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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 14:46:01 GMT
The Tory party was hijacked by the Brexit party long ago . They’ve moved much further to the right in recent years . That’s why we get headbangers spouting crap that the bbc is left wing , all immigration is bad , moaning about food vouchers for kids but not uttering a word about the billions wasted on track & trace , PPE etc . That’s why they spout complete nonsense about Wokism , Snowflakes , Marxism , Statues , no platforming etc The question is how many votes have they lost since Brexit and the handling of the pandemic? I’d wager it’s not as many as people might think It’s almost Trumpian, the way our politics has gone so loony-right wing. Yet whilst America finally woke up and ousted the glorified man child we seem to be still in the grip of far right politics and probably will be for a while yet. I get the impression people just don’t like Labour and will cite reasons for disliking Labour where the Conservatives are just as bad in their own way yet it all comes back to “at least you know what you get with the Tories”, ie at least they are honest about being venal and racist and don’t try to take the moral high ground unlike Labour. It’s such poor logic- voting for a party primarily because of the faults in their opposition. As I’ve said many times before it feels like Boris could hold some kind of dystopian battle royale (like the film) where the last free school meals child standing is the one who has eaten all the other free school meal kids and he won’t lose a single vote. The way this country is going his popularity would probably increase. I’m so jealous of the joy of the Americans after getting rid of Trump. I wonder if we will ever get real political change in this country? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 15:04:09 GMT
Corbyn was a left over from the policies of the late 60s and 70s. They were long withered on the vine. However the identification of the issues at hand was broadly correct. It is these issues that need to be addressed. Failure to do so pushes people to the extremes, the fear I have is extremes to the right of what we, perhaps, accept as mainstream. America has just brushed with this. Once that takes hold then National Socialism is but a breath away. Careful what you wish for Oldie, I don't think you can compare the modern day Conservative party with the far right! They're hardly middle of the road these days. When you consider that Starmer was busy trying to get the leave vote overturned when he was Labours BREXIT spokesperson I rather think he is more likely to be dangerous left wing than the Tory being far right. The Corbyn element hasn't gone away or been excised; they've just gone quiet and are lying low, waiting their chance. I wasnt, comparing the rump of the Tory party with the far right. But there are elements within the party and indeed in Parliament. But generally they operate at the extremes, but that extreme is drawing closer. Look at the language aimed at middle of the road Tories, traitors etc. This is the thin end of the wedge. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 15:07:48 GMT
The Tory party was hijacked by the Brexit party long ago . They’ve moved much further to the right in recent years . That’s why we get headbangers spouting crap that the bbc is left wing , all immigration is bad , moaning about food vouchers for kids but not uttering a word about the billions wasted on track & trace , PPE etc . That’s why they spout complete nonsense about Wokism , Snowflakes , Marxism , Statues , no platforming etc The question is how many votes have they lost since Brexit and the handling of the pandemic? I’d wager it’s not as many as people might think It’s almost Trumpian, the way our politics has gone so loony-right wing. Yet whilst America finally woke up and ousted the glorified man child we seem to be still in the grip of far right politics and probably will be for a while yet. I get the impression people just don’t like Labour and will cite reasons for disliking Labour where the Conservatives are just as bad in their own way yet it all comes back to “at least you know what you get with the Tories”, ie at least they are honest about being venal and racist and don’t try to take the moral high ground unlike Labour. It’s such poor logic- voting for a party primarily because of the faults in their opposition. As I’ve said many times before it feels like Boris could hold some kind of dystopian battle royale (like the film) where the last free school meals child standing is the one who has eaten all the other free school meal kids and he won’t lose a single vote. The way this country is going his popularity would probably increase. I’m so jealous of the joy of the Americans after getting rid of Trump. I wonder if we will ever get real political change in this country? Given your views on events in America over the last year, do you recognise how Trump was defeated? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 15:09:34 GMT
The Tory party was hijacked by the Brexit party long ago . They’ve moved much further to the right in recent years . That’s why we get headbangers spouting crap that the bbc is left wing , all immigration is bad , moaning about food vouchers for kids but not uttering a word about the billions wasted on track & trace , PPE etc . That’s why they spout complete nonsense about Wokism , Snowflakes , Marxism , Statues , no platforming etc I believe this to be true. Johnson's role being the useful fool. |
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Post by trevorgas on Jan 22, 2021 15:26:32 GMT
A lot of what we are hearing will be down to bedding in new process/procedures due to the late agreement of a deal and many businesses not getting up to speed in time. Obiviously increased process to import/export is not a desired outcome however,it will improve and this will be a starting point as the whole system will be improved . It's not in anyone's intrest to hamper trade and once everyone's bruised ego's are mended I would expect both sides to sit down and work hard to eliminate unnecessary beaucracy.That's the thing though. Isn't that what a lot of what the arguments have been for the past 4/5 years? . Part of the business I work for, like many others has stopped selling to the EU. Even if bureaucracy was streamlined, It's still arguably going to add cost to British exports especially if we are talking about rules of origin. The longer we are away from the EU, the EU are going to be more wary of what is, or isn't coming into their territory unless we sign up to LPF, single market, etc, etc edit. Even if we do settle down and get sorted how many businesses, people will have been adversely affected and will it be too late for them Can't disagree with the above,I think what we as a Country are going to have to do is draw a line and look forward,I appreciate that for those businesses impacted it is a very difficult situation |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 15:37:33 GMT
That's the thing though. Isn't that what a lot of what the arguments have been for the past 4/5 years? . Part of the business I work for, like many others has stopped selling to the EU. Even if bureaucracy was streamlined, It's still arguably going to add cost to British exports especially if we are talking about rules of origin. The longer we are away from the EU, the EU are going to be more wary of what is, or isn't coming into their territory unless we sign up to LPF, single market, etc, etc edit. Even if we do settle down and get sorted how many businesses, people will have been adversely affected and will it be too late for them Can't disagree with the above,I think what we as a Country are going to have to do is draw a line and look forward,I appreciate that for those businesses impacted it is a very difficult situation And swallow the economic impact...for what? |
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Post by trevorgas on Jan 22, 2021 16:22:02 GMT
Can't disagree with the above,I think what we as a Country are going to have to do is draw a line and look forward,I appreciate that for those businesses impacted it is a very difficult situation And swallow the economic impact...for what? Time will tell Les,it's done now so there ain't much choice. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 16:44:32 GMT
And swallow the economic impact...for what? Time will tell Les,it's done now so there ain't much choice. Agreed of course. But its hard to swallow given the rhetoric. I always believed this would have a sustained negative impact on our economy, but that with a trade deal this would be smoothed out and the negative impact amortised over a decade or so. We haven't got past 3 weeks and a whole industry is devastated. Laughably one that the rhetoric wrapped around. It does not bode well, to me at least. |
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Post by trevorgas on Jan 22, 2021 17:20:59 GMT
Time will tell Les,it's done now so there ain't much choice. Agreed of course. But its hard to swallow given the rhetoric. I always believed this would have a sustained negative impact on our economy, but that with a trade deal this would be smoothed out and the negative impact amortised over a decade or so. We haven't got past 3 weeks and a whole industry is devastated. Laughably one that the rhetoric wrapped around. It does not bode well, to me at least. Aye the bloody fish was always going to be a battleground. I'm an optimist by nature however,it could go Pete tong in the final analysis the impact if at the extreme end of negative will I must admit be a surprise,I tend to think we have enough ingenuity in this Country to deliver a positive outcome. Stay safe |
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Post by yattongas on Jan 22, 2021 17:29:20 GMT
Time will tell Les,it's done now so there ain't much choice. Agreed of course. But its hard to swallow given the rhetoric. I always believed this would have a sustained negative impact on our economy, but that with a trade deal this would be smoothed out and the negative impact amortised over a decade or so. We haven't got past 3 weeks and a whole industry is devastated. Laughably one that the rhetoric wrapped around. It does not bode well, to me at least. I think we’ll slowly but surely start coming more aligned with the EU in the coming yrs as Politicians and voters realise the error of their ways . Putting up trade barriers just makes no sense in the modern world . Immigration is needed and vital for a thriving economy and there will no doubt be exceptions made for various trades , fruit pickers, nurses , doctors and a whole host of others in the coming years. |
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Post by Gassy on Jan 22, 2021 17:59:14 GMT
The Tory party was hijacked by the Brexit party long ago . They’ve moved much further to the right in recent years . That’s why we get headbangers spouting crap that the bbc is left wing , all immigration is bad , moaning about food vouchers for kids but not uttering a word about the billions wasted on track & trace , PPE etc . That’s why they spout complete nonsense about Wokism , Snowflakes , Marxism , Statues , no platforming etc Top post. Yet some how they think they're more central than ever? |
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Post by yattongas on Jan 22, 2021 22:42:48 GMT
Hard cheese ! 🇬🇧
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Post by yattongas on Jan 23, 2021 0:04:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 0:37:47 GMT
Ffs you aren’t thinking big enough. Don’t you know that the one that looks like Skeletor negotiated a trade deal with Japan with a dairy clause? Just think of all the mountains of cheese we can flog to them! |
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Post by yattongas on Jan 23, 2021 8:15:06 GMT
Ffs you aren’t thinking big enough. Don’t you know that the one that looks like Skeletor negotiated a trade deal with Japan with a dairy clause? Just think of all the mountains of cheese we can flog to them! That’s great for the lactose intolerant Japanese 🇬🇧 |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 8:57:40 GMT
Ffs you aren’t thinking big enough. Don’t you know that the one that looks like Skeletor negotiated a trade deal with Japan with a dairy clause? Just think of all the mountains of cheese we can flog to them! That’s great for the lactose intolerant Japanese 🇬🇧 It was funny reading that thread, apparently Liz Truss made a big fuss of stopping talks until that clause was included to the bemusement of the Japanese who knew they would not be buying any dairy for physiological reasons. We really are a rare old breed, us British. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 9:38:53 GMT
That’s great for the lactose intolerant Japanese 🇬🇧 It was funny reading that thread, apparently Liz Truss made a big fuss of stopping talks until that clause was included to the bemusement of the Japanese who knew they would not be buying any dairy for physiological reasons. We really are a rare old breed, us British. Frankly I refused to be associated with people like Truss |
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Jan 23, 2021 9:39:00 GMT
That’s great for the lactose intolerant Japanese 🇬🇧 It was funny reading that thread, apparently Liz Truss made a big fuss of stopping talks until that clause was included to the bemusement of the Japanese who knew they would not be buying any dairy for physiological reasons. We really are a rare old breed, us British. Yesterday I heard a British reporter ask the US president chief of staff for an update on the Churchill bust. Who the f*ck cares? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2021 9:42:00 GMT
It was funny reading that thread, apparently Liz Truss made a big fuss of stopping talks until that clause was included to the bemusement of the Japanese who knew they would not be buying any dairy for physiological reasons. We really are a rare old breed, us British. Yesterday I heard a British reporter ask the US president chief of staff for an update on the Churchill bust. Who the f*ck cares? It makes us a laughing stock |
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