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Post by LJG on Oct 12, 2020 13:57:18 GMT
You'd need that many Toms to have any chance of one of them scoring. But why is Payne different? Seems a pretty arbitrary distinction to make. You obviously can't claim some greater knowledge of "attitude" or "discipline". He got a lot of sh** from fans and reacted badly but other than that there's nothing to single him out. To be honest, we've had few players post-relegation out of the league that deserve any real stick. Obviously you have an issue with Tom, yes his goalscoring wasn't up to the required standard but in terms of effort he was fine. If a player isn't good enough that's the managers problem, if he doesn't put the effort in that's the players problem. Payne snowballed himself into a situation, his time at the club saw a popular manager sacked and his lack of perceived effort went against him. Well that was my question. It was perceived. Which is subjective. Same as with Bennett and Nichols.
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Post by giff on Oct 12, 2020 14:00:28 GMT
I Read it , the Rovers had put him on Furlough thats why he hasnt been in for training, in that way the government has been paying his wages, up to a maximum of £2500 a month, Rovers didnt have to top it up only in the last month i think, so he has done us a favour by moving on now as the furlough payments have stopped.
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Post by chewbacca on Oct 12, 2020 14:04:19 GMT
To be honest, we've had few players post-relegation out of the league that deserve any real stick. Obviously you have an issue with Tom, yes his goalscoring wasn't up to the required standard but in terms of effort he was fine. If a player isn't good enough that's the managers problem, if he doesn't put the effort in that's the players problem. Payne snowballed himself into a situation, his time at the club saw a popular manager sacked and his lack of perceived effort went against him. Well that was my question. It was perceived. Which is subjective. Same as with Bennett and Nichols. Well there was more ammo with Stefan, the gesturing at Barnsley and subsequent fine, going missing before the Oxford away game, his general attitude towards the club since leaving. It's by no means a one way street but compare that to the likes of Nichols and Bennett and they've been model pros in the same period.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2020 14:31:49 GMT
I remember DC or GC (maybe both) talking about Bennett having a good attitude in training. I think that Bennett was one of the players who spoke at the mental health evening which the club held, it takes guts to stand up in room full of people and address your innermost frailties.
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Post by wilmslowgas on Oct 12, 2020 17:44:26 GMT
I hope he has a happier experience at Grimsby.
He was offered a crazy contract and accepted it. Unless he was in breach of contract he should be paid his agreed weekly wage. That's employment law.
On the pitch he was poor. Undoubtedly very skilfull but riddled with inconsistency and his style of play always seemed to slow down the attack thereby allowing the opposition to regroup.
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Post by alanrg on Oct 12, 2020 18:53:07 GMT
Why r people defending this guy he is a Waste of space
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Post by pucklegas on Oct 12, 2020 18:57:18 GMT
He never looked like he cared, the opposite to Abs who I loved seeing the passion and effort, cant believe cogs hasn't signed him for his relegation scrap lol
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Post by Icegas on Oct 12, 2020 19:33:18 GMT
This guy's villain status on here is not deserved. Twice as productive as Nichols who some idolise as a football demi-god. Overpaid but that's not his fault. Yeah, that sums it up perfectly. He has decent talent in L1/L2 but needs that arm around his shoulder and to be in a very good team as a luxury player.It wasn't his fault we offered him top money. It hasn't worked out for him here, I wish him no ill will.
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Post by LJG on Oct 12, 2020 21:22:47 GMT
He never looked like he cared, the opposite to Abs who I loved seeing the passion and effort, cant believe cogs hasn't signed him for his relegation scrap lol Well they obviously have different roles don't they. It sounds like your definition of looking like you care is putting crunching tackles in but Billy Bodin didn't do that, did he not care either? Fans aren't mind readers. This "looking like they care" thing is bullshit. Which is why all the Stefan Payne stuff is completely hypocritical in my book.
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Post by chewbacca on Oct 13, 2020 7:41:26 GMT
I think it's worth noting the whole deal was pretty poor mismanagement by the club as well as DC. Billy Bodin joined Preston on the 3rd of January, pretty much as early as he could in the transfer window giving Rovers ample time. Bennett was signed on the 1st of February on a free transfer having been released from his contract by Portsmouth. Rovers left it until the last possible moment to replace Bodin and were probably over a barrel.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Oct 13, 2020 7:57:46 GMT
I think it's worth noting the whole deal was pretty poor mismanagement by the club as well as DC. Billy Bodin joined Preston on the 3rd of January, pretty much as early as he could in the transfer window giving Rovers ample time. Bennett was signed on the 1st of February on a free transfer having been released from his contract by Portsmouth. Rovers left it until the last possible moment to replace Bodin and were probably over a barrel. It was also the failure to find an adequate alternative. We put all our eggs into one basket. It was also clear as day that Billy was moving on months in advance.
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Post by farmygas on Oct 13, 2020 8:04:34 GMT
This guy's villain status on here is not deserved. Twice as productive as Nichols who some idolise as a football demi-god. Overpaid but that's not his fault. I don't think either are villains, they're just footballers that it didn't work out for. Neither down tools or stopped putting in the effort. Give me 100 Tom Nichols over 1 Stefan Payne. This is the internet, I demand an easy target I can project all of my frustrations on to!
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Post by wertongas on Oct 13, 2020 8:08:18 GMT
As has already been said we should not have signed Bennett on such high wages actually we shouldn't have signed him at all!. DC did a great job of getting us back to league 1, but made a few mistakes in his latter years here, making some poor signings, what really gets me is how he contradicted himself saying he wasn't getting the support and money from Wael to make good signings when actually he was bringing players in on high wages. Many like Bennett and Nichols were on good league 1 wages when they were only league 2 standard players.
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Post by pucklegas on Oct 13, 2020 9:33:33 GMT
He never looked like he cared, the opposite to Abs who I loved seeing the passion and effort, cant believe cogs hasn't signed him for his relegation scrap lol Well they obviously have different roles don't they. It sounds like your definition of looking like you care is putting crunching tackles in but Billy Bodin didn't do that, did he not care either? Fans aren't mind readers. This "looking like they care" thing is bullshit. Which is why all the Stefan Payne stuff is completely hypocritical in my book. Respect your opinion but in my eyes he tried when he wanted to, I can clearly see who is running around, never expected any tackling but did expect some effort, NIchols tried hard but lost the art of scoring. Payne let himself down here, never looked fit and abusing our fans is unacceptable, however his banter since he left has been funny especially Bristol Raiders!
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Post by lastminutewinner on Oct 13, 2020 11:07:02 GMT
Not sure what Bennett was expecting from the club as id imagine the situation has always been that he isn't in BG's plans
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Post by LJG on Oct 13, 2020 11:25:57 GMT
Well they obviously have different roles don't they. It sounds like your definition of looking like you care is putting crunching tackles in but Billy Bodin didn't do that, did he not care either? Fans aren't mind readers. This "looking like they care" thing is bullshit. Which is why all the Stefan Payne stuff is completely hypocritical in my book. Respect your opinion but in my eyes he tried when he wanted to, I can clearly see who is running around, never expected any tackling but did expect some effort, NIchols tried hard but lost the art of scoring. Payne let himself down here, never looked fit and abusing our fans is unacceptable, however his banter since he left has been funny especially Bristol Raiders! "Abusing our fans" what rubbish. He lost it having been constantly taking pelters and gave the finger. Hardly "abuse". You can see who is running around. Payne and Nichols did about the same amount of gentle jogging about. Both of them less than Bennett who was always up and down the wing.
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Post by completewingback on Oct 13, 2020 11:32:46 GMT
Bristol Rovers can make mistakes too lads. This was just a sh**ty situation all around
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Oct 13, 2020 12:06:50 GMT
Last time I saw Bennett play was in the cup against Coventry, he came on as a sub, hardly touched the ball and spent the whole time he was on arguing with our coaching staff who were visibly watered off with him.
Glad he’s gone, especially with his 30k a week wage bill.
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Post by rambo on Oct 13, 2020 12:23:37 GMT
Bit of a nothing story really - he wasn't fancied by the new manager(s) but on a good wage. Furlough comes around and gov pay £2.5k a month - Rovers topped up the other ~£10k so it's not like the club have been too unfair on him - they could have paid him nothing and in effect he'd have taken an enforced 80% pay cut!
Clearly the club could have communicated better, but what really are they going to say? He's out of favour and not been registered so as not to include his wage in the total cap. There's no update between June and now - the position hasn't changed.
He also isn't having too much of a moan in that article. Even mentions how nice it was to spend time with the family etc.
Good luck to him at Grimsby, seems like a decent bloke and a bit of a scapegoat for not being quite good enough consistently at this level.
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Post by pucklegas on Oct 13, 2020 13:25:31 GMT
Respect your opinion but in my eyes he tried when he wanted to, I can clearly see who is running around, never expected any tackling but did expect some effort, NIchols tried hard but lost the art of scoring. Payne let himself down here, never looked fit and abusing our fans is unacceptable, however his banter since he left has been funny especially Bristol Raiders! "Abusing our fans" what rubbish. He lost it having been constantly taking pelters and gave the finger. Hardly "abuse". You can see who is running around. Payne and Nichols did about the same amount of gentle jogging about. Both of them less than Bennett who was always up and down the wing. I've split my sides, think you re thinking of Lee Archer, the only wings Benno was interested in was Nando s 😂 I lost more sweat working out the ifollow on a Saturday 😂
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