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Post by Marshy on Oct 1, 2020 17:04:05 GMT
Good analogy. And actually the England setup realised that what needed to change was the mindset. That changed and things changed on the pitch. We accept mediocrity every season until Christmas - actually not even mediocrity, abject failure - and hope that that will somehow magically translate into a play-off place. We have somehow mentally divorced ourselves from the reality that only winning games will allow us to succeed. That includes the bullshit about players like Nichols being unrecognised superstars. Until we actually start to expect managers and players to deliver (we as a club not just fans) we will continue to be trapped in this cycle of rubbish with one or two good years (which aren't actually good years, they're just recovery years) chucked in once a decade. How as fans do we not accept mediocrity? Not turn up for matches even though we've paid for season tickets? Or perhaps hurl abuse at the players from the start of the season if we're not 3-0 by half time in the first game? We just bend over and take it, like we have for the past 50 years.
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Post by LJG on Oct 1, 2020 18:32:07 GMT
We finished 13th that season under McGhee - an absolute classic and resounding success if the current tone of some posts on here in relation to Garner are to be believed. Yes, in league two. We’re in the league above now in case you hadn’t noticed. I have. I don't think Ben Garner or his fan club have clocked it yet though.
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Post by LJG on Oct 1, 2020 18:32:56 GMT
Good analogy. And actually the England setup realised that what needed to change was the mindset. That changed and things changed on the pitch. We accept mediocrity every season until Christmas - actually not even mediocrity, abject failure - and hope that that will somehow magically translate into a play-off place. We have somehow mentally divorced ourselves from the reality that only winning games will allow us to succeed. That includes the bullshit about players like Nichols being unrecognised superstars. Until we actually start to expect managers and players to deliver (we as a club not just fans) we will continue to be trapped in this cycle of rubbish with one or two good years (which aren't actually good years, they're just recovery years) chucked in once a decade. How as fans do we not accept mediocrity? Not turn up for matches even though we've paid for season tickets? Or perhaps hurl abuse at the players from the start of the season if we're not 3-0 by half time in the first game? Again, I think if you read the post the answer is there for you.
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Post by aghast on Oct 1, 2020 21:50:05 GMT
How as fans do we not accept mediocrity? Not turn up for matches even though we've paid for season tickets? Or perhaps hurl abuse at the players from the start of the season if we're not 3-0 by half time in the first game? Again, I think if you read the post the answer is there for you. I'm not sure that post after post demanding BG should leave now, and multiple threads about the number of games he should be given before we sack him equate to accepting mediocrity.
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Post by TAGas on Oct 1, 2020 22:15:01 GMT
I don't care how it's done, but Saturday needs to be a win and a clean sheet.
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Post by LJG on Oct 2, 2020 7:46:17 GMT
Again, I think if you read the post the answer is there for you. I'm not sure that post after post demanding BG should leave now, and multiple threads about the number of games he should be given before we sack him equate to accepting mediocrity. we as a club not just fans But in response to your specific point about threads it's quite obvious plenty of people are very accepting of the trash currently being served up. All the same comments about ten more games and see where we are at Christmas.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Oct 2, 2020 8:27:07 GMT
Did a look back of our history for the past 50 years and it goes like this:
First Tier 0 seasons Second Tier 10 seasons Third Tier 29 seasons Forth Tier 10 Seasons Fifth Tier 1 Seasons
Not really in reply to anyone in particular, but was interested to see what my expectations are vs where we have been for the majority of the last 50 seasons as a bit of a sense check
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Post by Marshy on Oct 2, 2020 8:30:01 GMT
Did a look back of our history for the past 50 years and it goes like this: Top Tier 0 seasons First Tier 10 seasons Second Tier 29 seasons Forth Tier 10 Seasons Fifth Tier 1 Seasons Not really in reply to anyone in particular, but was interested to see what my expectations are vs where we have been for the majority of the last 50 seasons as a bit of a sense check What’s happened to the third tier? Which is where we are now.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Oct 2, 2020 8:46:34 GMT
Did a look back of our history for the past 50 years and it goes like this: Top Tier 0 seasons First Tier 10 seasons Second Tier 29 seasons Forth Tier 10 Seasons Fifth Tier 1 Seasons Not really in reply to anyone in particular, but was interested to see what my expectations are vs where we have been for the majority of the last 50 seasons as a bit of a sense check What’s happened to the third tier? Which is where we are now. Oh yeah, what a mug i am. edited. thanks for spotting my error.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 8:51:00 GMT
I'm not sure that post after post demanding BG should leave now, and multiple threads about the number of games he should be given before we sack him equate to accepting mediocrity. we as a club not just fans But in response to your specific point about threads it's quite obvious plenty of people are very accepting of the trash currently being served up. All the same comments about ten more games and see where we are at Christmas. Who says that people who are saying give him time are accepting mediocrity? I am one of those people and personally I am in a place of having empathy with the circumstances Ben walked in to and the realism that with a high turnover of players it takes a bit of time to gel. I also had the realism that we were always going to struggle in the first few matches due to the quality of the opposition and the fact those teams have been together for longer and more established in their pattern of play. For me October is the key month. I am expecting a much better points return and much better performances as I believe the team will gel more and the opposition is weaker. We have had moments in games where we have looked ok but I do accept that in totality the performances have been average or below. I’ve seen worse and I’ve seen better in my 40 years supporting the gas. If (and I know it’s a big if at the moment) we win the next 3 or 4 or at least get a better points return and the performances are improved, will we still get all of these BG knocking threads? I can guarantee we will as some of our fan base just want to moan and criticise. They did it about Clarke, GC and now BG . Those wanting Ollie back - it isn’t ever going to happen. He’s happy at Grimsby and is a shareholder on the board. Those wanting GC - his football was turgid (but effective) and he won’t be back as he’s closer to home and his family which is why he left and Clarke - he’s at the start of his project and happy at Walsall. Off the out of work managers available, there are none that will a) drop to come to us or b) are a name that I think would be a success and those managers already employed, the ones who our fans would want won’t leave there existing clubs this early in the season! To be fair , it doesn’t matter who our manager is as we’ll always moan and criticise them and want them sacked - even Ollie had it when he was in charge! Just see how October turns out and then make a decision. If it’s still poor and we’re at the bottom then maybe look to change it but it doesn’t make sense to me to change it right now. That is not me accepting mediocrity, that’s me applying logic and empathy and a perspective of realism. We are not a powerhouse club at this level. We could be at some point but the years of neglect and firefighting under previous regimes has meant that we are miles behind the curve to be one and things like training facilities, stadium, profit and revenue, local player development etc is we what will take us there
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Post by Marshy on Oct 2, 2020 8:54:38 GMT
What’s happened to the third tier? Which is where we are now. Oh yeah, what a mug i am. edited. thanks for spotting my error. Tbh we all knew what you meant 😁. Very interesting stats though, the 3rd tier appears to be our level.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Oct 2, 2020 8:56:14 GMT
Oh yeah, what a mug i am. edited. thanks for spotting my error. Tbh we all knew what you meant 😁. Very interesting stats though, the 3rd tier appears to be our level. Yeah but still what a poor post haha. Appreciate you looking out for me/my posts
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Post by socrates on Oct 2, 2020 9:17:54 GMT
Oh yeah, what a mug i am. edited. thanks for spotting my error. Tbh we all knew what you meant 😁. Very interesting stats though, the 3rd tier appears to be our level. Historically if you go back further it is too. And to be fair we have mostly been a 3rd tier sized club. That’s what does my head in when Gasheads say we are long suffering, underachieving, how hard it is being a Gashead etc. There have been times when we’ve punched above our weight and there’s been times where we’ve underachieved. Same as most clubs. 4 promotions and 4 relegations in my time supporting so I’m not in the “ we’re so hard done by “ camp at all. When I started supporting Rovers we were third tier , there’s been lots of highs and lows since then and we are currently in the third tier. My glass is half full and half empty.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 2, 2020 9:44:55 GMT
Tbh we all knew what you meant 😁. Very interesting stats though, the 3rd tier appears to be our level. Historically if you go back further it is too. And to be fair we have mostly been a 3rd tier sized club. That’s what does my head in when Gasheads say we are long suffering, underachieving, how hard it is being a Gashead etc. There have been times when we’ve punched above our weight and there’s been times where we’ve underachieved. Same as most clubs. 4 promotions and 4 relegations in my time supporting so I’m not in the “ we’re so hard done by “ camp at all. When I started supporting Rovers we were third tier , there’s been lots of highs and lows since then and we are currently in the third tier. My glass is half full and half empty. The issue is surely for the size of Bristol and the surrounding areas plus our fan base, we could have been a far bigger club if we hadn't been held back by the lack of a decent stadium.
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Post by chewbacca on Oct 2, 2020 9:50:01 GMT
Well, at least one club from Northamptonshire was given a battering by boys from BS7 this week.
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Post by socrates on Oct 2, 2020 9:52:18 GMT
Historically if you go back further it is too. And to be fair we have mostly been a 3rd tier sized club. That’s what does my head in when Gasheads say we are long suffering, underachieving, how hard it is being a Gashead etc. There have been times when we’ve punched above our weight and there’s been times where we’ve underachieved. Same as most clubs. 4 promotions and 4 relegations in my time supporting so I’m not in the “ we’re so hard done by “ camp at all. When I started supporting Rovers we were third tier , there’s been lots of highs and lows since then and we are currently in the third tier. My glass is half full and half empty. The issue is surely for the size of Bristol and the surrounding areas plus our fan base, we could have been a far bigger club if we hadn't been held back by the lack of a decent stadium. Yeah obviously. Got a spare £100,000,000 to build a stadium ? No, me neither.
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Post by chewbacca on Oct 2, 2020 10:02:01 GMT
The issue is surely for the size of Bristol and the surrounding areas plus our fan base, we could have been a far bigger club if we hadn't been held back by the lack of a decent stadium. Yeah obviously. Got a spare £100,000,000 to build a stadium ? No, me neither. Christ, what are you expecting? Including the land in London, the Brentford Community Stadium only cost £71m.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Oct 2, 2020 10:03:01 GMT
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Post by LJG on Oct 2, 2020 11:27:59 GMT
But in response to your specific point about threads it's quite obvious plenty of people are very accepting of the trash currently being served up. All the same comments about ten more games and see where we are at Christmas. Who says that people who are saying give him time are accepting mediocrity? I am one of those people and personally I am in a place of having empathy with the circumstances Ben walked in to and the realism that with a high turnover of players it takes a bit of time to gel. I also had the realism that we were always going to struggle in the first few matches due to the quality of the opposition and the fact those teams have been together for longer and more established in their pattern of play. For me October is the key month. I am expecting a much better points return and much better performances as I believe the team will gel more and the opposition is weaker. We have had moments in games where we have looked ok but I do accept that in totality the performances have been average or below. I’ve seen worse and I’ve seen better in my 40 years supporting the gas. If (and I know it’s a big if at the moment) we win the next 3 or 4 or at least get a better points return and the performances are improved, will we still get all of these BG knocking threads? I can guarantee we will as some of our fan base just want to moan and criticise. They did it about Clarke, GC and now BG . Those wanting Ollie back - it isn’t ever going to happen. He’s happy at Grimsby and is a shareholder on the board. Those wanting GC - his football was turgid (but effective) and he won’t be back as he’s closer to home and his family which is why he left and Clarke - he’s at the start of his project and happy at Walsall. Off the out of work managers available, there are none that will a) drop to come to us or b) are a name that I think would be a success and those managers already employed, the ones who our fans would want won’t leave there existing clubs this early in the season! To be fair , it doesn’t matter who our manager is as we’ll always moan and criticise them and want them sacked - even Ollie had it when he was in charge! Just see how October turns out and then make a decision. If it’s still poor and we’re at the bottom then maybe look to change it but it doesn’t make sense to me to change it right now. That is not me accepting mediocrity, that’s me applying logic and empathy and a perspective of realism. We are not a powerhouse club at this level. We could be at some point but the years of neglect and firefighting under previous regimes has meant that we are miles behind the curve to be one and things like training facilities, stadium, profit and revenue, local player development etc is we what will take us there Yeah this pretty much sums up what I'm talking about. You acknowledge the football is sh** but you want more of it. Successful clubs don't do this. It doesn't translate to points on the board. Starting your season in January every year isn't a recipe for success. We know that because we've been doing it for 20 odd years. It's perfectly ok to expect winning football from the first competitive fixtures of the season be they league games or not. Your "realism" isn't really realism at all its just denial about what is needed if we're going to see on field success.
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Post by baggins on Oct 2, 2020 12:24:17 GMT
Take it we've all got our codes, registered, got the fridge full, thankful we're not going to get drowned watching?
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