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Post by Okebournegas on Nov 19, 2020 12:43:34 GMT
100 % class , Sorry it didn’t work out at the Gas. Wish him nothing but success in the future.
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Post by amgas on Nov 19, 2020 12:46:51 GMT
A shame it never worked out - I think there is a fine line between success and failure as a manager.
He had some difficult games at the start of the season and one more win would have made our league position look a lot better.
Ultimately his poor record when he joined made his overall record look worrying - Again he went through a difficult period early on off the pitch.
There was no way we were ever going to change style mid season - might have been better to appoint a caretaker manager who could play Coughlan style to the end of the season and make the radical changes in the summer.
Good luck for the future, a shame to see him go as might have come good, but a decision that made sense when we were drifting towards the relegation zone.
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Post by meldrew on Nov 19, 2020 13:40:45 GMT
Been fo!lowing Rivers for 69 years. I've seen I'm come and go, but I feel that Ben Garner demonstrated an ethos into the club. Unfortunately, some posters on this forum never have him a chance and constantly called for him to be sacked. Just what do these people want from a manager. We could have Klopp or someone of that class and they would still not be happy. Look back at some of the managers we have hired and fired in recent years in compare them to Ben. There is no comparison. So I say to all the moaners, wake up and smell the coffee and give the next incumbent a chance.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2020 13:40:48 GMT
If freezing out the best recent academy product, bringing in youth players from other teams' academies on loan, then bombing ours out on loan to middle-earth clubs is his idea of "developing" our academy products, thank Christ he's gone. Milquetoast statement by a milquetoast manager, good luck to him wish him nothing but the best, but it's hardly I Had A Dream, is it?
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Post by axegas on Nov 19, 2020 13:47:40 GMT
Been fo!lowing Rivers for 69 years. I've seen I'm come and go, but I feel that Ben Garner demonstrated an ethos into the club. Unfortunately, some posters on this forum never have him a chance and constantly called for him to be sacked. Just what do these people want from a manager. We could have Klopp or someone of that class and they would still not be happy. Look back at some of the managers we have hired and fired in recent years in compare them to Ben. There is no comparison. So I say to all the moaners, wake up and smell the coffee and give the next incumbent a chance. They want him to have a higher win percentage than 18% it’s as simply as that. Garner had some really good ideas for the future of the football club, he may have even implemented processes to the way the footballing side of the club operates to help it get there but ultimately if you lose 3 times the amount of games that you win, you’re always going to have the fans on your back. Wish Garner the very best, I think he showed a lot of class in his statement but it was clear a change was needed as it wasn’t working.
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Post by dukegas on Nov 19, 2020 13:52:55 GMT
At least he had the guts and courtesy to put in writing an honest letter, I do think the board made the correct decision, however I’m sorry it did not work out, I believe he always had the best interest of BRFC at heart and he worked extremely hard and implemented some sound footings for the club to go forward, let’s hope the new man can continue in the same vein but produce good football and a good win ratio, I wish Ben all the best for the future, but sometimes things just don’t work out and it’s best to move on as we have done, I don’t think it worked out well for Gerry Francis at Exeter but he did a great job for us, I remember leaving my house on Saturday morning to go to Blackpool telling the wife I’d see her late tonight, think I must have had a couple of drinks as I came home Monday afternoon, , Good old Days. UTG
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Post by bluegas on Nov 19, 2020 13:56:12 GMT
Been fo!lowing Rivers for 69 years. I've seen I'm come and go, but I feel that Ben Garner demonstrated an ethos into the club. Unfortunately, some posters on this forum never have him a chance and constantly called for him to be sacked. Just what do these people want from a manager. We could have Klopp or someone of that class and they would still not be happy. Look back at some of the managers we have hired and fired in recent years in compare them to Ben. There is no comparison. So I say to all the moaners, wake up and smell the coffee and give the next incumbent a chance. They want him to have a higher win percentage than 18% it’s as simply as that. Garner had some really good ideas for the future of the football club, he may have even implemented processes to the way the footballing side of the club operates to help it get there but ultimately if you lose 3 times the amount of games that you win, you’re always going to have the fans on your back. Wish Garner the very best, I think he showed a lot of class in his statement but it was clear a change was needed as it wasn’t working. Totally agree with you. Problem is that it got unnecessarily personal (not for the first time).
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Post by CrispPusher on Nov 19, 2020 13:58:39 GMT
Yeah fair play he did well developing all the players from the academy that started so many games under him, showed real faith in them.
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Post by Icegas on Nov 19, 2020 14:05:06 GMT
Good luck Ben! Sounded like a covering letter for his next job 😂 It does, which I can understand him doing. But fair play, respectful comments to us and the board. I've no doubt he tried his best,had an honest vision and did some important work behind the scenes with regard to how our owners want us to be as a club going on. But it was sadly aware to us that he was not going to make it as a manager here after taking us from being 3rd - to 15th pre C19.I still stand by the fact that a decent manager would have still got us to a top 10 finish last season regardless of it not being his side.
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Post by utg4eva on Nov 19, 2020 14:11:58 GMT
Nice touch and an eye opener into everything BG did behind the scenes. The overall stats don't read well and the loss to Fleetwood was heavy but considering the work and effort he put into set up a full backroom staff, design the training facilities and secure the signing of a number of promising youngsters it still seems a strange decision, especially based on recent form and the fact a replacement had not been lined up.
4 wins, 3 draws and 3 losses (Hull, Peterborough and Fleetwood) in the last 10, no losses to any team outside of the top 10 all season and progressing in the FA cup reads on paper as real progression and improvement. Especially when the next five games were all teams outside of the top 10 in the league, an u21 team in the PJ trophy and non league team in the FA cup.
It would have made sense to maybe have TW more involved as senior support or perhaps bring in a senior DofF? I found it very bizarre that Starnes statememnt made it clear Garner had no warning, no talking to or timescales to improve "We hadn’t given Ben a final warning or so many games or anything like that," Starnes told Bristol Live on Tuesday. Why not put a plan in place? Add support, give targets etc. It sound slike it was a case of do everything from tea boy to manager on your own.
Starnes also said "results hadn't improved"...6 wins since Boxing day is poor but 4 of them came in the 4 weeks prior to his sacking!
I think it was FLynn that said the otehr day whoever comes in needs backing and time. That is more important now than ever.
Onwards and upwards and UTG but please give the next guy time, backing and support
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Post by yetigas on Nov 19, 2020 14:13:02 GMT
I have huge respect for BG. He was clearly very committed to his role at the Gas, and moved his family to Bristol which is more than most managers would do these days. He had some huge challenges with family illness and the impact of C19, and I am very grateful to him for recruiting some good players in the close season. As I have written elsewhere, I would have given him longer to get it right, but we are where we are and I hope BG's next role comes along soon. Thank you Ben and good luck!
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Post by keygas on Nov 19, 2020 14:15:14 GMT
Fair play, can’t be easy writing that after being told your services are no longer required.From the start I.always thought it was a difficult task taking over a team midway through a season & trying to change the personal & style of play. Always thought he would need an experienced old head with him like Trollope had with Lenny Lawrence & maybe things would have worked out differently.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Nov 19, 2020 14:31:57 GMT
Very classy letter, good luck to him sorry it didnt quite work out with us but wish him all the very best for the future
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 19, 2020 14:42:18 GMT
That was a classy response to what’s happened when he is clearly disappointed. Well done for that Ben and good luck in the future. Tough learning for the young manager but the experience should help him in his next post. UTG!
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Post by dmacca65 on Nov 19, 2020 15:04:48 GMT
What a fantastic response in adversity, well done Ben Garner.
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Post by wilmslowgas on Nov 19, 2020 19:22:42 GMT
I'm not a fan of Garner and his record speaks for itself. Nonetheless, he was fully committed to Rovers. It just didn't work out for him. Wish him well in the next phase of his career.
I suspect he will be a wiser manager following his time here. Bad experience is good experience if you learn from it.
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Post by socrates on Nov 19, 2020 19:32:12 GMT
I would like to see him bounce back as a coach or an assistant manager in L1/L2 and learn a few more of the ropes. I do think he was a touch out of his depth, but there is nothing to say that with more experience he could once again be a first team manager. To be fair he’s been coaching in the Premier and championship for years so if he goes back to that I’d imagine he could do a lot better than league 1 or 2.
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Post by ChiefStateGAS on Nov 19, 2020 20:07:40 GMT
Can't argue that he stuck to his principles but when things were getting tough his inexperience showed. I think letting Ogogo leave was a mistake, these last few games we really could've done with a back to basics approach and someone like him in the middle could've installed some more fight in the team.
On that note, it was nice to see PT saying he'll give all the players a chance. I got the impression BG made excuses about players not being his players which led to the slip from 2nd place last season. Work with what you have.
Best of luck for the future, thank you for your efforts.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2020 20:24:06 GMT
Classy from ben, a football man but not a football manager. Good luck in the future!
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