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Post by yetigas on Sept 21, 2020 17:41:09 GMT
I think the comparison is interesting. DC took us into the conference where we got off to a pretty woeful start (which didn't change much until we signed Chris Lines). DC communicated well with fans and therefore he got away with some pretty awful management (and by the way, communicating with fans is important, and I too appreciated DC's skills in this area). Its relevant to bring DC up in this context as he was given time to get things right and for a couple of season did OK and is now treated as some kind of demi-god by some fans. BG has a different management style, different personality but, like DC, should be given the time to get things right. John Ward took us to the conference. DC was just left there holding the smoking gun. No, DC took us down - check your history books Easily top 3 manager in our history. Very difficult to compare a manager who did well in the Conference and Div 2 with those who have managed us in the second tier. Not in top 3 BG isn't fit to wipe his ass. That's a relief for BG I guess
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 21, 2020 17:43:31 GMT
Disagree. That's exactly what GC was doing, bringing in new players and playing his style of rebuilding. No one saw the Oxford result coming, or the unbeaten run, but it wasn't just about one performance against Oxford was it? Snake fact or no. (Hmmmm where did Oxford end end up in the end? As opposed to Sunderland and Ipswich.. 🤔) ....it was the unbeaten run after. That's what helped us propel up the division and help rebuild his team. Something changed after Cov away in August last year. Nothing has changed from Cov away FA cup this year. There's only one common denominator that's responsible. How do you know after 2 games something isn't going to change shortly? It isn't 2 games though, is it? It's over 20. With one whole transfer window to bring in his own players and this one. Almost 2 whole transfer windows, especially this one where most available players' contracts have expired It's the worst stats in our whole history. It's watching the same game, same tactics and same trauma for multiple of matches and still not learning. The same match v Southend was played out in front of their kids and even they wiped the floor with us. It's the same chin scratching, clueless with tactics and then like for like unforced substitutions in the 60-70 mins time frame that change nothing. It's appalling. But hey one win and it all might change.... that's all that is left, hope. No evidence. Just a whim. A wing and a prayer. Nowt else. Nada. Nuffin. But, hey.....give him more time. What could possibly go wrong?
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Post by reason on Sept 21, 2020 18:06:33 GMT
I believed in DC. I don't believe in BG. Strange one that....so you would have backed DC as he took us down to Division 2 because you believed in him. OK then. Interesting stuff. We had some really woeful performances under DC, but it seems he got away with it because he came out after the match and told us that he loved the fans, that we are going to dust ourselves down and go again blah blah... . GGMI - you and others are saying that BG has had enough time to get the team playing his way...well guess what..DC was in his 5th season - on your logic surely enough time to get the team playing his way? Yet you would have kept him despite the dire football on offer. DC had proven himself as a capable manager by that point. He had won us two promotions and got us back to our highest position in many seasons, with two solid finishes in L1 despite what some boo boys would say. In mine, many supporters and I’m sure GGMIs eyes he had done enough with us to earn him that chance. Was it short sighted? Perhaps, because it was right for DC to move on - our performances once GC came in proved why that was the case. But many of us didn’t want that to end because of the emotional relationship he had built with the support base. I stand behind the dug out and I can remember the way DC was stood after the Doncaster game and I could see in his body language he knew it was time and that has stood with me. Difference being he had the respect for the club and himself to acknowledge it and act on it. BG has done nothing to buy this respect with supporters. He has no history of managing other clubs let alone success. I’ll tell you what actually doesn’t count, managing under 23 squads from the prem. He has since done nothing in his time with us other than preside over the worst win ratio of any manager in Bristol Rovers’ history, if not the whole of the football league. What is it that makes you think we should give him respect? His white t-shirt (lack of respect for us that he can’t even be bother to wear our kit)? his baseball caps (wannabe Tony Pulis)? his beard? His win ratio? The fact we’re going to come good? (We’re not) His waffle on the radio? His qualifications? Quite amazing, but amongst this preconceived frenzy, you have managed to stand out as making the most ridiculous statement of the week!
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Post by bridgwatergas on Sept 21, 2020 18:19:20 GMT
How do you know after 2 games something isn't going to change shortly? It isn't 2 games though, is it? It's over 20. With one whole transfer window to bring in his own players and this one. Almost 2 whole transfer windows, especially this one where most available players' contracts have expired It's the worst stats in our whole history. It's watching the same game, same tactics and same trauma for multiple of matches and still not learning. The same match v Southend was played out in front of their kids and even they wiped the floor with us. It's the same chin scratching, clueless with tactics and then like for like unforced substitutions in the 60-70 mins time frame that change nothing. It's appalling. But hey one win and it all might change.... that's all that is left, hope. No evidence. Just a whim. A wing and a prayer. Nowt else. Nada. Nuffin. But, hey.....give him more time. What could possibly go wrong? Its 2 games into the season with a team he is building. There is no point debating with you your mind is made up and you want him gone even if he turns this around. Again there was no evidence we were you going to turn it around last season so why not now. I know why it dosent suit you and the negativity you spout.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 21, 2020 18:31:37 GMT
It isn't 2 games though, is it? It's over 20. With one whole transfer window to bring in his own players and this one. Almost 2 whole transfer windows, especially this one where most available players' contracts have expired It's the worst stats in our whole history. It's watching the same game, same tactics and same trauma for multiple of matches and still not learning. The same match v Southend was played out in front of their kids and even they wiped the floor with us. It's the same chin scratching, clueless with tactics and then like for like unforced substitutions in the 60-70 mins time frame that change nothing. It's appalling. But hey one win and it all might change.... that's all that is left, hope. No evidence. Just a whim. A wing and a prayer. Nowt else. Nada. Nuffin. But, hey.....give him more time. What could possibly go wrong? Its 2 games into the season with a team he is building. There is no point debating with you your mind is made up and you want him gone even if he turns this around. Again there was no evidence we were you going to turn it around last season so why not now. I know why it dosent suit you and the negativity you spout. It's called facts. Evidence based on the past. That I've paid to see with my own eyes. As opposed to....? (Well I think we've addressed that). I want us to win every match, I truly do. We'll see, eh? Negativity.....hmmmm I wonder whom helped put it there from being 4th in the league and hard to beat?
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Post by oldgas on Sept 21, 2020 18:37:24 GMT
The way things are going with this Covid Sh1t Saturdays game at Donnie could well be the last for several months.
Thank God for Wael.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 21, 2020 20:18:45 GMT
I'm amazed at the poll results so far. Only 59% can see clear sense.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 21, 2020 20:19:14 GMT
The way things are going with this Covid Sh1t Saturdays game at Donnie could well be the last for several months. Thank God for Wael. Can't we end the season before that please. Otherwise we might go down on ppg 😭
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Post by RD on Sept 21, 2020 20:49:29 GMT
Absolutely amazed 30 people believe in him. I mean, undecided I can understand you're maybe just somebody who is happy to pin everything on blind faith - but believe in him?!?! How?! Why?!?!?!
I can only imagine those 30 people are the sort of people who get done over by phishing emails on a weekly basis.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 21, 2020 20:57:42 GMT
I believed in DC. I don't believe in BG. Strange one that....so you would have backed DC as he took us down to Division 2 because you believed in him. OK then. Interesting stuff. We had some really woeful performances under DC, but it seems he got away with it because he came out after the match and told us that he loved the fans, that we are going to dust ourselves down and go again blah blah... . GGMI - you and others are saying that BG has had enough time to get the team playing his way...well guess what..DC was in his 5th season - on your logic surely enough time to get the team playing his way? Yet you would have kept him despite the dire football on offer. DC had proven himself as a capable manager by that point. He had won us two promotions and got us back to our highest position in many seasons, with two solid finishes in L1 despite what some boo boys would say. In mine, many supporters and I’m sure GGMIs eyes he had done enough with us to earn him that chance. Was it short sighted? Perhaps, because it was right for DC to move on - our performances once GC came in proved why that was the case. But many of us didn’t want that to end because of the emotional relationship he had built with the support base. I stand behind the dug out and I can remember the way DC was stood after the Doncaster game and I could see in his body language he knew it was time and that has stood with me. Difference being he had the respect for the club and himself to acknowledge it and act on it. BG has done nothing to buy this respect with supporters. He has no history of managing other clubs let alone success. I’ll tell you what actually doesn’t count, managing under 23 squads from the prem. He has since done nothing in his time with us other than preside over the worst win ratio of any manager in Bristol Rovers’ history, if not the whole of the football league. What is it that makes you think we should give him respect? His white t-shirt (lack of respect for us that he can’t even be bother to wear our kit)? his baseball caps (wannabe Tony Pulis)? his beard? His win ratio? The fact we’re going to come good? (We’re not) His waffle on the radio? His qualifications? Sorry, I have to disagree with you here. You are normally above things like pulling him up on his hat, clothes and beard etc. It also gives credibility to those who say the knives are out or that people want BG to fail because they have made up their mind. Despite how it may seem, I really want Garner to succeed. My criteria for judging him is based on his poor win ratio. Its based on his inability to manage an ugly, but ultimately winning team. His ineffective efforts to transition from one style of play, to his personal style preference. His failure to assert himself on a match day. His inability to provide any kind of halftime motivation or in game changes. I am genuinely hoping that there will be some signs of improvement in his management of BRFC but so far I simply have seen none whatsoever.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Sept 21, 2020 21:12:43 GMT
Not many managers unite the fan base. Gerry Francis did it, Holloway maybe for a while and DC for the most part. But I’m absolutely gobsmacked that Garner hasn’t united us. What more does he need to do?
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Post by lpgas1 on Sept 21, 2020 21:55:38 GMT
Not many managers unite the fan base. Gerry Francis did it, Holloway maybe for a while and DC for the most part. But I’m absolutely gobsmacked that Garner hasn’t united us. What more does he need to do? Win a few games
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Post by lpgas1 on Sept 21, 2020 22:37:55 GMT
the truth is this. Coughlin was told that there was no money available for the January transfer window. Garner had been seen at the Mem as far back as October. Coughlin got a chance to mamange a club near his home and took it. Garner had the opportunity to take the team in to the play offs (And I am pretty sure we would have beaten cheating bastards Wycombe) He had that oppotunity, but alas he didn't take it, he tried to get a good league one team to play Championship football. It didn't work. The team beat Sunderland really because it was Craigs special 500th league game, but if you were there you would have seen it was a Coughlin perfomance, and not a Garner. And that is why we sunk from 4th to 14th. In a way it was good that the league ended early. I think we could have gone down if all the games had been played. So, this season he has his own team, in a few weeks he will be the first manager to have a proper training ground in best part of 50 years. He has the backing of the Chairman. He got a lot of signings in early, and so has had ample time to work with them, and so most of us thought that we would come out of the blocks flying. Well the first game was dreadful Ipswich watered all over us. Well surely we can give Walsall a tonking with our sexy free flowing football. errr, no. Then Sunderland, a 1-1 draw from a penalty, and lots of defending and comedy misses by Sunderland. Then home to Ipswich. Surely we would get some thing out of this, after all we had just played them and now we knew how they played. Yes this time some comedy defending from our team, but thats not it really is it. If you look at the stats then you will see that it looks like Ipswich are at home. Lets face it, apart from the first 15 minutes it was crap, and as for passing,well the defence passed it a lotto each other, before hoofing it forward (sorry I meant before carrying out a long measured pass).
Now football is a funny thing, though none ofus are laughing right now. But it could all click, or maybe not. After watching the above games, I just cannot see where goals are coming from, because no matter how many midfielders you have you want at least one player who instictivley knows where the ball is going and knows he's going to score before he touches it with a boot. We dont have that.
I look at the fixture list and think, where is a win coming from? Lots of you have said it's a tough start, and yet last season we beat both Sunderland and Ipswich (Yes I know we lost 2-1 in GC'a first game). Butmy point is this. I cannot see us beating Northampton, because they have a lot of experienced players, not to mention and experienced manager and when I say experienced players, they know their craft. The Centre halfs winding up the forwards and the wingers taking the water out of full backs.
I have 1 or 2 beliefs about football and how it should be played. They are, play players in the position they are good at. (example dont play a winger at centre forwad, because the chances are he wont be heading any crosses, and as we have seen there have been lots of crosses and long balls going forward).
My second belief is that when at home you attack, and you play 2 or 3 up front, not 1.
Third , you need a strong spine of experienced players down the midle of your team. Arguably we have a good CH, but midfield is too soft, and the front line almost non existant.
Sadly because of his support from Wael, I feel Garner is here both this season and next, regardless of what division we are in. I also have this horrible feeling that our neighbours will do well this season, and that means more kids beig attracted to them. We could well become the Port Vale (to Stoke) although they have a better ground.
After 52 years I thought that with the arrival of Wael ( and his cash) we would at least be a top Division One team.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Sept 21, 2020 22:49:28 GMT
Not many managers unite the fan base. Gerry Francis did it, Holloway maybe for a while and DC for the most part. But I’m absolutely gobsmacked that Garner hasn’t united us. What more does he need to do? Win a few games Nah, more like lose a few more I reckon.
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Post by lpgas1 on Sept 21, 2020 22:54:02 GMT
Nah, more like lose a few more I reckon.
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Post by mrwarboys on Sept 22, 2020 1:13:38 GMT
Get used to it and get behind the guy, he is here for the long haul regardless of what you or I think.
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Post by landrover on Sept 22, 2020 6:07:35 GMT
Get used to it and get behind the guy, he is here for the long haul regardless of what you or I think. What an arrogant reply. Luckily for Garner there’s no chance of the crowd voting with their feet.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 22, 2020 6:20:18 GMT
DC had proven himself as a capable manager by that point. He had won us two promotions and got us back to our highest position in many seasons, with two solid finishes in L1 despite what some boo boys would say. In mine, many supporters and I’m sure GGMIs eyes he had done enough with us to earn him that chance. Was it short sighted? Perhaps, because it was right for DC to move on - our performances once GC came in proved why that was the case. But many of us didn’t want that to end because of the emotional relationship he had built with the support base. I stand behind the dug out and I can remember the way DC was stood after the Doncaster game and I could see in his body language he knew it was time and that has stood with me. Difference being he had the respect for the club and himself to acknowledge it and act on it. BG has done nothing to buy this respect with supporters. He has no history of managing other clubs let alone success. I’ll tell you what actually doesn’t count, managing under 23 squads from the prem. He has since done nothing in his time with us other than preside over the worst win ratio of any manager in Bristol Rovers’ history, if not the whole of the football league. What is it that makes you think we should give him respect? His white t-shirt (lack of respect for us that he can’t even be bother to wear our kit)? his baseball caps (wannabe Tony Pulis)? his beard? His win ratio? The fact we’re going to come good? (We’re not) His waffle on the radio? His qualifications? Sorry, I have to disagree with you here. You are normally above things like pulling him up on his hat, clothes and beard etc. It also gives credibility to those who say the knives are out or that people want BG to fail because they have made up their mind. Despite how it may seem, I really want Garner to succeed. My criteria for judging him is based on his poor win ratio. Its based on his inability to manage an ugly, but ultimately winning team. His ineffective efforts to transition from one style of play, to his personal style preference. His failure to assert himself on a match day. His inability to provide any kind of halftime motivation or in game changes. I am genuinely hoping that there will be some signs of improvement in his management of BRFC but so far I simply have seen none whatsoever. Yeah you’re right. It was a bit of a dick post on my behalf as part of an attempt on humour but was a bit below the belt, probably borne out of frustration. My concerns are along the same lines as you - GC wasn’t the likeable fellow DC was but demonstrated terrific man management, at times perhaps even better than DC. You could go into half time if we were having an off day and you could be safe in the faith that we would come out a different side after half time and at least have a go, heads dipping weren’t an option and those who did drop their heads didn’t last long. You could see the passion eschewed from the touchlines. I loved the never say die attitude. How both DC and GC took responsibility for a bad result even when you know it probably was the players! I don’t see any of these qualities in BG. I recognised many of the things you’ve stated early on and they facilitate and breed my doubt in his ability as manager. Do I like the man? Honestly, no. Do I think he will be a success? No. Could I ever like him even if he was a huge success? Not sure I would. But I would shut up and keep those opinions to myself and give him the praise and respect he deserved if he did. I would get behind him 100% if in ten games time we were charging up the league table. Nobody would give a sh** about his subdued nature on the sidelines if it seemed as if his tactical and personnel changes during the match appeared to impact the game in a positive way - that’s something I could see myself having great respect for in fact. Last winter I was coming on here and defending our manager and expressing frustration that supporters weren’t getting behind the manager when we were climbing the league. Calling him a PE teacher. I may have overreacted to certain players not performing well at the start, say Ed Upson, and I may have been ridiculous about JCH. But on balance I am often closer to a rose tinter and I often defend players who may have had a bad game or I feel haven’t had the chance to demonstrate their qualities. Somehow I’ve become a boo boy and it hurts.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Sept 22, 2020 6:42:17 GMT
Sorry, I have to disagree with you here. You are normally above things like pulling him up on his hat, clothes and beard etc. It also gives credibility to those who say the knives are out or that people want BG to fail because they have made up their mind. Despite how it may seem, I really want Garner to succeed. My criteria for judging him is based on his poor win ratio. Its based on his inability to manage an ugly, but ultimately winning team. His ineffective efforts to transition from one style of play, to his personal style preference. His failure to assert himself on a match day. His inability to provide any kind of halftime motivation or in game changes. I am genuinely hoping that there will be some signs of improvement in his management of BRFC but so far I simply have seen none whatsoever. Yeah you’re right. It was a bit of a dick post on my behalf as part of an attempt on humour but was a bit below the belt, probably borne out of frustration. My concerns are along the same lines as you - GC wasn’t the likeable fellow DC was but demonstrated terrific man management, at times perhaps even better than DC. You could go into half time if we were having an off day and you could be safe in the faith that we would come out a different side after half time and at least have a go, heads dipping weren’t an option and those who did drop their heads didn’t last long. You could see the passion eschewed from the touchlines. I loved the never say die attitude. How both DC and GC took responsibility for a bad result even when you know it probably was the players! I don’t see any of these qualities in BG. I recognised many of the things you’ve stated early on and they facilitate and breed my doubt in his ability as manager. Do I like the man? Honestly, no. Do I think he will be a success? No. Could I ever like him even if he was a huge success? Not sure I would. But I would shut up and keep those opinions to myself and give him the praise and respect he deserved if he did. I would get behind him 100% if in ten games time we were charging up the league table. Nobody would give a sh** about his subdued nature on the sidelines if it seemed as if his tactical and personnel changes during the match appeared to impact the game in a positive way - that’s something I could see myself having great respect for in fact. Last winter I was coming on here and defending our manager and expressing frustration that supporters weren’t getting behind the manager when we were climbing the league. Calling him a PE teacher. I may have overreacted to certain players not performing well at the start, say Ed Upson, and I may have been ridiculous about JCH. But on balance I am often closer to a rose tinter and I often defend players who may have had a bad game or I feel haven’t had the chance to demonstrate their qualities. Somehow I’ve become a boo boy and it hurts. Really honest reply from you pal - nice to show everyone that we can all reflect on our comments and viewpoints and good note that they can also change over time either way, for or against
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Post by putterbishopston on Sept 22, 2020 6:51:56 GMT
I'm waiting to observe an even slight motivational moment from BG, everything is a perfect science, he is so predictable and rigid it must be simple for the oppo to suss us out.
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