Marshy
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Post by Marshy on Oct 2, 2020 12:31:09 GMT
Take it we've all got our codes, registered, got the fridge full, thankful we're not going to get drowned watching? Yes we dust the fridge down and go again! It’s an honest fridge.
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Post by spiess1 on Oct 2, 2020 12:39:49 GMT
Yeh, no. Every morning I get up and look forward to going to the fridge. It is not the best or biggest fridge, but it always does its best. Cool. What more can you ask?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2020 12:40:26 GMT
Who says that people who are saying give him time are accepting mediocrity? I am one of those people and personally I am in a place of having empathy with the circumstances Ben walked in to and the realism that with a high turnover of players it takes a bit of time to gel. I also had the realism that we were always going to struggle in the first few matches due to the quality of the opposition and the fact those teams have been together for longer and more established in their pattern of play. For me October is the key month. I am expecting a much better points return and much better performances as I believe the team will gel more and the opposition is weaker. We have had moments in games where we have looked ok but I do accept that in totality the performances have been average or below. I’ve seen worse and I’ve seen better in my 40 years supporting the gas. If (and I know it’s a big if at the moment) we win the next 3 or 4 or at least get a better points return and the performances are improved, will we still get all of these BG knocking threads? I can guarantee we will as some of our fan base just want to moan and criticise. They did it about Clarke, GC and now BG . Those wanting Ollie back - it isn’t ever going to happen. He’s happy at Grimsby and is a shareholder on the board. Those wanting GC - his football was turgid (but effective) and he won’t be back as he’s closer to home and his family which is why he left and Clarke - he’s at the start of his project and happy at Walsall. Off the out of work managers available, there are none that will a) drop to come to us or b) are a name that I think would be a success and those managers already employed, the ones who our fans would want won’t leave there existing clubs this early in the season! To be fair , it doesn’t matter who our manager is as we’ll always moan and criticise them and want them sacked - even Ollie had it when he was in charge! Just see how October turns out and then make a decision. If it’s still poor and we’re at the bottom then maybe look to change it but it doesn’t make sense to me to change it right now. That is not me accepting mediocrity, that’s me applying logic and empathy and a perspective of realism. We are not a powerhouse club at this level. We could be at some point but the years of neglect and firefighting under previous regimes has meant that we are miles behind the curve to be one and things like training facilities, stadium, profit and revenue, local player development etc is we what will take us there Yeah this pretty much sums up what I'm talking about. You acknowledge the football is sh** but you want more of it. Successful clubs don't do this. It doesn't translate to points on the board. Starting your season in January every year isn't a recipe for success. We know that because we've been doing it for 20 odd years. It's perfectly ok to expect winning football from the first competitive fixtures of the season be they league games or not. Your "realism" isn't really realism at all its just denial about what is needed if we're going to see on field success. You’re entitled to your opinion and maybe I’m not being clear - I don’t want a continuation of poor performances and no results. I like everyone wants the opposite but I don’t buy into the concept that the only way to get that is to immediately sack BG or any manager that this early in a season. Take Clarke, poor results when we got relegated and poor performances to go with it. Massive turnover in the summer and then started the season in the National League really poorly. Using your approach we should have sacked him. We didn’t and giving him time we all know that the team gelled and he gave us one of our most enjoyable and successful periods in our history. All I’m saying is that in BGs case, he joined in really difficult circumstances both professionally and personally and I believe that (coupled with some naive decisions) were why we struggled last season. I empathise with it and understand the pressure. This summer we have had a huge turnover in players - you might not agree with it but it happened. Yes there is training but in a Covid-19 impacted environment and as has been proven countless other times, it takes a while to gel and you can’t just throw players together and expect to see perfect football. Then add to it the fact that the opening games have been against really tough opponents who generally dictate play against any team they play then I understand why results and performances have been as they are. My belief is that through October we’ll see much better performances and results due to a) the team gelling more and b) the type and quality of the opposition (on paper) means that we’ll be able to dictate our game more rather than the opposition. If I’m right then great and my giving BG the benefit of the doubt will be seen as the correct way to go. If I’m wrong then it’s early enough for things to be changed and a new manager to be able to make their stamp. A lot of it goes down to whether you empathise with BG and the reasons why last season went the way it did and therefore he should be granted a clean slate or whether you don’t. Also whether you buy into the concept of new teams needing time to gel and opposition having an influence or not. None of this is accepting mediocrity, it’s just having a different perspective and not an expectation that we are bigger than everyone else and therefore have a given right that we should be winning every game we play and with a perfect performance.
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Post by baggins on Oct 2, 2020 12:44:13 GMT
Yeh, no. Every morning I get up and look forward to going to the fridge. It is not the best or biggest fridge, but it always does its best. Cool. What more can you ask? For a better fridge?
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Post by LJG on Oct 2, 2020 12:44:54 GMT
Yeah this pretty much sums up what I'm talking about. You acknowledge the football is sh** but you want more of it. Successful clubs don't do this. It doesn't translate to points on the board. Starting your season in January every year isn't a recipe for success. We know that because we've been doing it for 20 odd years. It's perfectly ok to expect winning football from the first competitive fixtures of the season be they league games or not. Your "realism" isn't really realism at all its just denial about what is needed if we're going to see on field success. You’re entitled to your opinion and maybe I’m not being clear - I don’t want a continuation of poor performances and no results. I like everyone wants the opposite but I don’t buy into the concept that the only way to get that is to immediately sack BG or any manager that this early in a season. Take Clarke, poor results when we got relegated and poor performances to go with it. Massive turnover in the summer and then started the season in the National League really poorly. Using your approach we should have sacked him. We didn’t and giving him time we all know that the team gelled and he gave us one of our most enjoyable and successful periods in our history. All I’m saying is that in BGs case, he joined in really difficult circumstances both professionally and personally and I believe that (coupled with some naive decisions) were why we struggled last season. I empathise with it and understand the pressure. This summer we have had a huge turnover in players - you might not agree with it but it happened. Yes there is training but in a Covid-19 impacted environment and as has been proven countless other times, it takes a while to gel and you can’t just throw players together and expect to see perfect football. Then add to it the fact that the opening games have been against really tough opponents who generally dictate play against any team they play then I understand why results and performances have been as they are. My belief is that through October we’ll see much better performances and results due to a) the team gelling more and b) the type and quality of the opposition (on paper) means that we’ll be able to dictate our game more rather than the opposition. If I’m right then great and my giving BG the benefit of the doubt will be seen as the correct way to go. If I’m wrong then it’s early enough for things to be changed and a new manager to be able to make their stamp. A lot of it goes down to whether you empathise with BG and the reasons why last season went the way it did and therefore he should be granted a clean slate or whether you don’t. Also whether you buy into the concept of new teams needing time to gel and opposition having an influence or not. None of this is accepting mediocrity, it’s just having a different perspective and not an expectation that we are bigger than everyone else and therefore have a given right that we should be winning every game we play and with a perfect performance. This is pretty much just a list of excuses. The whole world has had covid to deal with. Even Lincoln City. Pretty much every club recruits in the summer. I don't think we've got any right to anything. I do think that we can expect to be competitive in our own league though. We are after all ... in that league. Why is that wrong?
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 2, 2020 12:55:25 GMT
You’re entitled to your opinion and maybe I’m not being clear - I don’t want a continuation of poor performances and no results. I like everyone wants the opposite but I don’t buy into the concept that the only way to get that is to immediately sack BG or any manager that this early in a season. Take Clarke, poor results when we got relegated and poor performances to go with it. Massive turnover in the summer and then started the season in the National League really poorly. Using your approach we should have sacked him. We didn’t and giving him time we all know that the team gelled and he gave us one of our most enjoyable and successful periods in our history. All I’m saying is that in BGs case, he joined in really difficult circumstances both professionally and personally and I believe that (coupled with some naive decisions) were why we struggled last season. I empathise with it and understand the pressure. This summer we have had a huge turnover in players - you might not agree with it but it happened. Yes there is training but in a Covid-19 impacted environment and as has been proven countless other times, it takes a while to gel and you can’t just throw players together and expect to see perfect football. Then add to it the fact that the opening games have been against really tough opponents who generally dictate play against any team they play then I understand why results and performances have been as they are. My belief is that through October we’ll see much better performances and results due to a) the team gelling more and b) the type and quality of the opposition (on paper) means that we’ll be able to dictate our game more rather than the opposition. If I’m right then great and my giving BG the benefit of the doubt will be seen as the correct way to go. If I’m wrong then it’s early enough for things to be changed and a new manager to be able to make their stamp. A lot of it goes down to whether you empathise with BG and the reasons why last season went the way it did and therefore he should be granted a clean slate or whether you don’t. Also whether you buy into the concept of new teams needing time to gel and opposition having an influence or not. None of this is accepting mediocrity, it’s just having a different perspective and not an expectation that we are bigger than everyone else and therefore have a given right that we should be winning every game we play and with a perfect performance. This is pretty much just a list of excuses. The whole world has had covid to deal with. Even Lincoln City. Pretty much every club recruits in the summer. I don't think we've got any right to anything. I do think that we can expect to be competitive in our own league though. We are after all ... in that league. Why is that wrong? But when do we ever beat Sunderland and Donny away and Ipswich at home is just as tough, the season really starts tomorrow, although you just have to sense now that 4 defeats out of 5 have probably killed any confidence built up in pre-season. Not sure what the solution is now, apart from the obvious, but you have to sense any manager would struggle with those first 3 fixture, 4 including the cup game, on top of selling our £1m+ star striker.
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Post by blueboy5555 on Oct 2, 2020 18:45:14 GMT
This got to be the last throw of the dice for ben cant hang around or our season is over and it's only oct
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Oct 2, 2020 19:54:58 GMT
Yeah this pretty much sums up what I'm talking about. You acknowledge the football is sh** but you want more of it. Successful clubs don't do this. It doesn't translate to points on the board. Starting your season in January every year isn't a recipe for success. We know that because we've been doing it for 20 odd years. It's perfectly ok to expect winning football from the first competitive fixtures of the season be they league games or not. Your "realism" isn't really realism at all its just denial about what is needed if we're going to see on field success. You’re entitled to your opinion and maybe I’m not being clear - I don’t want a continuation of poor performances and no results. I like everyone wants the opposite but I don’t buy into the concept that the only way to get that is to immediately sack BG or any manager that this early in a season. Take Clarke, poor results when we got relegated and poor performances to go with it. Massive turnover in the summer and then started the season in the National League really poorly. Using your approach we should have sacked him. We didn’t and giving him time we all know that the team gelled and he gave us one of our most enjoyable and successful periods in our history. All I’m saying is that in BGs case, he joined in really difficult circumstances both professionally and personally and I believe that (coupled with some naive decisions) were why we struggled last season. I empathise with it and understand the pressure. This summer we have had a huge turnover in players - you might not agree with it but it happened. Yes there is training but in a Covid-19 impacted environment and as has been proven countless other times, it takes a while to gel and you can’t just throw players together and expect to see perfect football. Then add to it the fact that the opening games have been against really tough opponents who generally dictate play against any team they play then I understand why results and performances have been as they are. My belief is that through October we’ll see much better performances and results due to a) the team gelling more and b) the type and quality of the opposition (on paper) means that we’ll be able to dictate our game more rather than the opposition. If I’m right then great and my giving BG the benefit of the doubt will be seen as the correct way to go. If I’m wrong then it’s early enough for things to be changed and a new manager to be able to make their stamp. A lot of it goes down to whether you empathise with BG and the reasons why last season went the way it did and therefore he should be granted a clean slate or whether you don’t. Also whether you buy into the concept of new teams needing time to gel and opposition having an influence or not. None of this is accepting mediocrity, it’s just having a different perspective and not an expectation that we are bigger than everyone else and therefore have a given right that we should be winning every game we play and with a perfect performance. Absolutely spot on. Let's get behind the manager and team, and have a really good season. A lot of clubs may not even exist come May next year.
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Post by bs10er on Oct 2, 2020 21:22:59 GMT
Just hope this time tomorrow we are not saying"what a load of cobblers!"
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Post by lpgas1 on Oct 3, 2020 15:02:08 GMT
Northampton. How crap are they?
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Post by gasandelectricity on Oct 3, 2020 15:05:17 GMT
Northampton. How crap are they? They don’t look too bad.
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Post by axegas on Oct 3, 2020 15:09:15 GMT
Northampton. How crap are they? They don’t look too bad. Disagree, they look like a long ball team that are looking to get a goal off a set piece before parking the bus. Nothing wrong with that approach, GC did it quite successfully but they are the poorest team we’ve come up against so far by a fair distance.
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Post by yetigas on Oct 3, 2020 16:25:45 GMT
Made to look poor by the Gas!
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