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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2020 14:02:33 GMT
Massively selective there. Wasn’t it Widdrington who brought Timmy Abraham to the club, who he had been tracking for a while and who turned out not to even look like a footballer? Ginnelly, JML etc and surely Widdrington was here when we signed Payne because it was DC that brought him (Widdrington) to the club wasn’t it? In fact, yes he was here then because we were joking about the Coventry connection because we were in for Adebayo or whatever his name was who left Walsall for Coventry and DC ended up with Stefan Payne- so we have Widdrington to thank for that waste of money? So what you’ve done here is move Widdringtons start date forward by a season which makes him look better but still omitted some signings. So you criticise DC for the money he spent when some of that would have been spent on Widdrington’s watch. So overall our signings while he has been here have been hit and miss, apart from JCH no-one has bettered themselves when they have left and the current batch look too under-powered for this level although one presumes their contract lengths mean we are stuck with them and so they will have plenty of time to prove me wrong. Interesting how the Plymouth Manager, highly regarded on here by several posters has had Timmy Abraham on loan for this season. Obviously does not know he isn't a footballer! That happens all the time, clubs thinking they can get a tune out of a player who isn’t up to it. Look at his appearances at Plymouth, 2 as sub in the league, one start, then a gap to an appearance in the JPT early November, not been seen since. Telling.
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Post by kentgas on Nov 27, 2020 14:38:06 GMT
Interesting how the Plymouth Manager, highly regarded on here by several posters has had Timmy Abraham on loan for this season. Obviously does not know he isn't a footballer! That happens all the time, clubs thinking they can get a tune out of a player who isn’t up to it. Look at his appearances at Plymouth, 2 as sub in the league, one start, then a gap to an appearance in the JPT early November, not been seen since. Telling. Borussia Dortmund failed in their attempt to land Fulham’s Timmy Abraham on Deadline Day due to paperwork issues. That’s according to Transfermarkt, who claims that Fulham were too slow to complete all the forms to acquire the younger brother of Chelsea’s Tammy Abraham despite Dortmund doing their part. Dortmund were set to land the player on an initial loan deal with a purchase option that amounted to €2.2m (£2m), planning to integrate him into the U-23s with a goal to get him into the first-team by the end of the season. It’s believed that Dortmund will continue to pursue the player in the January transfer window.
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Post by spiess1 on Nov 27, 2020 14:39:00 GMT
gas365, do you expect many of us to take your opinions seriously with references like this?
''....Adebayo or whatever his name was...''
''....the guy we were going to sign instead of Payne...''
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2020 15:37:54 GMT
That happens all the time, clubs thinking they can get a tune out of a player who isn’t up to it. Look at his appearances at Plymouth, 2 as sub in the league, one start, then a gap to an appearance in the JPT early November, not been seen since. Telling. Borussia Dortmund failed in their attempt to land Fulham’s Timmy Abraham on Deadline Day due to paperwork issues. That’s according to Transfermarkt, who claims that Fulham were too slow to complete all the forms to acquire the younger brother of Chelsea’s Tammy Abraham despite Dortmund doing their part. Dortmund were set to land the player on an initial loan deal with a purchase option that amounted to €2.2m (£2m), planning to integrate him into the U-23s with a goal to get him into the first-team by the end of the season. It’s believed that Dortmund will continue to pursue the player in the January transfer window. Fake news then basically. Let’s live in the ream of real transfers, not imaginary ones.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2020 15:38:29 GMT
gas365, do you expect many of us to take your opinions seriously with references like this? ''....Adebayo or whatever his name was...'' ''....the guy we were going to sign instead of Payne...'' Up to you, but I think most will know who I’m referring to.
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Post by swissgas on Nov 27, 2020 15:39:48 GMT
Can anyone think of a reason why it was announced in June that the club’s debt to Dwane Sports Ltd had been cleared through a capitalisation of the loan when that had not actually taken place ?
And why over five months later, according to Companies House, the loan to Dwane Sports and their charge over the Mem is still in place ?
Has it been decided to abandon the debt clearing exercise and if so why has no announcement been made ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2020 16:00:15 GMT
Can anyone think of a reason why it was announced in June that the club’s debt to Dwane Sports Ltd had been cleared through a capitalisation of the loan when that had not actually taken place ? And why over five months later, according to Companies House, the loan to Dwane Sports and their charge over the Mem is still in place ? Has it been decided to abandon the debt clearing exercise and if so why has no announcement been made ? You have taken the time to research that, so why not take the time to contact the club and ask them the question.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 27, 2020 16:07:19 GMT
Can anyone think of a reason why it was announced in June that the club’s debt to Dwane Sports Ltd had been cleared through a capitalisation of the loan when that had not actually taken place ? And why over five months later, according to Companies House, the loan to Dwane Sports and their charge over the Mem is still in place ? Has it been decided to abandon the debt clearing exercise and if so why has no announcement been made ? I would Guess and i'm not ITK about this, either Covid is having a effect on legal proceedings ( i have first hand knowledge of this ) or the club is about to be sold to the owners of Total Produce
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Post by landrover on Nov 27, 2020 16:16:26 GMT
So Tommy the chief scout thinks, along with Wael and Starnes, that Ben Garner is the way to go. There’s to be a massive change of playing staff in the summer window, as well as a doomed change of style. The manager, having won 2 from 20 matches up til then, is allowed to carry on for a while, until the plug is pulled on him. So Tommy now ends up promoted to Director of Football with no doubt a pay increase to go with it. In the meantime he tells all and sundry how he was responsible for all the decent signings and that the poor signings were down to the managers. He has somehow managed to come out of this debacle smelling of roses. Tiz will need all of his experience to navigate his way through this season.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2020 16:32:07 GMT
So Tommy the chief scout thinks, along with Wael and Starnes, that Ben Garner is the way to go. There’s to be a massive change of playing staff in the summer window, as well as a doomed change of style. The manager, having won 2 from 20 matches up til then, is allowed to carry on for a while, until the plug is pulled on him. So Tommy now ends up promoted to Director of Football with no doubt a pay increase to go with it. In the meantime he tells all and sundry how he was responsible for all the decent signings and that the poor signings were down to the managers. He has somehow managed to come out of this debacle smelling of roses. Tiz will need all of his experience to navigate his way through this season. Pretty much how I see it. I think you can criticise Garner for the style of play, formation and poor game management but considering we have a head of recruitment I am surprised that fans confidently talk of the players being Garner’s signings. I also thought it was interesting that in Widdrington’s interview he confidently spoke of this being the best squad since promotion to league one (so basically it’s the outgoing manager’s fault), just before we failed to beat two of the league’s poorest sides. He’s made a rod for his own back there imo.
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 27, 2020 19:00:04 GMT
So Tommy the chief scout thinks, along with Wael and Starnes, that Ben Garner is the way to go. There’s to be a massive change of playing staff in the summer window, as well as a doomed change of style. The manager, having won 2 from 20 matches up til then, is allowed to carry on for a while, until the plug is pulled on him. So Tommy now ends up promoted to Director of Football with no doubt a pay increase to go with it. In the meantime he tells all and sundry how he was responsible for all the decent signings and that the poor signings were down to the managers. He has somehow managed to come out of this debacle smelling of roses. Tiz will need all of his experience to navigate his way through this season. Pretty much how I see it. I think you can criticise Garner for the style of play, formation and poor game management but considering we have a head of recruitment I am surprised that fans confidently talk of the players being Garner’s signings. I also thought it was interesting that in Widdrington’s interview he confidently spoke of this being the best squad since promotion to league one (so basically it’s the outgoing manager’s fault), just before we failed to beat two of the league’s poorest sides. He’s made a rod for his own back there imo. But Widdrington wasn’t in charge of those 2 games you mentioned...Tisdale was. Are you saying that the squad we have now is worse than the one that got promoted to L1?
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 27, 2020 19:01:45 GMT
Can anyone think of a reason why it was announced in June that the club’s debt to Dwane Sports Ltd had been cleared through a capitalisation of the loan when that had not actually taken place ? And why over five months later, according to Companies House, the loan to Dwane Sports and their charge over the Mem is still in place ? Has it been decided to abandon the debt clearing exercise and if so why has no announcement been made ? Swiss you have beaten that drum on the other forum for months and you still haven’t bothered to ask that question of the club? Why not? Or are you going to avoid that question like the presidents club ignore the one about how many members they have?
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Post by swissgas on Nov 27, 2020 19:55:05 GMT
Can anyone think of a reason why it was announced in June that the club’s debt to Dwane Sports Ltd had been cleared through a capitalisation of the loan when that had not actually taken place ? And why over five months later, according to Companies House, the loan to Dwane Sports and their charge over the Mem is still in place ? Has it been decided to abandon the debt clearing exercise and if so why has no announcement been made ? Swiss you have beaten that drum on the other forum for months and you still haven’t bothered to ask that question of the club? Why not? Or are you going to avoid that question like the presidents club ignore the one about how many members they have? I brought the subject up a couple of times on the other forum but, as on here, I think fans are too embarrassed to talk about it. In September I wrote to Taylor Wessing but they didn’t reply and shortly afterwards the media took up the issue and Martyn Starnes issued a statement to say the matter would be dealt with at the AGM. On September 28th two resolutions were passed at the AGM and these were filed at Companies House on October 13th but nothing then or since has been filed to say the capitalisation has taken place. If it has taken place there is a legal requirement to notify Companies House within 30 days. Now I know many fans will be tempted to retreat into their comfort zone and say to themselves Swissgas is only trying to stir up trouble. But before doing that please consider this issue from another angle. We are in general agreement that Wael needs partners to ensure survival of the football club and eventually realise our stadium dream. There are plenty of suspect characters out there who will chuck a few million into a football club to gain a profile but those deals usually end in failure. What Rovers need are strong credible long term partners and to get those type of people even interested in looking there must be no doubts in their mind about the club operating in a straightforward manner. The loan capitalisation was announced in a fanfare of publicity but it never happened and five months later the club remains silent about it. As Gasheads we may choose to trust, as I do, that nothing untoward has happened and believe it is simply that a mistake has been made. In any other business stakeholders would expect an explanation and in 99% of cases they would receive one but this is Rovers and for whatever reason Gasheads prefer to shy away from difficult issues which might show the club in a bad light. The problem I see is that outsiders will not view it in the same way and the lack of transparency could put off the strong credible long term partners which Rovers need. By the way, as I’ve said before, I have nothing to do with the Supporters Club or Presidents Club and the views expressed are entirely my own.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 27, 2020 20:06:27 GMT
So Tommy the chief scout thinks, along with Wael and Starnes, that Ben Garner is the way to go. There’s to be a massive change of playing staff in the summer window, as well as a doomed change of style. The manager, having won 2 from 20 matches up til then, is allowed to carry on for a while, until the plug is pulled on him. So Tommy now ends up promoted to Director of Football with no doubt a pay increase to go with it. In the meantime he tells all and sundry how he was responsible for all the decent signings and that the poor signings were down to the managers. He has somehow managed to come out of this debacle smelling of roses. Tiz will need all of his experience to navigate his way through this season. You forgot to add "I assume" as I doubt any of us know if TW was backing BG as if Wael decided he was going to support him in the summer there was little TW could do about it? Perhaps "Tiz" asked for a DoF after he had a successful time with Steve Perryman being in that position at Exeter, leaving him to concentrate in managing the team.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2020 20:14:53 GMT
Pretty much how I see it. I think you can criticise Garner for the style of play, formation and poor game management but considering we have a head of recruitment I am surprised that fans confidently talk of the players being Garner’s signings. I also thought it was interesting that in Widdrington’s interview he confidently spoke of this being the best squad since promotion to league one (so basically it’s the outgoing manager’s fault), just before we failed to beat two of the league’s poorest sides. He’s made a rod for his own back there imo. But Widdrington wasn’t in charge of those 2 games you mentioned...Tisdale was. Are you saying that the squad we have now is worse than the one that got promoted to L1? It needs to be proven that it isn’t. Who would your money be on if DC’s l1 Rovers (with Bodin, Taylor et al) played Garner’s/Tisdale’s Rovers? If the current bunch were lucky Jaakkola would keep the score respectable. Coughlan’s side likewise. I’m not sure how anyone could argue that with wins against just Lincoln, Shrewsbury and Northampton that this squad could adequately compete a against both of our previous managers best teams.
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Post by gulfofaden on Nov 27, 2020 20:20:38 GMT
Tommy sounds like a great guy, but I heard once right, he came back to his tent and his monkey had eaten all his fags, so he picked it up, and he threw it in the sea...
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Post by horfield on Nov 27, 2020 20:43:06 GMT
Widdrington's Wikipedia page is worth reading, I think a red top journo might describe it as checkered.
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 27, 2020 21:57:40 GMT
But Widdrington wasn’t in charge of those 2 games you mentioned...Tisdale was. Are you saying that the squad we have now is worse than the one that got promoted to L1? It needs to be proven that it isn’t. Who would your money be on if DC’s l1 Rovers (with Bodin, Taylor et al) played Garner’s/Tisdale’s Rovers? If the current bunch were lucky Jaakkola would keep the score respectable. Coughlan’s side likewise. I’m not sure how anyone could argue that with wins against just Lincoln, Shrewsbury and Northampton that this squad could adequately compete a against both of our previous managers best teams. Well I look at the players we have now and their potential to what we had 3 years ago so let’s state what we do know. None of the players you mentioned hasn’t cut it in the championship have they? Taylor and Harrison outright failed, Bodin has only stayed at Preston this long because he’s been broken for most of it. Lockyer got relegated in his first season with Charlton and everyone else ended up in league 2 or lower after 2 years in league 1. It’s not as if Snakey and Harrison are hardly the leagues top scorers now either is it....and Browner made a sideways move to Pompey and looks very much like he has hit his ceiling there too.
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 27, 2020 22:52:09 GMT
Blimey, sometimes this place is more interesting and funny even than the TV on some nights. 1981 has given a great account of what I think about TW as well. I can’t beat that. But it’s obviously Tommy W’s turn to get flak on here now. Can’t blame GC, nor BG, nor DC so let’s look at TW who appeared (imo) to be doing a decent job and seemed to be a kind of stability in terms of recruitment which is far, far better than poor DC had to deal with more or less on his own. Tis has taken over and it’s pretty unfair to criticise him for the disappointing result at Swindon and the far better display at Wigan with an ok result. So let’s blame TW. People seem to need someone to blame so as we can’t blame Tis let’s have a go at TW and perhaps the recruitment wasn’t as good as it should have been.
Certainly the squad looks unbalanced and we’ve gone from few central midfielders to a large number. No idea whose fault that is. I think swiss on the other place made a very good observation about an inexperienced manager in BG needing some guidance, who manages the manager. Not sure who that should have been, Now that TW has been made DOF perhaps in the future it would be the role of the DOF, but not TWs role before he became DOF I’d have thought. Recruitment is never going to be all good, perhaps the best we can expect is that the successes outnumber the failures. I’m pleased TW is joining the board as DOF, though I suspect his duties and role won’t be that different. It’s good to see Wael surrounding himself with people who are talented in their particular roles and all pushing in the same direction. UTG!
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Nov 27, 2020 23:18:07 GMT
It needs to be proven that it isn’t. Who would your money be on if DC’s l1 Rovers (with Bodin, Taylor et al) played Garner’s/Tisdale’s Rovers? If the current bunch were lucky Jaakkola would keep the score respectable. Coughlan’s side likewise. I’m not sure how anyone could argue that with wins against just Lincoln, Shrewsbury and Northampton that this squad could adequately compete a against both of our previous managers best teams. Well I look at the players we have now and their potential to what we had 3 years ago so let’s state what we do know. None of the players you mentioned hasn’t cut it in the championship have they? Taylor and Harrison outright failed, Bodin has only stayed at Preston this long because he’s been broken for most of it. Lockyer got relegated in his first season with Charlton and everyone else ended up in league 2 or lower after 2 years in league 1. It’s not as if Snakey and Harrison are hardly the leagues top scorers now either is it....and Browner made a sideways move to Pompey and looks very much like he has hit his ceiling there too. The whole of the squad that got promoted was undoubtedly greater than the sum of its parts, which enabled Snake and Bodin to score so freely. Lines was also still influential in that first season back in league 1, which was an important factor along with a settled defence. Who knows where this squad can develop to but it would be a brave man to back against that DC team with the current team at this stage of their development.
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