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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 25, 2020 22:36:24 GMT
Shocking bit of Asthma that. The poor lamb can barely breathe. Still doesn't answer my point Sportsmens achievements are regularly dismissed due to use of drugs, recreational or otherwise. He was a decent player, I've already said that but greatness is about more than that, and for me, as a sportsman he wasnt a great. Comparing athletes to musicians is ridiculous.
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 25, 2020 22:39:57 GMT
Yes a great footballer. RIP
I suspect deciding about who’s the best footballer ever depends largely on your age. I think Pele was the best ever and won 3 World Cups spread over 12 years and was deliberately kicked and injured in the one he didn’t win in ‘66. Those older than me would consider di Stefano and Puskas who I never saw. For Messi to be placed higher than Maradona or Pele would need him to win a World Cup which he won’t. It’s probably old-fashioned but for Maradona to be the greatest he would need to have shown more respect for the game. He saw the game purely about him and what he did. His actions on and off the pitch showed little respect. Pele on the other hand spread the game, played the game in the right spirit despite his treatment in 1966 and was the best player over a long period of time. Not even an argument about it for me, but that’s just my opinion.😉 UTG!
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Post by utg4eva on Nov 25, 2020 22:46:57 GMT
Yes a great footballer. RIP I suspect deciding about who’s the best footballer ever depends largely on your age. I think Pele was the best ever and won 3 World Cups spread over 12 years and was deliberately kicked and injured in the one he didn’t win in ‘66. Those older than me would consider di Stefan and Puskas who I never saw. For Messi to be placed higher than Maradona or Pele would need him to win a World Cup which he won’t. It’s probably old-fashioned but for Maradona to be the greatest he would need to have shown more respect for the game. He saw the game purely about him and what he did. His actions on and off the pitch showed little respect. Pele on the other hand spread the game, played the game in the right spirit despite his treatment in 1966 and was the best player over a long period of time. Not even an argument about it for me, but that’s just my opinion.😉 UTG! Maradonna took a relegation doldrum team to the heights of Europe, won the World Cup single handed. What have you done?
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Post by Okebournegas on Nov 25, 2020 22:49:31 GMT
He cut more lines than a disabled kid at Disney land
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Post by Gastafari on Nov 25, 2020 22:49:33 GMT
Still doesn't answer my point Sportsmens achievements are regularly dismissed due to use of drugs, recreational or otherwise. He was a decent player, I've already said that but greatness is about more than that, and for me, as a sportsman he wasnt a great. Comparing athletes to musicians is ridiculous. It isn't ridiculous. I'm just going by comments like he was "Drugged Up", all I'm saying is that plenty of people are "Drugged Up" while creating Music or other Art, they're still lorded. People have flaws, and mavericks like Maradona have plenty, people mention George Best, as being the greatest player to grace these shores, likewise Gazza like Maradona they also had/have flaws, its what makes their legacy heightened I guess. Their flaws shouldn't be constantly brought up either when talking about them. Maradona didn't take drugs to enhance his performance. As a sportsman he was a great, because his sporting achievments in that 5-6 year period between 85-90 is head and shoulders above what any other Footballer has achieved. That's good enough for me, no need to dismiss it just because he liked a line.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Nov 25, 2020 22:50:58 GMT
Yes a great footballer. RIP I suspect deciding about who’s the best footballer ever depends largely on your age. I think Pele was the best ever and won 3 World Cups spread over 12 years and was deliberately kicked and injured in the one he didn’t win in ‘66. Those older than me would consider di Stefan and Puskas who I never saw. For Messi to be placed higher than Maradona or Pele would need him to win a World Cup which he won’t. It’s probably old-fashioned but for Maradona to be the greatest he would need to have shown more respect for the game. He saw the game purely about him and what he did. His actions on and off the pitch showed little respect. Pele on the other hand spread the game, played the game in the right spirit despite his treatment in 1966 and was the best player over a long period of time. Not even an argument about it for me, but that’s just my opinion.😉 UTG! Maradonna took a relegation doldrum team to the heights of Europe, won the World Cup single handed. What have you done? Let's not tie in opinions about football with our actual lives, thanks, coz it's obviously irrelevant.
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Post by utg4eva on Nov 25, 2020 22:52:03 GMT
Sportsmens achievements are regularly dismissed due to use of drugs, recreational or otherwise. He was a decent player, I've already said that but greatness is about more than that, and for me, as a sportsman he wasnt a great. Comparing athletes to musicians is ridiculous. It isn't ridiculous. I'm just going by comments like he was "Drugged Up", all I'm saying is that plenty of people are "Drugged Up" while creating Music or other Art, they're still lorded. People have flaws, and mavericks like Maradona have plenty, people mention George Best, as being the greatest player to grace these shores, likewise Gazza like Maradona they also had/have flaws, its what makes their legacy heightened I guess. Their flaws shouldn't be dismissed either when talking about them. Maradona didn't take drugs to enhance his performance. As a sportsman he was a great, because his sporting achievments in that 5-6 year period between 85-90 is head and shoulders above what any other Footballer has achieved. That's good enough for me, no need to dismiss it just because he liked a line. If anything he should get extra credit. The drugs would have made everything a hell of a lot harder (so I’ve heard)
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Post by Okebournegas on Nov 25, 2020 22:54:14 GMT
It isn't ridiculous. I'm just going by comments like he was "Drugged Up", all I'm saying is that plenty of people are "Drugged Up" while creating Music or other Art, they're still lorded. People have flaws, and mavericks like Maradona have plenty, people mention George Best, as being the greatest player to grace these shores, likewise Gazza like Maradona they also had/have flaws, its what makes their legacy heightened I guess. Their flaws shouldn't be dismissed either when talking about them. Maradona didn't take drugs to enhance his performance. As a sportsman he was a great, because his sporting achievments in that 5-6 year period between 85-90 is head and shoulders above what any other Footballer has achieved. That's good enough for me, no need to dismiss it just because he liked a line. If anything he should get extra credit. The drugs would have made everything a hell of a lot harder (so I’ve heard) Extra credit ? For doing drugs 😂😂😂😭I’ll try that excuse
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Post by gasstrictband on Nov 25, 2020 23:05:16 GMT
Absolutely incredibly unbelievably technically he was a coke head , his brains was in his feet .
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Nov 25, 2020 23:12:27 GMT
Argentina have announced 3 days of national mourning.
Meanwhile, Colombia has announced national recession.
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 25, 2020 23:21:53 GMT
Yes a great footballer. RIP I suspect deciding about who’s the best footballer ever depends largely on your age. I think Pele was the best ever and won 3 World Cups spread over 12 years and was deliberately kicked and injured in the one he didn’t win in ‘66. Those older than me would consider di Stefan and Puskas who I never saw. For Messi to be placed higher than Maradona or Pele would need him to win a World Cup which he won’t. It’s probably old-fashioned but for Maradona to be the greatest he would need to have shown more respect for the game. He saw the game purely about him and what he did. His actions on and off the pitch showed little respect. Pele on the other hand spread the game, played the game in the right spirit despite his treatment in 1966 and was the best player over a long period of time. Not even an argument about it for me, but that’s just my opinion.😉 UTG! Maradonna took a relegation doldrum team to the heights of Europe, won the World Cup single handed. What have you done?Yes he did, Napoli did well with him. That’s what I said he was a great footballer. Eh? But you’ll have to explain that last one. UTG!
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Nov 25, 2020 23:32:49 GMT
Post by warehamgas on Nov 25, 2020 23:32:49 GMT
Sportsmens achievements are regularly dismissed due to use of drugs, recreational or otherwise. He was a decent player, I've already said that but greatness is about more than that, and for me, as a sportsman he wasnt a great. Comparing athletes to musicians is ridiculous. It isn't ridiculous. I'm just going by comments like he was "Drugged Up", all I'm saying is that plenty of people are "Drugged Up" while creating Music or other Art, they're still lorded. People have flaws, and mavericks like Maradona have plenty, people mention George Best, as being the greatest player to grace these shores, likewise Gazza like Maradona they also had/have flaws, its what makes their legacy heightened I guess. Their flaws shouldn't be constantly brought up either when talking about them. Maradona didn't take drugs to enhance his performance. As a sportsman he was a great, because his sporting achievments in that 5-6 year period between 85-90 is head and shoulders above what any other Footballer has achieved.
That's good enough for me, no need to dismiss it just because he liked a line. He was great during that period. But not head and shoulders above others, nor as great as Pele between 58-70 but as I’ve said it’s all about opinions and the Pele v Maradona over who was the greatest is just an earlier version of the Messi v Renaldo rivalry now. I always go for Pele but there’s no denying Maradona was a great player. UTG!
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Post by Gashead73 on Nov 25, 2020 23:36:32 GMT
F V U K Marodona, cheat and horrible human
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Post by yattongas on Nov 25, 2020 23:43:08 GMT
Sportsmens achievements are regularly dismissed due to use of drugs, recreational or otherwise. He was a decent player, I've already said that but greatness is about more than that, and for me, as a sportsman he wasnt a great. Comparing athletes to musicians is ridiculous. It isn't ridiculous. I'm just going by comments like he was "Drugged Up", all I'm saying is that plenty of people are "Drugged Up" while creating Music or other Art, they're still lorded. People have flaws, and mavericks like Maradona have plenty, people mention George Best, as being the greatest player to grace these shores, likewise Gazza like Maradona they also had/have flaws, its what makes their legacy heightened I guess. Their flaws shouldn't be constantly brought up either when talking about them. Maradona didn't take drugs to enhance his performance. As a sportsman he was a great, because his sporting achievments in that 5-6 year period between 85-90 is head and shoulders above what any other Footballer has achieved. That's good enough for me, no need to dismiss it just because he liked a line. Wasn’t he banned once for taking performance enhancing drugs ? USA 🇺🇸 World Cup ?
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Post by Gastafari on Nov 25, 2020 23:57:33 GMT
It isn't ridiculous. I'm just going by comments like he was "Drugged Up", all I'm saying is that plenty of people are "Drugged Up" while creating Music or other Art, they're still lorded. People have flaws, and mavericks like Maradona have plenty, people mention George Best, as being the greatest player to grace these shores, likewise Gazza like Maradona they also had/have flaws, its what makes their legacy heightened I guess. Their flaws shouldn't be constantly brought up either when talking about them. Maradona didn't take drugs to enhance his performance. As a sportsman he was a great, because his sporting achievments in that 5-6 year period between 85-90 is head and shoulders above what any other Footballer has achieved. That's good enough for me, no need to dismiss it just because he liked a line. Wasn’t he banned once for taking performance enhancing drugs ? USA 🇺🇸 World Cup ? The FIFA World Cup Organising Committe concluded that he didn’t take the drug to enhance his performance. Again good enough for me.
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Post by Westy on Nov 26, 2020 0:24:58 GMT
RIP Diego. You were amazing.... Will be an interesting conversation at the pearly gates as to who exactly that hand belongs to.... Haha I said exactly the same thing over dinner at my mum's earlier 😂
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Post by toddy1953 on Nov 26, 2020 0:27:45 GMT
I suppose it depends what players you watched and the era they played as to where you personally place him in terms of best ever, personally he wouldn’t get into my top 3. As for the goal of the century that people refer to - weak defending for me. If you know he handled the ball into the net, I cannot think why he would then be allowed to run 50 yards + & score again less than 5 min later. Was it Peter Reid or Terry Fenwick that should have chopped him off at the knees around the halfway line - I’m sure the Leeds team of the 70’s wouldn’t have let him get 3 yards. IMO drink / drugs, it’s not for me to judge, for me George Best was the Best I’ve seen & he had his demons too.
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Post by Gasshole on Nov 26, 2020 4:35:36 GMT
I was there that day in the Azteca, incredible footballer. RIP Diego
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 26, 2020 5:51:46 GMT
Wasn’t he banned once for taking performance enhancing drugs ? USA 🇺🇸 World Cup ? The FIFA World Cup Organising Committe concluded that he didn’t take the drug to enhance his performance. Again good enough for me. Ah, FIFA. The bastion of truth and fair play.
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Post by gulfofaden on Nov 26, 2020 7:09:04 GMT
Yes a great footballer. RIP I suspect deciding about who’s the best footballer ever depends largely on your age. I think Pele was the best ever and won 3 World Cups spread over 12 years and was deliberately kicked and injured in the one he didn’t win in ‘66. Those older than me would consider di Stefan and Puskas who I never saw. For Messi to be placed higher than Maradona or Pele would need him to win a World Cup which he won’t. It’s probably old-fashioned but for Maradona to be the greatest he would need to have shown more respect for the game. He saw the game purely about him and what he did. His actions on and off the pitch showed little respect. Pele on the other hand spread the game, played the game in the right spirit despite his treatment in 1966 and was the best player over a long period of time. Not even an argument about it for me, but that’s just my opinion.😉 UTG! Maradonna took a relegation doldrum team to the heights of Europe, won the World Cup single handed. What have you done? I’ve thrown a kettle over a pub, what have you done?
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