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Post by oldgas on Jan 21, 2021 22:50:34 GMT
I can’t find anything that categorically says these vouchers, paper or e, can only be used to buy food. The advice I sent they shouldn’t be used to purchase age-restricted items or electrical goods. In any case, how would this be policed in the real world? If a customer rocks up at the till with a trolley full of goods containing some food but also cases of booze, electrical items and at the till buys a 200 pack of cigarettes with a total value of £100, then in payment offers £70 and £30 worth of vouchers, what’s anyone going to do about that? True, the food may come to approaching £30, I assume no change is given against vouchers, but what about the fact that person can afford all that booze, fags etc? Are they going to be told they can’t have the non-food stuff? This system is open to abuse, in so many ways. I work in a Revenue Protection role and you wouldn’t believe how many ways enterprising people invent to get around paying. The only way to protect the tax payer, who’s funding all this, And May be struggling financially as well, is to give these families food boxes. If some of the suppliers are falling short, and still no-one has been able to evidence how big a problem there is, they should be sanctioned and ‘encouraged’ to do it right, or have the contract withdrawn. I don’t want to see any child go hungry, but there is a significant number of people who will cheat and milk the system for their own advantage in any way they can. Any government has a duty to do everything to ensure that doesn’t happen to taxpayers money. From what I understand Gassy is right: it’s an urban legend, but let’s entertain the idea for just a brief second that it might be true. Are there any other explanations? These vouchers are for specific supermarkets, what do you do as a parent if you have to pay for a bus or a taxi to get to the supermarket where you can use the vouchers? Ooh I don’t know, perhaps you could use your loaf and sell those vouchers to a relative so you can buy food for your kid and they can use those vouchers to buy items that aren’t part of the school meal provision. The problem with this story is people are desperate to believe the narrative about feckless parents because it helps them avoid the uncomfortable truth that there are people and even children in society who are vulnerable and it’s not because of their life choices. By stigmatising them as feckless we can paint them as the architects of their own misery, sling them in the bin marked “human natural wastage” and we can carry on justifying to ourselves that neo-liberal survival of the fittest is a fair and just economic model on which to run a society. If people fall through the cracks, it’s all their fault for being poor in the first place right? They probably came out of the womb clutching 20 Mayfair and swigging from a bottle of Checkov vodka. What a complete pile of unadulterated crap. If this country is so poor at looking after its own, if there’s so little money and help to go around, you must surely support the cancellation of Foreign Aid. If, after all, we can’t support our own needy, it must be a priority to divert all available charity money to alleviate domestic problems first. |
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Post by yattongas on Jan 21, 2021 22:59:59 GMT
Another useful idiot waking up to the realisation that the elites are laughing at him and mocking his industry because they have got his vote and now they don’t need him anymore. Maybe he can re-train as a ballerina to replace the one that’s going to be a cyber-security expert? Anyway, no sympathy from me, he’s f**ked it for himself and for every other worker in the U.K. who is now going to see their employment rights further eroded (when we have the worst protections in the EU to start with). Good luck down the job centre matey. Yet we’ve still got dullards on here saying what a great deal we got on fish 🎣 🙄 |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Jan 21, 2021 23:31:09 GMT
Also there is a really apt quote in that Twitter thread: "'I never thought leopards would eat MY face,' sobs woman who voted for the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party." Quite. One of my personal favourites that. I have referred to the leopards on here on occasion. I'm with you, I have not the slightest bit of sympathy. Tough luck pal, you lie in the bed you make. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 1:59:38 GMT
From what I understand Gassy is right: it’s an urban legend, but let’s entertain the idea for just a brief second that it might be true. Are there any other explanations? These vouchers are for specific supermarkets, what do you do as a parent if you have to pay for a bus or a taxi to get to the supermarket where you can use the vouchers? Ooh I don’t know, perhaps you could use your loaf and sell those vouchers to a relative so you can buy food for your kid and they can use those vouchers to buy items that aren’t part of the school meal provision. The problem with this story is people are desperate to believe the narrative about feckless parents because it helps them avoid the uncomfortable truth that there are people and even children in society who are vulnerable and it’s not because of their life choices. By stigmatising them as feckless we can paint them as the architects of their own misery, sling them in the bin marked “human natural wastage” and we can carry on justifying to ourselves that neo-liberal survival of the fittest is a fair and just economic model on which to run a society. If people fall through the cracks, it’s all their fault for being poor in the first place right? They probably came out of the womb clutching 20 Mayfair and swigging from a bottle of Checkov vodka. What a complete pile of unadulterated crap. If this country is so poor at looking after its own, if there’s so little money and help to go around, you must surely support the cancellation of Foreign Aid. If, after all, we can’t support our own needy, it must be a priority to divert all available charity money to alleviate domestic problems first. Of course, we’ve got Indian charities setting up in the U.K. to feed our kids, Ethiopia is on the verge of writing us a charity single to feed the U.K. next Christmas because the boot is now well and truly on the other foot. Under those conditions we need to can foreign aid and that’s before you factor in coronavirus. But, the big question is where is the saved foreign aid money going? Just like you and your distrust of the poor not to water their money away on their booze and fag addiction do we trust the government not to spunk it away on their highly publicised contracts for mates addiction? I don’t. That foreign aid money will sneak out the back door via this government and end up in a Tory donor’s back pocket. So with that in mind, we may as well just give it in foreign aid. I’d rather it goes there than in a crony’s back pocket. Hey, maybe we could give it to our genocidal friends? As for “pile of unadulterated crap” and being “too poor to look after our own” I invite you to read “The Precariat” by Guy Standing. It does a great job of articulating the many reasons this country (and others) have gone to the dogs by chasing the neo-liberal dream that has resulted in the enrichment of the few at the expense of the many and in its wake spawned an underclass (the precariat) of up and coming youth and millennials who will only ever have insecurity to look forward to in their lives because western economies are now built around complete flexibility in the work force which drives down wages, limits career opportunity and exacerbates inequality. Brexit is most certainly going to do nothing to reverse that trajectory especially with the Tories making it clear they are looking to abolish the working time directive. |
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Post by trevorgas on Jan 22, 2021 7:52:47 GMT
A lot of what we are hearing will be down to bedding in new process/procedures due to the late agreement of a deal and many businesses not getting up to speed in time. Obiviously increased process to import/export is not a desired outcome however,it will improve and this will be a starting point as the whole system will be improved . It's not in anyone's intrest to hamper trade and once everyone's bruised ego's are mended I would expect both sides to sit down and work hard to eliminate unnecessary beaucracy. |
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Post by peterparker on Jan 22, 2021 9:17:06 GMT
A lot of what we are hearing will be down to bedding in new process/procedures due to the late agreement of a deal and many businesses not getting up to speed in time. Obiviously increased process to import/export is not a desired outcome however,it will improve and this will be a starting point as the whole system will be improved . It's not in anyone's intrest to hamper trade and once everyone's bruised ego's are mended I would expect both sides to sit down and work hard to eliminate unnecessary beaucracy.That's the thing though. Isn't that what a lot of what the arguments have been for the past 4/5 years? . Part of the business I work for, like many others has stopped selling to the EU. Even if bureaucracy was streamlined, It's still arguably going to add cost to British exports especially if we are talking about rules of origin. The longer we are away from the EU, the EU are going to be more wary of what is, or isn't coming into their territory unless we sign up to LPF, single market, etc, etc edit. Even if we do settle down and get sorted how many businesses, people will have been adversely affected and will it be too late for them |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 22, 2021 9:35:54 GMT
A lot of what we are hearing will be down to bedding in new process/procedures due to the late agreement of a deal and many businesses not getting up to speed in time. Obiviously increased process to import/export is not a desired outcome however,it will improve and this will be a starting point as the whole system will be improved . It's not in anyone's intrest to hamper trade and once everyone's bruised ego's are mended I would expect both sides to sit down and work hard to eliminate unnecessary beaucracy. I agree things will settle down and get used to a new normal. Not sure that there will be that much bureaucracy that could be reduced though. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 22, 2021 10:17:33 GMT
"A leading skateboard distributor has set up another business in the Netherlands to avoid paying tax twice on exports after Brexit. Shiner's operations director said it would spend about £530,000 operating a base outside Rotterdam. Some firms said current custom systems were "not fit for purpose", causing significant delays at the border." www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-55723672 |
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Post by oldgas on Jan 22, 2021 10:24:11 GMT
What a complete pile of unadulterated crap. If this country is so poor at looking after its own, if there’s so little money and help to go around, you must surely support the cancellation of Foreign Aid. If, after all, we can’t support our own needy, it must be a priority to divert all available charity money to alleviate domestic problems first. Of course, we’ve got Indian charities setting up in the U.K. to feed our kids, Ethiopia is on the verge of writing us a charity single to feed the U.K. next Christmas because the boot is now well and truly on the other foot. Under those conditions we need to can foreign aid and that’s before you factor in coronavirus. But, the big question is where is the saved foreign aid money going? Just like you and your distrust of the poor not to Wee wee their money away on their booze and fag addiction do we trust the government not to spunk it away on their highly publicised contracts for mates addiction? I don’t. That foreign aid money will sneak out the back door via this government and end up in a Tory donor’s back pocket. So with that in mind, we may as well just give it in foreign aid. I’d rather it goes there than in a crony’s back pocket. Hey, maybe we could give it to our genocidal friends? As for “pile of unadulterated crap” and being “too poor to look after our own” I invite you to read “The Precariat” by Guy Standing. It does a great job of articulating the many reasons this country (and others) have gone to the dogs by chasing the neo-liberal dream that has resulted in the enrichment of the few at the expense of the many and in its wake spawned an underclass (the precariat) of up and coming youth and millennials who will only ever have insecurity to look forward to in their lives because western economies are now built around complete flexibility in the work force which drives down wages, limits career opportunity and exacerbates inequality. Brexit is most certainly going to do nothing to reverse that trajectory especially with the Tories making it clear they are looking to abolish the working time directive. Directly lifted from the Jeremy Corbyn economic model for a fully socialist Britain! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 10:28:48 GMT
Of course, we’ve got Indian charities setting up in the U.K. to feed our kids, Ethiopia is on the verge of writing us a charity single to feed the U.K. next Christmas because the boot is now well and truly on the other foot. Under those conditions we need to can foreign aid and that’s before you factor in coronavirus. But, the big question is where is the saved foreign aid money going? Just like you and your distrust of the poor not to Wee wee their money away on their booze and fag addiction do we trust the government not to spunk it away on their highly publicised contracts for mates addiction? I don’t. That foreign aid money will sneak out the back door via this government and end up in a Tory donor’s back pocket. So with that in mind, we may as well just give it in foreign aid. I’d rather it goes there than in a crony’s back pocket. Hey, maybe we could give it to our genocidal friends? As for “pile of unadulterated crap” and being “too poor to look after our own” I invite you to read “The Precariat” by Guy Standing. It does a great job of articulating the many reasons this country (and others) have gone to the dogs by chasing the neo-liberal dream that has resulted in the enrichment of the few at the expense of the many and in its wake spawned an underclass (the precariat) of up and coming youth and millennials who will only ever have insecurity to look forward to in their lives because western economies are now built around complete flexibility in the work force which drives down wages, limits career opportunity and exacerbates inequality. Brexit is most certainly going to do nothing to reverse that trajectory especially with the Tories making it clear they are looking to abolish the working time directive. Directly lifted from the Jeremy Corbyn economic model for a fully socialist Britain! Ignoring what is manifestly a huge problem in the UK results in driving people to political extremes. At our peril. |
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Post by oldgas on Jan 22, 2021 10:38:35 GMT
Directly lifted from the Jeremy Corbyn economic model for a fully socialist Britain! Ignoring what is manifestly a huge problem in the UK results in driving people to political extremes. At our peril. Agreed. You’d probably have to go to Venezuela to find a political organisation more extreme than the views and ideals espoused by Corbyn. Time will tell if Labour will become a reasonable and moderate alternative government option. The problem is that whilst they may have cut off one head of the Hydra, there are plenty of Left Wing lunatics waiting to step up. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 11:45:15 GMT
Ignoring what is manifestly a huge problem in the UK results in driving people to political extremes. At our peril. Agreed. You’d probably have to go to Venezuela to find a political organisation more extreme than the views and ideals espoused by Corbyn. Time will tell if Labour will become a reasonable and moderate alternative government option. The problem is that whilst they may have cut off one head of the Hydra, there are plenty of Left Wing lunatics waiting to step up. Corbyn was a left over from the policies of the late 60s and 70s. They were long withered on the vine. However the identification of the issues at hand was broadly correct. It is these issues that need to be addressed. Failure to do so pushes people to the extremes, the fear I have is extremes to the right of what we, perhaps, accept as mainstream. America has just brushed with this. Once that takes hold then National Socialism is but a breath away. Careful what you wish for |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 22, 2021 12:36:41 GMT
From the DM so apologies in advance. "High Street retailers and luxury brands may burn items returned by EU customers that are now stuck in European warehouses rather than bringing them back to the UK to avoid the cost and hassle of Brexit red tape. Although the terms of the free trade deal mean there are no tariffs or quotas, the small print of the deal imposes new red tape and charges for goods being moved across the border. Customs clearance charges must now be paid, while many couriers also add on postal or handling fees to account for the extra paperwork they now need to process. VAT rules mean that customers buying online face paying twice - the UK rate and also that in the country where the website is based. Some goods may need a rules of origin document. And once they arrive at the ports, there are new checks by officials which also slow down the transport process. The extra time taken for goods to cross the border means some shipments have been delayed. That means that in addition to extra fees at the border goods are also taking longer to travel from retailer to customer - complicating the situation further." www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9175275/High-Street-retailers-luxury-brands-BURNING-dumping-EU-products.html?utm_source=upday.samsung.browser&utm_medium=referral |
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Post by oldgas on Jan 22, 2021 13:39:17 GMT
Agreed. You’d probably have to go to Venezuela to find a political organisation more extreme than the views and ideals espoused by Corbyn. Time will tell if Labour will become a reasonable and moderate alternative government option. The problem is that whilst they may have cut off one head of the Hydra, there are plenty of Left Wing lunatics waiting to step up.t gone away or Corbyn was a left over from the policies of the late 60s and 70s. They were long withered on the vine. However the identification of the issues at hand was broadly correct. It is these issues that need to be addressed. Failure to do so pushes people to the extremes, the fear I have is extremes to the right of what we, perhaps, accept as mainstream. America has just brushed with this. Once that takes hold then National Socialism is but a breath away. Careful what you wish for Oldie, I don't think you can compare the modern day Conservative party with the far right! They're hardly middle of the road these days. When you consider that Starmer was busy trying to get the leave vote overturned when he was Labours BREXIT spokesperson I rather think he is more likely to be dangerous left wing than the Tory being far right. The Corbyn element hasn't gone away or been excised; they've just gone quiet and are lying low, waiting their chance. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 13:56:35 GMT
Directly lifted from the Jeremy Corbyn economic model for a fully socialist Britain! Ignoring what is manifestly a huge problem in the UK results in driving people to political extremes. At our peril. Yep, the book covers that (although I’m not that far in yet) and it was interesting to note that some of the reviews mentioned how prescient it was as even though it was written around 2013 using the 2008 crash as a basis for it’s economic deductions it seemed to accurately predict the rising of Trump’s popularity and the economic conditions under which that happened. In other words, a growing class of precarious people can present big political problems if allowed to snowball. But y’know, oldgas is reading straight from the “I’m alright Jack!” playbook and that’s neat and drink to his Tory masters as they thieve money from the public purse with impunity. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 13:57:52 GMT
Of course, we’ve got Indian charities setting up in the U.K. to feed our kids, Ethiopia is on the verge of writing us a charity single to feed the U.K. next Christmas because the boot is now well and truly on the other foot. Under those conditions we need to can foreign aid and that’s before you factor in coronavirus. But, the big question is where is the saved foreign aid money going? Just like you and your distrust of the poor not to Wee wee their money away on their booze and fag addiction do we trust the government not to spunk it away on their highly publicised contracts for mates addiction? I don’t. That foreign aid money will sneak out the back door via this government and end up in a Tory donor’s back pocket. So with that in mind, we may as well just give it in foreign aid. I’d rather it goes there than in a crony’s back pocket. Hey, maybe we could give it to our genocidal friends? As for “pile of unadulterated crap” and being “too poor to look after our own” I invite you to read “The Precariat” by Guy Standing. It does a great job of articulating the many reasons this country (and others) have gone to the dogs by chasing the neo-liberal dream that has resulted in the enrichment of the few at the expense of the many and in its wake spawned an underclass (the precariat) of up and coming youth and millennials who will only ever have insecurity to look forward to in their lives because western economies are now built around complete flexibility in the work force which drives down wages, limits career opportunity and exacerbates inequality. Brexit is most certainly going to do nothing to reverse that trajectory especially with the Tories making it clear they are looking to abolish the working time directive. Directly lifted from the Jeremy Corbyn economic model for a fully socialist Britain! Care to argue the points raised? Or is it too far above your pay grade? 😉 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 14:01:56 GMT
Corbyn was a left over from the policies of the late 60s and 70s. They were long withered on the vine. However the identification of the issues at hand was broadly correct. It is these issues that need to be addressed. Failure to do so pushes people to the extremes, the fear I have is extremes to the right of what we, perhaps, accept as mainstream. America has just brushed with this. Once that takes hold then National Socialism is but a breath away. Careful what you wish for Oldie, I don't think you can compare the modern day Conservative party with the far right! They're hardly middle of the road these days. When you consider that Starmer was busy trying to get the leave vote overturned when he was Labours BREXIT spokesperson I rather think he is more likely to be dangerous left wing than the Tory being far right. The Corbyn element hasn't gone away or been excised; they've just gone quiet and are lying low, waiting their chance. You say that but high profile Tories such as John Major and another lad whose name escapes me have come out recently and said that this is a Tory party in name only, the inference being that this Tory party is as right wing in it’s heartlessness as they have ever been and they have rejected old Tory values. Which is quite something, when you consider their previous reputation for self-serving and yet they call out this lot for being even worse! |
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Post by yattongas on Jan 22, 2021 14:20:07 GMT
The Tory party was hijacked by the Brexit party long ago . They’ve moved much further to the right in recent years .
That’s why we get headbangers spouting crap that the bbc is left wing , all immigration is bad , moaning about food vouchers for kids but not uttering a word about the billions wasted on track & trace , PPE etc .
That’s why they spout complete nonsense about Wokism , Snowflakes , Marxism , Statues , no platforming etc
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