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Post by oldgas on Jan 27, 2021 8:17:59 GMT
Well, I've waited all day but no, not one of the EU apologists in the Brussels fan club on here have said a word about the EU bullying the vaccine manufacturer Astra Zenica, nor anything regarding the EU threat to stop the vaccine being exported to the UK. How very, very sad. I dont beleive any of us have called the EU perfect or anything. The whole vaccine thing (as good as it has been so far for us) is all about richer, more powerful nations/blocs trying to get ahead of each other Brexit is a 'long game' and isnt helping business and all that is going to happen (as i have said before) is we will drift back closer to the EU even if we dont rejoin We've not acted as we have to put one over the EU. We've acted as we have for the good of our people and to try and put a stop to the untold misery being inflicted on people and their families. If our decisive action has shown it is better to be free of the EU then so be it. What this saga has done is illustrate what a cumbersome, Soviet style disaster the EU is. Stung that GB is so far ahead of the game, a GB which needed to be punished for daring to leave and take its money with it, the EU has resorted to bullying Astra Zeneca and threatening to embargo exports of the drug to this country. This vindictive act has shone a very bright light on the mindset of those directing the EU and I am so glad we've left.
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Post by peterparker on Jan 27, 2021 8:38:10 GMT
I dont beleive any of us have called the EU perfect or anything. The whole vaccine thing (as good as it has been so far for us) is all about richer, more powerful nations/blocs trying to get ahead of each other Brexit is a 'long game' and isnt helping business and all that is going to happen (as i have said before) is we will drift back closer to the EU even if we dont rejoin We've not acted as we have to put one over the EU. We've acted as we have for the good of our people and to try and put a stop to the untold misery being inflicted on people and their families. If our decisive action has shown it is better to be free of the EU then so be it. What this saga has done is illustrate what a cumbersome, Soviet style disaster the EU is. Stung that GB is so far ahead of the game, a GB which needed to be punished for daring to leave and take its money with it, the EU has resorted to bullying Astra Zeneca and threatening to embargo exports of the drug to this country. This vindictive act has shone a very bright light on the mindset of those directing the EU and I am so glad we've left. I didn't say we were trying to put one over the EU, but you cannot deny, that any countries/blocs that roll out the vaccine quickest and best, put themselves in a better position economically. The poorest countries in the world are going to be and have been hit hardest by covid and we are cutting foreign aid, which many have argued (even in the Tory party) is a bad thing ((Where we send aid to should be looked at I will agree) And as good as we may have been in the vaccine department, we are still governed by incompetent and corrupt liars who's mistakes have now help to lead to 100k deaths. Being pout of the EU didn't help our Covid response did it, but it did help a lot of Conservative party 'friends and benefactors' meanwhile, in normal BREXIT times what is it, 1.6 Trillion has moved out of the city into the EU as well as (unofficially) Govt. departments suggesting people set up entities inside the EU in order to trade. A month in and the company I work for is still not selling one arm of the business (clothing) into the EU
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Post by Gassy on Jan 27, 2021 9:55:52 GMT
It's in the the Coronavirus thread. Keep up. But this is a BREXIT win. Shouldn't it be on this thread? I mean, it's more about Covid vaccines. Tbh I don't really care where it's posted, just that it's been commented on.
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Post by oldgas on Jan 27, 2021 11:27:04 GMT
We've not acted as we have to put one over the EU. We've acted as we have for the good of our people and to try and put a stop to the untold misery being inflicted on people and their families. If our decisive action has shown it is better to be free of the EU then so be it. What this saga has done is illustrate what a cumbersome, Soviet style disaster the EU is. Stung that GB is so far ahead of the game, a GB which needed to be punished for daring to leave and take its money with it, the EU has resorted to bullying Astra Zeneca and threatening to embargo exports of the drug to this country. This vindictive act has shone a very bright light on the mindset of those directing the EU and I am so glad we've left. I didn't say we were trying to put one over the EU, but you cannot deny, that any countries/blocs that roll out the vaccine quickest and best, put themselves in a better position economically. The poorest countries in the world are going to be and have been hit hardest by covid and we are cutting foreign aid, which many have argued (even in the Tory party) is a bad thing ((Where we send aid to should be looked at I will agree) And as good as we may have been in the vaccine department, we are still governed by incompetent and corrupt liars who's mistakes have now help to lead to 100k deaths. Being pout of the EU didn't help our Covid response did it, but it did help a lot of Conservative party 'friends and benefactors' meanwhile, in normal BREXIT times what is it, 1.6 Trillion has moved out of the city into the EU as well as (unofficially) Govt. departments suggesting people set up entities inside the EU in order to trade. A month in and the company I work for is still not selling one arm of the business (clothing) into the EU I read a Telegraph article today which said that, on balance, the Western world had suffered more from Covid than the 3rd, for want of a better description, world. Western economies have taken a much larger hit and there are arguments for saying they need Western economies to recover in order to drive demand from said other economies. As for being governed by corrupt and incompetent liars, a bit strong I feel and a typical Left Wing scattergun comment. Im just wondering what other sector would be able to deal with the creation and roll out of track and trace, testing on the scale we now have and the implementation of the vaccination programme which is leading the Continent? It’s all very well making snide remarks about the govt lining the pockets of its friends, but what would a Labour govt have done if they’d won the GE and were dealing with this? Oh, hang on, there’d be no need to worry because the Steptoe Scarecrow has already said he would have sent all our vaccines to the Third World! That’s assuming, of course, that they would have followed the same path as the Tory govt and not signed up to the EU procurement programme. Which we all know they would have, which meanss we would have had practically FA vaccine in the first place! I also read today that the price of a bottle of French wine is to I feast by £1.50. That will w entually be their loss on the money from a whole bottle because we are days away from signing a free trade agreement with NZ who produce excellent wines. The problem with the EU is it thinks it can boss everyone else around and get its own way. We’re supposed to be one of their biggest export markets. I always thought the business maxim was look after your customer. The EU is run by a bunch of incompetent fools who’d make CoCo the Clown look like a shrewd business man. Over time we will strike many trade deals around the world, each will make us less reliant on the EU, run by assholes in Brussels for the benefit of France and Germany. Again, you only have to look at their vaccine fiasco to see what they’re all about, and then try to rectify their mistakes by bullying business and threatening to confiscate another country’s vaccine. And you wanted to remain a part of that?
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Post by peterparker on Jan 27, 2021 11:39:03 GMT
I didn't say we were trying to put one over the EU, but you cannot deny, that any countries/blocs that roll out the vaccine quickest and best, put themselves in a better position economically. The poorest countries in the world are going to be and have been hit hardest by covid and we are cutting foreign aid, which many have argued (even in the Tory party) is a bad thing ((Where we send aid to should be looked at I will agree) And as good as we may have been in the vaccine department, we are still governed by incompetent and corrupt liars who's mistakes have now help to lead to 100k deaths. Being pout of the EU didn't help our Covid response did it, but it did help a lot of Conservative party 'friends and benefactors' meanwhile, in normal BREXIT times what is it, 1.6 Trillion has moved out of the city into the EU as well as (unofficially) Govt. departments suggesting people set up entities inside the EU in order to trade. A month in and the company I work for is still not selling one arm of the business (clothing) into the EU I read a Telegraph article today which said that, on balance, the Western world had suffered more from Covid than the 3rd, for want of a better description, world. Western economies have taken a much larger hit and there are arguments for saying they need Western economies to recover in order to drive demand from said other economies. As for being governed by corrupt and incompetent liars, a bit strong I feel and a typical Left Wing scattergun comment. Im just wondering what other sector would be able to deal with the creation and roll out of track and trace, testing on the scale we now have and the implementation of the vaccination programme which is leading the Continent? It’s all very well making snide remarks about the govt lining the pockets of its friends, but what would a Labour govt have done if they’d won the GE and were dealing with this? Oh, hang on, there’d be no need to worry because the Steptoe Scarecrow has already said he would have sent all our vaccines to the Third World! That’s assuming, of course, that they would have followed the same path as the Tory govt and not signed up to the EU procurement programme. Which we all know they would have, which meanss we would have had practically FA vaccine in the first place! I also read today that the price of a bottle of French wine is to I feast by £1.50. That will w entually be their loss on the money from a whole bottle because we are days away from signing a free trade agreement with NZ who produce excellent wines. The problem with the EU is it thinks it can boss everyone else around and get its own way. We’re supposed to be one of their biggest export markets. I always thought the business maxim was look after your customer. The EU is run by a bunch of incompetent fools who’d make CoCo the Clown look like a shrewd business man. Over time we will strike many trade deals around the world, each will make us less reliant on the EU, run by assholes in Brussels for the benefit of France and Germany. Again, you only have to look at their vaccine fiasco to see what they’re all about, and then try to rectify their mistakes by bullying business and threatening to confiscate another country’s vaccine. And you wanted to remain a part of that? do you know the details of the NZ agreement? As has been spelled out before (and as we can see with BREXIT) Free Trade does not necessarily mean free from tariffs or quotas.
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Post by oldgas on Jan 27, 2021 13:47:47 GMT
I read a Telegraph article today which said that, on balance, the Western world had suffered more from Covid than the 3rd, for want of a better description, world. Western economies have taken a much larger hit and there are arguments for saying they need Western economies to recover in order to drive demand from said other economies. As for being governed by corrupt and incompetent liars, a bit strong I feel and a typical Left Wing scattergun comment. Im just wondering what other sector would be able to deal with the creation and roll out of track and trace, testing on the scale we now have and the implementation of the vaccination programme which is leading the Continent? It’s all very well making snide remarks about the govt lining the pockets of its friends, but what would a Labour govt have done if they’d won the GE and were dealing with this? Oh, hang on, there’d be no need to worry because the Steptoe Scarecrow has already said he would have sent all our vaccines to the Third World! That’s assuming, of course, that they would have followed the same path as the Tory govt and not signed up to the EU procurement programme. Which we all know they would have, which meanss we would have had practically FA vaccine in the first place! I also read today that the price of a bottle of French wine is to I feast by £1.50. That will w entually be their loss on the money from a whole bottle because we are days away from signing a free trade agreement with NZ who produce excellent wines. The problem with the EU is it thinks it can boss everyone else around and get its own way. We’re supposed to be one of their biggest export markets. I always thought the business maxim was look after your customer. The EU is run by a bunch of incompetent fools who’d make CoCo the Clown look like a shrewd business man. Over time we will strike many trade deals around the world, each will make us less reliant on the EU, run by assholes in Brussels for the benefit of France and Germany. Again, you only have to look at their vaccine fiasco to see what they’re all about, and then try to rectify their mistakes by bullying business and threatening to confiscate another country’s vaccine. And you wanted to remain a part of that? do you know the details of the NZ agreement? As has been spelled out before (and as we can see with BREXIT) Free Trade does not necessarily mean free from tariffs or quotas. www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/This is seems pretty positive and talks about cutting tariffs and duty on, among other things, NZ wine which will make it cheaper for us, and UK built cars will be cheaper there. Another NZ govt document says NZ wants to be UKs 6th largest trading partner and wants to strike a free trade deal with the UK. One imagines the aim of these discussions is not to worsen any agreement between the Bastard EU and NZ, and there is every hope the deal will be beneficial toUK and NZ, hopefully with many more to follow. I notice you made no comment on the rest of my post.
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Post by peterparker on Jan 27, 2021 13:59:27 GMT
do you know the details of the NZ agreement? As has been spelled out before (and as we can see with BREXIT) Free Trade does not necessarily mean free from tariffs or quotas. www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/This is seems pretty positive and talks about cutting tariffs and duty on, among other things, NZ wine which will make it cheaper for us, and UK built cars will be cheaper there. Another NZ govt document says NZ wants to be UKs 6th largest trading partner and wants to strike a free trade deal with the UK. One imagines the aim of these discussions is not to worsen any agreement between the Bastard EU and NZ, and there is every hope the deal will be beneficial toUK and NZ, hopefully with many more to follow. I notice you made no comment on the rest of my post. of course Western Economies have taken a bigger economic hit. You don't have to be Einstein to work that out. The point is, it's the big Western economies that will get out of the sh** quickest whilst poorer nations are left behind As for NZ wine, I don't think I denied it won't be cheaper, only that it still may attract tariffs. Remember any tariffs or cost on Wine (or anything else) only exist now, because WE left the EU single market and WE signed a Free Trade agreement
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Post by yattongas on Jan 27, 2021 14:30:47 GMT
More fish news 🐟
The Government’s shoddy EU Deal means the live music business will have to cope with mountains of red tape it thought was in the past. Singer FISH, ex- of prog rock legends Marillion and now a successful solo touring artist, set out the details of this nightmare in a blistering social media post at the weekend. Now he talks to Andrew Harrison about how the strangling complexity of permits and visas will choke off emerging British talent even when COVID lifts, and why the Government isn’t even pretending to help small businesses I one of Britain’s true global industries. Find out more about Fish and buy aptly-titled new album Weltschmertz at fishmusic.scot • “This will kill new bands wanting to establish themselves in Europe.” • “We could be playing seven cities in ten days before we know someone is infected.” • “Most Europeans learned English through rock and pop songs.” • “Our albums are three times more expensive now – they cost 31 euros on the continent” • “I was supposed to retire in 2022. That’s out the window.”
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Post by oldgas on Jan 27, 2021 17:03:51 GMT
www.cityam.com/uk-set-to-wrap-up-new-zealand-trade-deal-before-easter/This is seems pretty positive and talks about cutting tariffs and duty on, among other things, NZ wine which will make it cheaper for us, and UK built cars will be cheaper there. Another NZ govt document says NZ wants to be UKs 6th largest trading partner and wants to strike a free trade deal with the UK. One imagines the aim of these discussions is not to worsen any agreement between the Bastard EU and NZ, and there is every hope the deal will be beneficial toUK and NZ, hopefully with many more to follow. I notice you made no comment on the rest of my post. of course Western Economies have taken a bigger economic hit. You don't have to be Einstein to work that out. The point is, it's the big Western economies that will get out of the sh** quickest whilst poorer nations are left behind As for NZ wine, I don't think I denied it won't be cheaper, only that it still may attract tariffs. Remember any tariffs or cost on Wine (or anything else) only exist now, because WE left the EU single market and WE signed a Free Trade agreement That rather depends on whether the EU had trade deals with other countries whilst we were members. Now we’re out, we are free to strike deals with whosoever we please, thus allowing us to move our trade away from the Bastard EU and all their nasty little tripwires. Plus we can reach agreement in months, rather than the 7 years it takes the EU. I expect people in NZ will enjoy buying tariffs free Nissan cars now we’re out of the EU. I wonder who will be Next?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 17:57:55 GMT
of course Western Economies have taken a bigger economic hit. You don't have to be Einstein to work that out. The point is, it's the big Western economies that will get out of the sh** quickest whilst poorer nations are left behind As for NZ wine, I don't think I denied it won't be cheaper, only that it still may attract tariffs. Remember any tariffs or cost on Wine (or anything else) only exist now, because WE left the EU single market and WE signed a Free Trade agreement That rather depends on whether the EU had trade deals with other countries whilst we were members. Now we’re out, we are free to strike deals with whosoever we please, thus allowing us to move our trade away from the Bastard EU and all their nasty little tripwires. Plus we can reach agreement in months, rather than the 7 years it takes the EU. I expect people in NZ will enjoy buying tariffs free Nissan cars now we’re out of the EU. I wonder who will be Next? The EU had circa 40 trade agreements when we left, which we walked away from as beneficiaries when we were members.
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Post by yattongas on Jan 27, 2021 18:53:35 GMT
That rather depends on whether the EU had trade deals with other countries whilst we were members. Now we’re out, we are free to strike deals with whosoever we please, thus allowing us to move our trade away from the Bastard EU and all their nasty little tripwires. Plus we can reach agreement in months, rather than the 7 years it takes the EU. I expect people in NZ will enjoy buying tariffs free Nissan cars now we’re out of the EU. I wonder who will be Next? The EU had circa 40 trade agreements when we left, which we walked away from as beneficiaries when we were members. Have we actually signed a trade deal yet that was better than any deal we had as part of the EU ? 🤐
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Post by oldgas on Jan 27, 2021 18:57:56 GMT
More fish news 🐟 The Government’s shoddy EU Deal means the live music business will have to cope with mountains of red tape it thought was in the past. Singer FISH, ex- of prog rock legends Marillion and now a successful solo touring artist, set out the details of this nightmare in a blistering social media post at the weekend. Now he talks to Andrew Harrison about how the strangling complexity of permits and visas will choke off emerging British talent even when COVID lifts, and why the Government isn’t even pretending to help small businesses I one of Britain’s true global industries. Find out more about Fish and buy aptly-titled new album Weltschmertz at fishmusic.scot • “This will kill new bands wanting to establish themselves in Europe.” • “We could be playing seven cities in ten days before we know someone is infected.” • “Most Europeans learned English through rock and pop songs.” • “Our albums are three times more expensive now – they cost 31 euros on the continent” • “I was supposed to retire in 2022. That’s out the window.” Splendid re-hash of old news in a desperate attempt to divert attention away from the Bastard EUs handling of their vaccine balls-up. How very Remainerish. And remember, you've undertaken not to respond to my posts, so try and hold onto your water, Snowflake Man.
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Post by oldgas on Jan 27, 2021 19:00:11 GMT
The EU had circa 40 trade agreements when we left, which we walked away from as beneficiaries when we were members. Have we actually signed a trade deal yet that was better than any deal we had as part of the EU ? 🤐 Doesn't matter because if it's no worse then we're no worse off. Have we signed any deals that are worse?
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Post by oldgas on Jan 27, 2021 19:03:37 GMT
That rather depends on whether the EU had trade deals with other countries whilst we were members. Now we’re out, we are free to strike deals with whosoever we please, thus allowing us to move our trade away from the Bastard EU and all their nasty little tripwires. Plus we can reach agreement in months, rather than the 7 years it takes the EU. I expect people in NZ will enjoy buying tariffs free Nissan cars now we’re out of the EU. I wonder who will be Next? The EU had circa 40 trade agreements when we left, which we walked away from as beneficiaries when we were members. Any thoughts on the EUs behaviour over the vaccine, and whether you consider our securing of vaccine and having the best vaccine programme in Europe is a BREXIT gain?
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 27, 2021 19:20:10 GMT
Have we actually signed a trade deal yet that was better than any deal we had as part of the EU ? 🤐 Doesn't matter because if it's no worse then we're no worse off. Have we signed any deals that are worse? The one with the EU for a start.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 19:51:22 GMT
Doesn't matter because if it's no worse then we're no worse off. Have we signed any deals that are worse? The one with the EU for a start. 😂😂😂
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 19:54:17 GMT
The EU had circa 40 trade agreements when we left, which we walked away from as beneficiaries when we were members. Any thoughts on the EUs behaviour over the vaccine, and whether you consider our securing of vaccine and having the best vaccine programme in Europe is a BREXIT gain? I have already said that our ability to approve vaccine for use in the UK at anytime was not inhibited by our membership of the EU. You can ignore that fact, but that's the truth.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Jan 27, 2021 20:40:55 GMT
Any thoughts on the EUs behaviour over the vaccine, and whether you consider our securing of vaccine and having the best vaccine programme in Europe is a BREXIT gain? I have already said that our ability to approve vaccine for use in the UK at anytime was not inhibited by our membership of the EU. You can ignore that fact, but that's the truth. Yeah the EU dropped a bollock there for sure. But so did their members, who as I understand it could have made their own orders at any time?
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Post by Gassy on Jan 27, 2021 20:54:35 GMT
I have already said that our ability to approve vaccine for use in the UK at anytime was not inhibited by our membership of the EU. You can ignore that fact, but that's the truth. Yeah the EU dropped a bollock there for sure. But so did their members, who as I understand it could have made their own orders at any time? Actually I’ve been wondering this for a while, tried googling but couldn’t find anything. If you’re an EU country, do you have to take part of the tender or can you order independently as well? My assumption is you can do both?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 21:01:54 GMT
Yeah the EU dropped a bollock there for sure. But so did their members, who as I understand it could have made their own orders at any time? Actually I’ve been wondering this for a while, tried googling but couldn’t find anything. If you’re an EU country, do you have to take part of the tender or can you order independently as well? My assumption is you can do both? There is a specific rule which makes clear that states can approve vaccines under emergency legislation, particularly in a pandemic situation. Which we did, our government actually quoted this rule when the approved the Pfizer vaccine. Any State within the EU could have done, I can only think they did not as they all, apart from the UK, agreed to a joint procurement policy. They have been caught out, their probable sclerosis in getting things done quickly has exposed them. Very poor.
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