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Post by yattongas on Jan 21, 2021 12:53:37 GMT
Oldgas is getting absolutely battered yet he still comes back for more . The Germans must have a word for this ? Haha they do ...... selbst zugefügter Schmerz I see you’ve fallen back n the Lefts tried and trusted tactic of trying to encourage all your mates to gang up on someone who doesn’t agree with you. As for getting battered by you? Do me a favour. It would require someone with considerably more intellect than you to achieve that. I doubt you’d get a job in a chippie, your batterings so poor. You also seem to have a poor memory to compliment your intellect. I thought you weren’t talking to me anymore Snowy. I wish you’d go back to that, I find you boring and tiresome. 😁🤞it’s a deal my little wacist friend |
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Post by oldgas on Jan 21, 2021 13:50:39 GMT
Thats right, and we trade with them massively. I doubt many electrical items at Curry’s have been made anywhere other than China, and we hold our noses and ignore their despotic criminal behaviour because they’re cheap and we don’t want to be accused of being racist. We even send them Foreign Aid, FFS. What’s that all about? And because we didn’t want to offend them, when their chief criminal made a state visit when that shitbag Cameron was PM, the govt made the Metropolitan Police quell any demonstrations against the Chinese regime whilst he was here. Compare that with the demonstrations and lawlessness when Trump visited a couple of years ago. I think there is (at least a political sense) a want to be seen to drag China (and other countries) up, where as Trump was being seen to drag the U.S down. I didn’t know Trump had imprisoned a couple of million Uiger Moslems in re-education camps in the US. He managed to keep that quiet, along with annexing Tibet. fair play. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 21, 2021 13:57:09 GMT
This sums things up perfectly. The only positive in my view is it seems some of the people now complaining seem to have been well documented previously dismissing the very things they are now angry about. “B-b-b-but we knew what we voted for” It’s becoming very apparent that they didn’t. Clarification here now, sort of...., erm Schengen and Boris perchance?? " "I would have preferred reform, which was asked for by us before the referendum and was turned down by the then president of the EU. "I do think our government should have made the easing of restrictions for musicians and actors a higher priority. "Every tour, individual actors and musicians should be treated as any other 'Goods' at the point of entry to the EU with one set of paperwork. "Switzerland has borders with five EU countries, and trade is electronically frictionless. Why not us?" " news.sky.com/story/roger-daltrey-responds-to-backlash-over-post-brexit-music-touring-comments-12194421 |
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Post by oldgas on Jan 21, 2021 13:57:40 GMT
I thought Diplomatic privileges were only extended to other sovereign nations. The EU isn’t a sovereign nation, it is, as you Remainers have explained in God knows how many posts over the past year or so, a benevolent and loose collection of European nations with no intention of total political, legal and financial harmonisation. You cant have it both ways. Not a sovereign nation, no, but many countries provide diplomatic status anyway (see article in my previous post). However the EU is made up of Sovereign nations, all of whom will have full Diplomatic representation in this country. As the EU is such a benevolent organisation with no agenda to form a European superstate with an over-arching Parliament, with total control of its members Laws, currency and trading, to say nothing of vaccine procurement, why on earth should it expect full Diplomatic privilege? As I say, you can’t have it both ways. |
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Post by oldgas on Jan 21, 2021 14:02:16 GMT
The only positive in my view is it seems some of the people now complaining seem to have been well documented previously dismissing the very things they are now angry about. “B-b-b-but we knew what we voted for” It’s becoming very apparent that they didn’t. Clarification here now, sort of...., erm Schengen and Boris perchance?? " "I would have preferred reform, which was asked for by us before the referendum and was turned down by the then president of the EU. "I do think our government should have made the easing of restrictions for musicians and actors a higher priority. "Every tour, individual actors and musicians should be treated as any other 'Goods' at the point of entry to the EU with one set of paperwork. "Switzerland has borders with five EU countries, and trade is electronically frictionless. Why not us?" " news.sky.com/story/roger-daltrey-responds-to-backlash-over-post-brexit-music-touring-comments-12194421It’s quite apparent that the EU are using everything they can to punish and hinder us because they’re outraged at a Sovereign nation standing up to them, and at the vast amounts of money they will no longer be able to extract from us every year. I can’t think why anyone would want to be part of such a ruthless, bullying organisation. I read somewhere that French politicians have admitted that if they had a referendum now, the French people would vote to leave the EU. France is one of the main beneficiaries of the EU, yet her people hate it. |
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Post by peterparker on Jan 21, 2021 14:09:03 GMT
Clarification here now, sort of...., erm Schengen and Boris perchance?? " "I would have preferred reform, which was asked for by us before the referendum and was turned down by the then president of the EU. "I do think our government should have made the easing of restrictions for musicians and actors a higher priority. "Every tour, individual actors and musicians should be treated as any other 'Goods' at the point of entry to the EU with one set of paperwork. "Switzerland has borders with five EU countries, and trade is electronically frictionless. Why not us?" " news.sky.com/story/roger-daltrey-responds-to-backlash-over-post-brexit-music-touring-comments-12194421It’s quite apparent that the EU are using everything they can to punish and hinder us because they’re outraged at a Sovereign nation standing up to them, and at the vast amounts of money they will no longer be able to extract from us every year. I can’t think why anyone would want to be part of such a ruthless, bullying organisation. I read somewhere that French politicians have admitted that if they had a referendum now, the French people would vote to leave the EU. France is one of the main beneficiaries of the EU, yet her people hate it. The EU offered it up for musicians. The UK turned the EU down |
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Post by oldgas on Jan 21, 2021 14:21:41 GMT
I wonder how many of those food vouchers will be converted into fags and booze? Having worked as a manager in a supermarket for 5 years back in 2015, I can tell you that’s it’s not possible. The till wouldn’t accept the voucher being scanned. Coupons are highly controlled as they hold monetary value. The cashier would most certainly face strong disciplinary action if they had somehow allowed it. But don’t let that get in the way of your classist ideology though. Once a Tory, eh? I can’t find anything that categorically says these vouchers, paper or e, can only be used to buy food. The advice I sent they shouldn’t be used to purchase age-restricted items or electrical goods. In any case, how would this be policed in the real world? If a customer rocks up at the till with a trolley full of goods containing some food but also cases of booze, electrical items and at the till buys a 200 pack of cigarettes with a total value of £100, then in payment offers £70 and £30 worth of vouchers, what’s anyone going to do about that? True, the food may come to approaching £30, I assume no change is given against vouchers, but what about the fact that person can afford all that booze, fags etc? Are they going to be told they can’t have the non-food stuff? This system is open to abuse, in so many ways. I work in a Revenue Protection role and you wouldn’t believe how many ways enterprising people invent to get around paying. The only way to protect the tax payer, who’s funding all this, And May be struggling financially as well, is to give these families food boxes. If some of the suppliers are falling short, and still no-one has been able to evidence how big a problem there is, they should be sanctioned and ‘encouraged’ to do it right, or have the contract withdrawn. I don’t want to see any child go hungry, but there is a significant number of people who will cheat and milk the system for their own advantage in any way they can. Any government has a duty to do everything to ensure that doesn’t happen to taxpayers money. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 21, 2021 14:26:18 GMT
Clarification here now, sort of...., erm Schengen and Boris perchance?? " "I would have preferred reform, which was asked for by us before the referendum and was turned down by the then president of the EU. "I do think our government should have made the easing of restrictions for musicians and actors a higher priority. "Every tour, individual actors and musicians should be treated as any other 'Goods' at the point of entry to the EU with one set of paperwork. "Switzerland has borders with five EU countries, and trade is electronically frictionless. Why not us?" " news.sky.com/story/roger-daltrey-responds-to-backlash-over-post-brexit-music-touring-comments-12194421It’s quite apparent that the EU are using everything they can to punish and hinder us because they’re outraged at a Sovereign nation standing up to them, and at the vast amounts of money they will no longer be able to extract from us every year. I can’t think why anyone would want to be part of such a ruthless, bullying organisation. I read somewhere that French politicians have admitted that if they had a referendum now, the French people would vote to leave the EU. France is one of the main beneficiaries of the EU, yet her people hate it. Do you really not understand this? |
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Post by Gassy on Jan 21, 2021 14:37:28 GMT
Having worked as a manager in a supermarket for 5 years back in 2015, I can tell you that’s it’s not possible. The till wouldn’t accept the voucher being scanned. Coupons are highly controlled as they hold monetary value. The cashier would most certainly face strong disciplinary action if they had somehow allowed it. But don’t let that get in the way of your classist ideology though. Once a Tory, eh? I can’t find anything that categorically says these vouchers, paper or e, can only be used to buy food. The advice I sent they shouldn’t be used to purchase age-restricted items or electrical goods. In any case, how would this be policed in the real world? If a customer rocks up at the till with a trolley full of goods containing some food but also cases of booze, electrical items and at the till buys a 200 pack of cigarettes with a total value of £100, then in payment offers £70 and £30 worth of vouchers, what’s anyone going to do about that? True, the food may come to approaching £30, I assume no change is given against vouchers, but what about the fact that person can afford all that booze, fags etc? Are they going to be told they can’t have the non-food stuff? This system is open to abuse, in so many ways. I work in a Revenue Protection role and you wouldn’t believe how many ways enterprising people invent to get around paying. The only way to protect the tax payer, who’s funding all this, And May be struggling financially as well, is to give these families food boxes. If some of the suppliers are falling short, and still no-one has been able to evidence how big a problem there is, they should be sanctioned and ‘encouraged’ to do it right, or have the contract withdrawn. I don’t want to see any child go hungry, but there is a significant number of people who will cheat and milk the system for their own advantage in any way they can. Any government has a duty to do everything to ensure that doesn’t happen to taxpayers money. Government website says, "Vouchers must not be used for age-restricted items, such as alcohol, cigarettes or lottery tickets.". I would assume that those signing up will only allow the vouchers to be used, providing the minimum satisfactory cost is met. On your 2nd paragraph, a weird made up and unlikely scenario but sure we can explore. Yes, if the food part of the shop reaches £30 then they'll be able to use the £30. If you would like to consider that as paying for cigarettes & booze, feel free. But the money will be redeemed against the food. And you're correct, no money will ever be exchanged for vouchers. If the food shop came to say £29 they would be told to pay the £30 themselves or buy something else for £1 (in this scenario) because the till would literally not allow the voucher to be scanned/redeemed. As for the last part on whether they'd be told they can't have it - of course not. It's not the cashier's job to deal with the government scheme, nor is it their right (morally or legally) to say you can't buy something because you receive some form of benefits. Ultimately, in this scenario if they can spend £70 on electronics, booze and 200 fags (btw I want to shop where you're shopping, sounds a f*cking bargain!!!) then they can spend that with or without the £30. If you're wanting to speak morally about someone now not having to buy food, which gives them more income for buying things for themselves, then yes I'd agree with you. And you're right the system is completely up for abuse. Been out of retail for quite a while now so can't say how the vouchers on this scheme worked, but hopefully they were strict vouchers like the 'eat healthy' ones we used to receive (people on a low income with children). If the vouchers were gift cards then gold help us all, you can buy anything you want with a gift card. I do agree that food boxes are a safer way to go, but it needs to be better controlled. Some of what we've seen is an absolute disgrace and the company and government together should be ashamed. Honestly, they'd be better off giving people a gift voucher of £30 to use for companies like Hello Fresh, Gusto etc. That way its actually much safer & both boxes are ticked that they can get a food delivery, choose their own vendor & choose their own meals. |
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Post by yattongas on Jan 21, 2021 15:15:07 GMT
I thought leaving the EU was in order to look after our own first ? Yet we have a brexit voter getting a bee in his bonnet about possible fraud relating to £30 food vouchers .
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Post by yattongas on Jan 21, 2021 18:50:14 GMT
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Post by peterparker on Jan 21, 2021 19:59:10 GMT
I think this translates to Get Tae f**k
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Post by oldgas on Jan 21, 2021 20:23:17 GMT
It’s quite apparent that the EU are using everything they can to punish and hinder us because they’re outraged at a Sovereign nation standing up to them, and at the vast amounts of money they will no longer be able to extract from us every year. I can’t think why anyone would want to be part of such a ruthless, bullying organisation. I read somewhere that French politicians have admitted that if they had a referendum now, the French people would vote to leave the EU. France is one of the main beneficiaries of the EU, yet her people hate it. Do you really not understand this? What I do understand is that the EU is acting like a schoolyard bully. Why would anyone voluntarily belong to an organisation like that. Look how they treated Greece, how they abandoned Italy in the early days of Covid. I would hope that you Remainers would show a bit more spine and be prepared to stand up to these arrogant bastards, rather than bend the knee to them. |
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Post by oldgas on Jan 21, 2021 20:26:48 GMT
There’s a Snowflake on here who doesn’t appear to understand the concept of ignoring and not responding to someone he can’t get the better of in an argument.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 21, 2021 21:13:48 GMT
Do you really not understand this? What I do understand is that the EU is acting like a schoolyard bully. Why would anyone voluntarily belong to an organisation like that. Look how they treated Greece, how they abandoned Italy in the early days of Covid. I would hope that you Remainers would show a bit more spine and be prepared to stand up to these arrogant bastards, rather than bend the knee to them. In what way am I bending my knee? Next time I travel to France should I sneak in a picnic? 😀 I know how to stand up to arrogant people, I've been doing that for years. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2021 22:25:19 GMT
Clarification here now, sort of...., erm Schengen and Boris perchance?? " "I would have preferred reform, which was asked for by us before the referendum and was turned down by the then president of the EU. "I do think our government should have made the easing of restrictions for musicians and actors a higher priority. "Every tour, individual actors and musicians should be treated as any other 'Goods' at the point of entry to the EU with one set of paperwork. "Switzerland has borders with five EU countries, and trade is electronically frictionless. Why not us?" " news.sky.com/story/roger-daltrey-responds-to-backlash-over-post-brexit-music-touring-comments-12194421It’s quite apparent that the EU are using everything they can to punish and hinder us because they’re outraged at a Sovereign nation standing up to them, and at the vast amounts of money they will no longer be able to extract from us every year. I can’t think why anyone would want to be part of such a ruthless, bullying organisation. I read somewhere that French politicians have admitted that if they had a referendum now, the French people would vote to leave the EU. France is one of the main beneficiaries of the EU, yet her people hate it. I’d rather have humane working conditions to be honest. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2021 22:31:26 GMT
Another useful idiot waking up to the realisation that the elites are laughing at him and mocking his industry because they have got his vote and now they don’t need him anymore. Maybe he can re-train as a ballerina to replace the one that’s going to be a cyber-security expert? Anyway, no sympathy from me, he’s f**ked it for himself and for every other worker in the U.K. who is now going to see their employment rights further eroded (when we have the worst protections in the EU to start with). Good luck down the job centre matey. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2021 22:33:38 GMT
Also there is a really apt quote in that Twitter thread:
"'I never thought leopards would eat MY face,' sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party."
Quite.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2021 22:43:51 GMT
Having worked as a manager in a supermarket for 5 years back in 2015, I can tell you that’s it’s not possible. The till wouldn’t accept the voucher being scanned. Coupons are highly controlled as they hold monetary value. The cashier would most certainly face strong disciplinary action if they had somehow allowed it. But don’t let that get in the way of your classist ideology though. Once a Tory, eh? I can’t find anything that categorically says these vouchers, paper or e, can only be used to buy food. The advice I sent they shouldn’t be used to purchase age-restricted items or electrical goods. In any case, how would this be policed in the real world? If a customer rocks up at the till with a trolley full of goods containing some food but also cases of booze, electrical items and at the till buys a 200 pack of cigarettes with a total value of £100, then in payment offers £70 and £30 worth of vouchers, what’s anyone going to do about that? True, the food may come to approaching £30, I assume no change is given against vouchers, but what about the fact that person can afford all that booze, fags etc? Are they going to be told they can’t have the non-food stuff? This system is open to abuse, in so many ways. I work in a Revenue Protection role and you wouldn’t believe how many ways enterprising people invent to get around paying. The only way to protect the tax payer, who’s funding all this, And May be struggling financially as well, is to give these families food boxes. If some of the suppliers are falling short, and still no-one has been able to evidence how big a problem there is, they should be sanctioned and ‘encouraged’ to do it right, or have the contract withdrawn. I don’t want to see any child go hungry, but there is a significant number of people who will cheat and milk the system for their own advantage in any way they can. Any government has a duty to do everything to ensure that doesn’t happen to taxpayers money. From what I understand Gassy is right: it’s an urban legend, but let’s entertain the idea for just a brief second that it might be true. Are there any other explanations? These vouchers are for specific supermarkets, what do you do as a parent if you have to pay for a bus or a taxi to get to the supermarket where you can use the vouchers? Ooh I don’t know, perhaps you could use your loaf and sell those vouchers to a relative so you can buy food for your kid and they can use those vouchers to buy items that aren’t part of the school meal provision. The problem with this story is people are desperate to believe the narrative about feckless parents because it helps them avoid the uncomfortable truth that there are people and even children in society who are vulnerable and it’s not because of their life choices. By stigmatising them as feckless we can paint them as the architects of their own misery, sling them in the bin marked “human natural wastage” and we can carry on justifying to ourselves that neo-liberal survival of the fittest is a fair and just economic model on which to run a society. If people fall through the cracks, it’s all their fault for being poor in the first place right? They probably came out of the womb clutching 20 Mayfair and swigging from a bottle of Checkov vodka. |
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