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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Sept 30, 2020 13:38:44 GMT
You need other players to make themselves available to receive a pass or it really does turn into either a) hit and hope, or b) keep hold of the ball and risk losing possession in a dangerous area, or C) passing to a teammate who is in a worse position than you. Too many of our outfield players are pedestrian ball watchers. Id love to see a heat map for some of them Fiddle around on this site - choose heatmaps and then select the players individually, not sure if you can get individual heatmaps but there is ones for match days - generally hot with keeper and left wing www.whoscored.com/Matches/1486222/Live/England-League-One-2020-2021-Doncaster-Bristol-Rovers
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Post by curlywurly on Sept 30, 2020 13:49:36 GMT
Long ball does work sometimes.....
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Sept 30, 2020 13:56:20 GMT
Long ball does work sometimes..... Kinda missed the first part, who scored?
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Post by pirate on Sept 30, 2020 14:05:23 GMT
I've edited it now. It is very strange though how you joined the forum 10 days after Coughlan was appointed and every one of your posts since has been about Garner. Very strange indeed. I've acknowledged Coughlan's success here and said at the time what a fine job he did. I won't ever be able to hold him in that high a regard though after the way he walked out on the job and I'm quite pleased he's now struggling* at Mansfield. I certainly won't shed a tear when he he gets the sack. (*Before you say it, not as much as Garner. ) I haven’t a clue what you’re implying? What significance is 10 days? What’s Garner to do with Coughlan’s appointment? I merely questioned your love in with the unknown Garner. Which of us was correct then? Back to the thread, what will it take for you to realise that passing the ball forward is not a criminal offence. I just find it strange that every single one of your posts since you joined is about Garner. And If I've got a so called "love in" with Garner, then you've got a very unhealthy obsession. When have I ever suggested passing the ball forward is a criminal offence? No idea what you're on about there.
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Post by curlywurly on Sept 30, 2020 14:17:24 GMT
You need other players to make themselves available to receive a pass or it really does turn into either a) hit and hope, or b) keep hold of the ball and risk losing possession in a dangerous area, or C) passing to a teammate who is in a worse position than you. Too many of our outfield players are pedestrian ball watchers. Id love to see a heat map for some of them Fiddle around on this site - choose heatmaps and then select the players individually, not sure if you can get individual heatmaps but there is ones for match days - generally hot with keeper and left wing www.whoscored.com/Matches/1486222/Live/England-League-One-2020-2021-Doncaster-Bristol-RoversThanks for that. Confirms what most of us watching the matches would have seen that most of our possession is in areas that have no chance of hurting the opposition. Doncaster were playing the game at least 10 yards further up the pitch than us.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Sept 30, 2020 14:22:12 GMT
Thanks for that. Confirms what most of us watching the matches would have seen that most of our possession is in areas that have no chance of hurting the opposition. Doncaster were playing the game at least 10 yards further up the pitch than us. I was just reviewing some of Northampton heatmaps and they seem to have a blank space infront of their back 4 which may indicate a bit o long ball. Better be 10000% better at defending that this weekend. On the plus side, they may sit off us a bit which could allow us to play it down a bit more. That being said, its due to be pretty wet so not sure if that helps or hinders...
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Post by gassa on Sept 30, 2020 14:26:31 GMT
"...it is the decision making which is missing." Agree with a previous poster, Rovers couldn't pass for toffee v Ipswich and that awful touch from the goal kick that lead to the first goal v Doncaster Rovers. It's a bit more than decision making.
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Post by stevek192 on Sept 30, 2020 14:58:51 GMT
Socrates, If the decision making is wrong you never get to the stage of the movement or the passing. We are making the wrong decisions by passing before moving. There have been plenty of time to run forwards with the ball but the players are intent on passing back and then across.
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Post by xenongas on Sept 30, 2020 16:07:27 GMT
You need other players to make themselves available to receive a pass or it really does turn into either a) hit and hope, or b) keep hold of the ball and risk losing possession in a dangerous area, or C) passing to a teammate who is in a worse position than you. Too many of our outfield players are pedestrian ball watchers. Id love to see a heat map for some of them Fiddle around on this site - choose heatmaps and then select the players individually, not sure if you can get individual heatmaps but there is ones for match days - generally hot with keeper and left wing www.whoscored.com/Matches/1486222/Live/England-League-One-2020-2021-Doncaster-Bristol-RoversThats a really interesting tool. Clear to see in all three league games that the opposition have attacked the wide areas around the box much much more than we have and we have failed to get up to the business end much at all in 270 minutes. Really hoping the transition from front to back starts clicking ASAP.
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Post by Rod1883 on Sept 30, 2020 16:30:28 GMT
You would like to think that our Management look at this sort of data when planning our own tactics and how to counter the opposition's.
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Post by Jomo on Sept 30, 2020 16:33:56 GMT
In my eyes there seems to be this misconception that it's either tippy tappy out from the back, or long balls. It doesn't have to be either really. Surely if the movement of our midfield, forwards and wing backs was hot enough, then we could get the ball out of defence quickly with forward passes that are more direct but certainly not hoofball.
I worry that we're trying to be overcomplicated, and its resulting in coming under way too much pressure at the back, and not effective enough in the final third.
Just get back to basics, shore up the back line, and get the ball forward. Trying this current style with players low on confidence and things could go from bad to worse.
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