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Post by Hugh Jarsole on Sept 30, 2020 9:55:17 GMT
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Post by Hugh Jarsole on Sept 30, 2020 9:56:11 GMT
Seems as though the way we're playing isn't favoured by a lot of managers
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Post by pirate on Sept 30, 2020 10:00:11 GMT
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Post by casey12a on Sept 30, 2020 10:03:19 GMT
You need to have a certain quality of player who fully buys in to the philosophy to play it, very rare outside of the top 6 in the premier league, even more so in league 1. Entertaining football isn't about possession or playing out from the back. It's about creating chances in the opposition box. Sadly we have none of the above at the moment.
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Post by neilv93 on Sept 30, 2020 10:19:37 GMT
A great example as to why 'Arry and his dated approach is no longer in a job anywhere.
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Post by landrover on Sept 30, 2020 10:27:01 GMT
Pirate, have you learnt nothing since your ridiculous backing of Ben Garner 18 months ago? It’s tempting to bump one of your posts but I’ll save you from the embarrassment.
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Post by thegasman on Sept 30, 2020 10:42:00 GMT
Maximum 3⃣ touches per player. Simply not true, 1 player at least took 4 touches
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Post by stevek192 on Sept 30, 2020 10:45:53 GMT
The thing is it won't take many adjustments to make it effective in this division. Players at the moment are making one pass too many and this is generally6 a back pass which puts another player under pressure. Two new experienced players (one striker and one midfielder) could balance the youngsters/experienced and this team could take off as basically Ben has brought in some good players.l Our problem at the moment is key players are not playing well. The game is abo9ut movement and decision making and at the moment it is the decision making which is missing.
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Post by pirate on Sept 30, 2020 10:53:00 GMT
Pirate, have you learnt nothing since your ridiculous backing of Ben Garner 18 months ago? It’s tempting to bump one of your posts but I’ll save you from the embarrassment. I've learnt every single one of your posts since you signed up to the forum on Dec 27, 2018 (10 days after Coughlan left*) is about Garner. Bit weird. Edit: *was appointed even!
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Post by chewbacca on Sept 30, 2020 11:01:58 GMT
Playing out from the back works if you have the players, going long works if you have the players, different approaches work in different scenarios. Remember Sinclair being played as a false 9 against Swindon to press and stop them playing out? Superb. Personally, I don't think we have the players to win matches and score goals so that could be a big issue with playing out from the back.
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Post by socrates on Sept 30, 2020 11:09:44 GMT
The thing is it won't take many adjustments to make it effective in this division. Players at the moment are making one pass too many and this is generally6 a back pass which puts another player under pressure. Two new experienced players (one striker and one midfielder) could balance the youngsters/experienced and this team could take off as basically Ben has brought in some good players.l Our problem at the moment is key players are not playing well. The game is abo9ut movement and decision making and at the moment it is the decision making which is missing. The movement is lacking too. And the passing. And the fight. Surely your not saying it’s just the decision making missing from our game?. This season so far we lack everything. The only time weve remotely looked like we know what we’re doing was the first half v Walsall where we had Agungu up front who was very direct and hitting shots and we had the movement and energy of Mehew and Hargreaves too.
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Post by toddy1953 on Sept 30, 2020 11:32:38 GMT
It’s all about opinions. For me, watching players plod about at the edge of their own box, play about 10 - 15 passes in their own half, before either playing the ball back to the keeper or punt it 40 yards upfield to the opposition - is boring as hell & similar (without as many passes) to the way we play under Garner. If you give me a team who are all really skilled in playing the ball around at pace, with an end product (goals) then I’m all for it. However, not many teams fall into this category & even fewer have had sustained success. So, give me a team who wins more football matches than they lose & for me that’s the best style.
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Post by yaz on Sept 30, 2020 11:32:40 GMT
I am not a fan of this unless you are a Man City or similar? Liverpool vs Arse on MNF and Liverpool defence made a terrible mistake to concede first goal when passing too casually at back! You could forecast this happening with 3 quick Arse forwards waiting to pounce!
I think you have to look at the aim / objective of passing at the back. What are you hoping to gain / do? Are you luring the opposition in? If you are doing it for its own sake, then it goes against the old and trusted? adage of NOT passing across the back? If the goalie is involved, is he so good at passing? If so, play him out of goal and get another goalie? It does not make sense as the start point of any play especially in L1 never mind the quality of our defence? How many goals have we conceded this season, so early, because of our weak defence? If they are so weak, we want to trust them with clever 1 touch football? NO. The only area s we should be doing this are in midfield onwards but sad to say I don’t think we have the quality or confidence to do this as yet.
Up The Field UTG
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Post by landrover on Sept 30, 2020 11:55:57 GMT
Pirate, have you learnt nothing since your ridiculous backing of Ben Garner 18 months ago? It’s tempting to bump one of your posts but I’ll save you from the embarrassment. I've learnt every single one of your posts since you signed up to the forum on Dec 27, 2018 (10 days after Coughlan left) is about Garner. Bit weird. You’re missing a year aren’t you. I know you don’t want to acknowledge Coughlan’s success but there’s no need to delete it.
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Post by wilmslowgas on Sept 30, 2020 11:57:22 GMT
I'm not wedded to any particular style of football. All I want to see is a winning Rovers team. Once a winning culture has been developed let's see if we can make the football more attractive. I suppose that makes me an advocate of GC.
The current team is neither winning games nor playing attractive football. Confidence is low and if this current level of performance continues morale amongst the players will slump.
What is the identity of this team? It can't win matches. It can't play pretty football. There are some decent L1 players in the squad. We should be doing so much better.
Sorry about the rant. It's almost 30 years since we played in the second tier. That aspiration is beyond a joke at present.
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Post by pirate on Sept 30, 2020 12:18:25 GMT
I've learnt every single one of your posts since you signed up to the forum on Dec 27, 2018 (10 days after Coughlan left) is about Garner. Bit weird. You’re missing a year aren’t you. I know you don’t want to acknowledge Coughlan’s success but there’s no need to delete it. I've edited it now. It is very strange though how you joined the forum 10 days after Coughlan was appointed and every one of your posts since has been about Garner. Very strange indeed. I've acknowledged Coughlan's success here and said at the time what a fine job he did. I won't ever be able to hold him in that high a regard though after the way he walked out on the job and I'm quite pleased he's now struggling* at Mansfield. I certainly won't shed a tear when he he gets the sack. (*Before you say it, not as much as Garner. )
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Post by stevek192 on Sept 30, 2020 12:50:13 GMT
Socrates, If the decision making is wrong you never get to the stage of the movement or the passing. We are making the wrong decisions by passing before moving. There have been plenty of time to run forwards with the ball but the players are intent on passing back and then across.
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Post by socrates on Sept 30, 2020 13:23:10 GMT
Socrates, If the decision making is wrong you never get to the stage of the movement or the passing. We are making the wrong decisions by passing before moving. There have been plenty of time to run forwards with the ball but the players are intent on passing back and then across. So I think we agree that if we played with more energy and tempo then the movement would be better and therefore the players would have easier decisions to make and therefore be able to play football rather than just getting caught out in possession or going backwards ? This is why I think our fairly static midfielders such as Grant and Upson aren’t right for the way were trying to play. Hargreaves strikes me as the only midfielder we’ve got now Sercombe has left that runs with attacking purpose. We’ve got wide players that are decent such as JML, Nicholson and Rodman which would help the play so much more if they played wide but it seems Garner wants them to play more central which just makes the problem worse. What do you think ?
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Post by landrover on Sept 30, 2020 13:25:13 GMT
You’re missing a year aren’t you. I know you don’t want to acknowledge Coughlan’s success but there’s no need to delete it. I've edited it now. It is very strange though how you joined the forum 10 days after Coughlan was appointed and every one of your posts since has been about Garner. Very strange indeed. I've acknowledged Coughlan's success here and said at the time what a fine job he did. I won't ever be able to hold him in that high a regard though after the way he walked out on the job and I'm quite pleased he's now struggling* at Mansfield. I certainly won't shed a tear when he he gets the sack. (*Before you say it, not as much as Garner. ) I haven’t a clue what you’re implying? What significance is 10 days? What’s Garner to do with Coughlan’s appointment? I merely questioned your love in with the unknown Garner. Which of us was correct then? Back to the thread, what will it take for you to realise that passing the ball forward is not a criminal offence.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 30, 2020 13:32:20 GMT
You need other players to make themselves available to receive a pass or it really does turn into either a) hit and hope, or b) keep hold of the ball and risk losing possession in a dangerous area, or C) passing to a teammate who is in a worse position than you.
Too many of our outfield players are pedestrian ball watchers. Id love to see a heat map for some of them
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