the end? As opposed to Sunderland and Ipswich.. 🤔) ....it was the unbeaten run after. That's what helped us propel up the division and help rebuild his team. Something changed after Cov away in August last year. Nothing has changed from Cov away FA cup this year. There's only one common denominator that's responsible. Something changed after Coventry correct it did we won against Oxford in a game where the crowd were up for it and that bought some confidence. How do you know after 2 games something isn't going to change shortly? You don't know just like none of us did last season,it only takes 1 win and things can change. It maybe not next week against Donny but im sure when that 1st win happens things will change for the better.
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Post by bluebiro on Sept 21, 2020 15:54:29 GMT
Always think of the future the present is past then there is no future.
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Post by yetigas on Sept 21, 2020 16:32:28 GMT
I think the comparison is interesting. DC took us into the conference where we got off to a pretty woeful start (which didn't change much until we signed Chris Lines). DC communicated well with fans and therefore he got away with some pretty awful management (and by the way, communicating with fans is important, and I too appreciated DC's skills in this area). Its relevant to bring DC up in this context as he was given time to get things right and for a couple of season did OK and is now treated as some kind of demi-god by some fans. BG has a different management style, different personality but, like DC, should be given the time to get things right. There’s a big difference. DC was given a hospital pass by John Ward. The run of form was already established and we were sleep walking to relegation. If we want to talk about false positions, we were in one. Statistically, it wasn’t a complete collapse. It was a continuation of trajectory. I think most reasonable people accept that. Garner had longer after taking over from GC and had a whole transfer window to do what he needed to do. With this, he oversaw us having one of the best forms in the league to one of the worst. He has had over half a season now, and it doesn’t look pretty. It’s not a stumbly run of form, it’s dead cert relegation form. The difference is night and day for me but I guess it depends on how much you prescribe to the false position after Ipswich train of thought. Agree on Demigod but what do you expect? He’s arguably our most successful manager. Hospital pass? I think most of us expected Rovers to avoid relegation to the Conference when DC was appointed. New managers can change results with good man management, as GC did. DC was managing 2 divisions below where we are now and was pretty awful at the start but then came good. We all celebrated and were happy until he lost the plot in League 1. I think its more of a personality thing. I see some people have started to attack BG for his dress, his looks, the way he talks ....pathetic behaviour from so-called supporters. Despite his brilliant record, GC was also attacked on this forum for playing unattractive football - and he was perceived to not have the connection with the fans that DC did, so it seemed he was fair game for criticism. As I wrote in some other thread, Gasheads are really not very good at supporting their managers. So my message to Wael and BG would be simply to ignore it - sadly, its normal behaviour.
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Post by biggles on Sept 21, 2020 16:52:28 GMT
no but i believe in magic {lovin spoonful} so can anyone make him disappear!
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