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Post by LJG on Oct 1, 2020 8:25:05 GMT
Back on thread When was the last time you turned up at the Mem knowing Rovers would lose Sorry this is that time again Paul Buckle era. you knew we were going to lose, the fans would hurl mountains of abuse after each game, we’d hear bulls*** excuses post match and people would call for his head. Was genuinely a horrible time to go and watch the gas and can’t help but feel it would be similar if we were allowed in the ground now. I hope a change is made before we start to go back through the turnstiles. Even Buckle managed to put on a bit of entertainment for the "meaningless cup games" that don't count. 6 - 1 against AFC Totton. Also compared to Garner, Buckle was an absolute dream. We had 6 points in our first 3 games. 8 from our first five. 15 from our first 10. Edit: Just had another look. We had 23 points when Buckle was sacked on 3rd January. What were we thinking? We were halfway to safety at the half way point!
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Post by Marshy on Oct 1, 2020 8:28:31 GMT
Paul Buckle era. you knew we were going to lose, the fans would hurl mountains of abuse after each game, we’d hear bulls*** excuses post match and people would call for his head. Was genuinely a horrible time to go and watch the gas and can’t help but feel it would be similar if we were allowed in the ground now. I hope a change is made before we start to go back through the turnstiles. Even Buckle managed to put on a bit of entertainment for the "meaningless cup games" that don't count. 6 - 1 against AFC Totton. Also compared to Garner, Buckle was an absolute dream. We had 6 points in our first 3 games. 8 from our first five. 15 from our first 10. True, but he was still an umpa-lumpa lady garden.
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Post by LJG on Oct 1, 2020 8:34:10 GMT
Even Buckle managed to put on a bit of entertainment for the "meaningless cup games" that don't count. 6 - 1 against AFC Totton. Also compared to Garner, Buckle was an absolute dream. We had 6 points in our first 3 games. 8 from our first five. 15 from our first 10. True, but he was still an umpa-lumpa lady garden. We finished 13th that season under McGhee - an absolute classic and resounding success if the current tone of some posts on here in relation to Garner are to be believed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2020 8:56:46 GMT
Paul Buckle era. you knew we were going to lose, the fans would hurl mountains of abuse after each game, we’d hear bulls*** excuses post match and people would call for his head. Was genuinely a horrible time to go and watch the gas and can’t help but feel it would be similar if we were allowed in the ground now. I hope a change is made before we start to go back through the turnstiles. Even Buckle managed to put on a bit of entertainment for the "meaningless cup games" that don't count. 6 - 1 against AFC Totton. Also compared to Garner, Buckle was an absolute dream. We had 6 points in our first 3 games. 8 from our first five. 15 from our first 10. Edit: Just had another look. We had 23 points when Buckle was sacked on 3rd January. What were we thinking? We were halfway to safety at the half way point! He got roundly criticised for lowering expectations, some 7 years on and we have written off over 20 games as meaningless! Penny for Buckle’s thoughts.... And it’s also worth pointing out that, like Atkins, Buckle actually brought in some decent players. It remains to be seen whether one of Garner’s goes on to play at a higher level like Carayol.
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Post by Marshy on Oct 1, 2020 9:12:09 GMT
True, but he was still an umpa-lumpa lady garden. We finished 13th that season under McGhee - an absolute classic and resounding success if the current tone of some posts on here in relation to Garner are to be believed. And then it went tits up for McGhee to then! I do wonder is the Rovers job a poison chalice? A totally different scale obviously but it reminds of the England job, a total basket case lol!
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Post by socrates on Oct 1, 2020 9:51:28 GMT
Back on thread When was the last time you turned up at the Mem knowing Rovers would lose Sorry this is that time again Paul Buckle era. you knew we were going to lose, the fans would hurl mountains of abuse after each game, we’d hear bulls*** excuses post match and people would call for his head. Was genuinely a horrible time to go and watch the gas and can’t help but feel it would be similar if we were allowed in the ground now. I hope a change is made before we start to go back through the turnstiles. Yeah if the ground was open the place would be very toxic that’s for sure. The fact it’s not is probably buying Garner some time. Since Wael has been here he hasn’t really seen that situation because the fans didn’t really turn openly toxic on DC.
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Post by LJG on Oct 1, 2020 10:28:37 GMT
We finished 13th that season under McGhee - an absolute classic and resounding success if the current tone of some posts on here in relation to Garner are to be believed. And then it went tits up for McGhee to then! I do wonder is the Rovers job a poison chalice? A totally different scale obviously but it reminds of the England job, a total basket case lol! Good analogy. And actually the England setup realised that what needed to change was the mindset. That changed and things changed on the pitch. We accept mediocrity every season until Christmas - actually not even mediocrity, abject failure - and hope that that will somehow magically translate into a play-off place. We have somehow mentally divorced ourselves from the reality that only winning games will allow us to succeed. That includes the bullshit about players like Nichols being unrecognised superstars. Until we actually start to expect managers and players to deliver (we as a club not just fans) we will continue to be trapped in this cycle of rubbish with one or two good years (which aren't actually good years, they're just recovery years) chucked in once a decade.
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Post by baggins on Oct 1, 2020 11:50:52 GMT
Will it be on?
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Post by wilmslowgas on Oct 1, 2020 12:57:40 GMT
And then it went tits up for McGhee to then! I do wonder is the Rovers job a poison chalice? A totally different scale obviously but it reminds of the England job, a total basket case lol! Good analogy. And actually the England setup realised that what needed to change was the mindset. That changed and things changed on the pitch. We accept mediocrity every season until Christmas - actually not even mediocrity, abject failure - and hope that that will somehow magically translate into a play-off place. We have somehow mentally divorced ourselves from the reality that only winning games will allow us to succeed. That includes the bullshit about players like Nichols being unrecognised superstars. Until we actually start to expect managers and players to deliver (we as a club not just fans) we will continue to be trapped in this cycle of rubbish with one or two good years (which aren't actually good years, they're just recovery years) chucked in once a decade.
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Post by wilmslowgas on Oct 1, 2020 12:59:45 GMT
Absolutely agree with this post. Mediocrity over a long period of time sums it up. Almost 30 years since we were in the second tier and pitiful prospects of ever getting there again.
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Post by axegas on Oct 1, 2020 13:21:27 GMT
Absolutely agree with this post. Mediocrity over a long period of time sums it up. Almost 30 years since we were in the second tier and pitiful prospects of ever getting there again. We're only one good season from getting there again, just saying.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Oct 1, 2020 13:26:09 GMT
On this, we are trying new things on and off the pitch for a long, nay, very long time. If we dislike where we have been (save for a few seasons) and what we seem to do repeat ably, then maybe this 'new' way for us may command more time and patience for longer gains. I know what the message is mind, we need to see it, or some of it, or just a bit of improvement quickly else the belief is gone for the remaining fans and we shall join the ones who have already lost their patience.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Oct 1, 2020 14:57:00 GMT
We finished 13th that season under McGhee - an absolute classic and resounding success if the current tone of some posts on here in relation to Garner are to be believed. And then it went tits up for McGhee to then! I do wonder is the Rovers job a poison chalice? A totally different scale obviously but it reminds of the England job, a total basket case lol! It was for a few years. There seemed something odd going on that someone would fail, someone else would come in, have a bit of success for a short while and then catastrophically collapse. Then a new manager would come in and the cycle would resume until DC drew the short straw and things finally came undone in that fateful period back in 2014. There was a rot going on and managers only seemed to be able to sort it out for a short period of time. It seems a little similar now and I don’t think we can trust Garner to sort this slide out. We seem worryingly similar to this period in league two and to Bradford and Southend in the seasons gone by.
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Post by singupgas on Oct 1, 2020 14:58:31 GMT
Must win.
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Post by socrates on Oct 1, 2020 15:07:22 GMT
10 points needed minimum and some signs that the players are capable of carrying out what Garner wants from the 7 October games to keep him in the job if I was Wael.
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Post by Gas-Ed on Oct 1, 2020 16:49:05 GMT
Even Buckle managed to put on a bit of entertainment for the "meaningless cup games" that don't count. 6 - 1 against AFC Totton. Also compared to Garner, Buckle was an absolute dream. We had 6 points in our first 3 games. 8 from our first five. 15 from our first 10. Edit: Just had another look. We had 23 points when Buckle was sacked on 3rd January. What were we thinking? We were halfway to safety at the half way point! He got roundly criticised for lowering expectations, some 7 years on and we have written off over 20 games as meaningless! Penny for Buckle’s thoughts.... And it’s also worth pointing out that, like Atkins, Buckle actually brought in some decent players. It remains to be seen whether one of Garner’s goes on to play at a higher level like Carayol. I don’t buy in to the ‘Buckle made good signings’ analogy. He brought in something like 24 players and only Brown, Carayol and Smith were decent. He also brought in the likes of Stanley. I’d like to think that if I was rovers manager, I could get 3 players out of 24 who turned out alright.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 1, 2020 16:51:43 GMT
He got roundly criticised for lowering expectations, some 7 years on and we have written off over 20 games as meaningless! Penny for Buckle’s thoughts.... And it’s also worth pointing out that, like Atkins, Buckle actually brought in some decent players. It remains to be seen whether one of Garner’s goes on to play at a higher level like Carayol. I don’t buy in to the ‘Buckle made good signings’ analogy. He brought in something like 24 players and only Brown, Carayol and Smith were decent. He also brought in the likes of Stanley. I’d like to think that if I was rovers manager, I could get 3 players out of 24 who turned out alright. In that case you'll do a better job than BG has done so far, are you free at 3pm on Saturday?
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Post by Gas-Ed on Oct 1, 2020 16:55:27 GMT
I don’t buy in to the ‘Buckle made good signings’ analogy. He brought in something like 24 players and only Brown, Carayol and Smith were decent. He also brought in the likes of Stanley. I’d like to think that if I was rovers manager, I could get 3 players out of 24 who turned out alright. In that case you'll do a better job than BG has done so far, are you free at 3pm on Saturday? I’ll see what I can do.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 1, 2020 16:56:10 GMT
And then it went tits up for McGhee to then! I do wonder is the Rovers job a poison chalice? A totally different scale obviously but it reminds of the England job, a total basket case lol! Good analogy. And actually the England setup realised that what needed to change was the mindset. That changed and things changed on the pitch. We accept mediocrity every season until Christmas - actually not even mediocrity, abject failure - and hope that that will somehow magically translate into a play-off place. We have somehow mentally divorced ourselves from the reality that only winning games will allow us to succeed. That includes the bullshit about players like Nichols being unrecognised superstars. Until we actually start to expect managers and players to deliver (we as a club not just fans) we will continue to be trapped in this cycle of rubbish with one or two good years (which aren't actually good years, they're just recovery years) chucked in once a decade. How as fans do we not accept mediocrity? Not turn up for matches even though we've paid for season tickets? Or perhaps hurl abuse at the players from the start of the season if we're not 3-0 by half time in the first game?
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Post by axegas on Oct 1, 2020 17:03:00 GMT
True, but he was still an umpa-lumpa lady garden. We finished 13th that season under McGhee - an absolute classic and resounding success if the current tone of some posts on here in relation to Garner are to be believed. Yes, in league two. We’re in the league above now in case you hadn’t noticed.
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