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Post by buckrippers on Nov 28, 2014 10:29:18 GMT
Back in the day, I had a second team - I supported Manchester United in the top flight. I did it because my dad took me to see them at White Hart Lane long before I'd even heard of Bristol Rovers. The likes of Charlton, Kidd and Best played for United and Gilzean and Chivers for Spurs. It was a thrilling 2-2 draw full of exciting play and true sportsmanship. At one stage Brian Kidd was given offside and ran 30 yards to pick up the ball and give it to the Spurs goalkeeper. I don't have a second team any more. I just support Rovers and England and am even getting fed up with the way our national team is treating like an after-thought when compared to the Premier cash cow. I'm fed up with the corporate greed, the pricing out of true supporters and everything else. It's interesting to hear that Man City can't fill their stadium for a big game against Bayern Munich and Jose Mourinho criticises Chelsea supporters for being too quiet at Stamford Bridge. The fact that 6,000 Gasheads turned up on a miserable cold, wet Tuesday in November to watch them play Barnet says it all to me. Yet if Greg Dyke's commission had their way pretty soon our route back into the Football League would be closed. Do you still have a second team? Or do you just follow the Premier League for betting and fantasy football purposes. Here's my Post blog today... www.bristolpost.co.uk/BRISTOL-ROVERS-BLOG-Frankie-Prince-s-Bovver-Boots/story-24786776-detail/story.html |
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Post by meader on Nov 28, 2014 11:20:56 GMT
WEll....I have to admit...that is a brilliant piece of writing. And very truthful.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 12:49:25 GMT
Good article and an argument that needs repeating again and again until they get it.
Spurs are my second team, my best friend at uni got me into them and I keep following them so I can be invested in the PL. I'd pick Rovers every time though.
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Post by baggins on Nov 28, 2014 12:57:13 GMT
Good article and an argument that needs repeating again and again until they get it. Spurs are my second team, my best friend at uni got me into them and I keep following them so I can be invested in the PL. I'd pick Rovers every time though. Pretty much the same as me but I've followed West Ham since they did Arsenal in the 80 FA Cup final. No one will replace the Gas though. |
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Post by socrates on Nov 28, 2014 13:13:13 GMT
I went to a few Pompey matches ( it's where my mum and dad are from ) before I ever saw the gas so they were my team for those few months but soon as I saw the Gas I was hooked and I forgot all about Pompey.
I suppose in that respect they are my second team but I don't really look out for them in fact I look to see if ( hoping ) the s#it have lost before I see how Pompey got on.
I hate the thought of a closed league whether that's the Prem or the rest of it or whatever.
Promotion and relegation is what it's all about for f**ks sake.
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Post by socrates on Nov 28, 2014 13:14:39 GMT
Any one who's up for having a closed league is a complete Cunty of a w**king clueless tosshead.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 13:23:19 GMT
Can't understand the point of having a second team.
What is the point of feeling invested in the Premier League? I don't get that at all. If your team isn't in it, don't watch it. Why would you want to support any other team? By all means watch and enjoy the skill as a neutral if you really feel the need but as a football fan I couldn't feel less connected to a team once they hit the prem.
To me its the be all and end all of almost everything that's bad about our game. Greed, plastic fans, hype, theatrics, arrogance, over pricing, theft of young talent and a screw you, I'm alright attitude as standard.
I take a passing interest in the leagues above and below the one we are in around Xmas just to see who we might get next year.
It's Gas or nothing for me. Always has been, always will be.
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Post by mumbles on Nov 28, 2014 13:31:59 GMT
Spot on. Money is ruining the game and the FA sold out to Sky and the PL long ago.
The best thing about football in this country now is the history and relative strength of its league structure and the level of support it still attracts. Yet Dyke and his cronies now see fit to consign even this to the scrap heap in yet another bungled attempt to copy another country's route to World Cup success.
If GD thinks the main issue is that the nations up and coming young stars are not getting enough experience then surely there are other things he can try without decimating the football league and ending years of football club history. Some ideas may be...
- put limits in place to stop top clubs hoarding all the top young talent and ripping FL clubs off to boot! - this will ensure that the talent is more evenly spread throughout the leagues and should improve the quality accordingly
- limit the number of non UK players in a match day squad (flippin' obvious!) - this will mean the young players should get more change of getting 1st team experience
- provide regional training centres where clubs can send younger players and coaches to receive top quality training - again the aim being to improve the quality of football throughout the league.
Another idea I have been toying with is again linked to the regional training centres and would take youth teams out of the hands of football clubs all together. The idea would be that the FA would be responsible for all players up to the age of say 16. Then at 16 players are assigned to clubs through a ballot system similar to that seen in American basketball. I haven't worked it out exactly but there would have to be some form of weighting based upon league status and location but this would mean a more even distribution of the top talent. Any thoughts?
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Post by baggins on Nov 28, 2014 13:51:43 GMT
Can't understand the point of having a second team. What is the point of feeling invested in the Premier League? I don't get that at all. If your team isn't in it, don't watch it. Why would you want to support any other team? By all means watch and enjoy the skill as a neutral if you really feel the need but as a football fan I couldn't feel less connected to a team once they hit the prem. To me its the be all and end all of almost everything that's bad about our game. Greed, plastic fans, hype, theatrics, arrogance, over pricing, theft of young talent and a screw you, I'm alright attitude as standard. I take a passing interest in the leagues above and below the one we are in around Xmas just to see who we might get next year. It's Gas or nothing for me. Always has been, always will be. Bit harsh old boy. I wouldn't say I would follow West Ham to the ends of the earth or anything, but they do bring back memories and I don't feel bad about my interest in them. I'm the same with women. Tracy Lords is my first, but I do show an interest in every other filth piece. |
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Post by Mark Ash on Nov 28, 2014 14:36:35 GMT
I don't think I've quite understood the B team idea. I didn't realise it involved a closed league. What exactly is the proposal? Can someone enlighten me?
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Post by buckrippers on Nov 28, 2014 14:58:56 GMT
I don't think I've quite understood the B team idea. I didn't realise it involved a closed league. What exactly is the proposal? Can someone enlighten me? It's not a closed league as such but I'm sure it wouldn't take long to ring-fence it. Plus, the Conference would be split into two tiers. With B teams able to get promoted as far as League One, what chance would Conference sides have? Sounds a bit negative but it really is a mish-mash... This is from the Mail Online... Q: So what is the headline solution? A: The introduction of Premier League ‘B teams’ into the Football League system, as part of a revamped league pyramid, with the rationale that young players with talent who are not quite ready for first-team squads will ‘find themselves, for the first time, playing in front of real crowds, against older players whose livelihood is dependent on winning and experiencing the pressures of a game where the outcome has real consequences.’ Q: A revamp of the league system? You what? A: It is not quite as dramatic as it sounds. What would happen is a new division would be formed below League Two, and called League Three. It is proposed it would include 10 Premier League teams (to be debated) and 10 teams currently in the Conference. Q: When would this happen? A: It is proposed that this structure would start in the 2016-17 season. There would still be promotion and relegation from the Conference and up the Football League, although B Teams would not be able to go higher than League One. A lot of the detail is still up for debate between the widest parts of the ‘football family.’ Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2623343/FA-reveal-revolutionary-plan-Premier-League-lite-League-Two.html#ixzz3KNKJBcbX Follow us: @mailonline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook |
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Post by Mark Ash on Nov 28, 2014 15:06:18 GMT
Thanks Nick. What happens when the top 6 teams in League One are all the rich boys' teams? Do the 7th, 8th and 9th teams go up? (!)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2014 15:10:54 GMT
the problem is that there's a conception that watching household names in huge stadiums is exciting....
when in my experience watching un-knowns in a small ground is probably even more exciting....
there's a certain magic that top-level footie has lost for sure....
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Post by dmacca65 on Nov 28, 2014 15:28:20 GMT
Back in the day, I had a second team - I supported Manchester United in the top flight. I did it because my dad took me to see them at White Hart Lane long before I'd even heard of Bristol Rovers. The likes of Charlton, Kidd and Best played for United and Gilzean and Chivers for Spurs. It was a thrilling 2-2 draw full of exciting play and true sportsmanship. At one stage Brian Kidd was given offside and ran 30 yards to pick up the ball and give it to the Spurs goalkeeper. I don't have a second team any more. I just support Rovers and England and am even getting fed up with the way our national team is treating like an after-thought when compared to the Premier cash cow. I'm fed up with the corporate greed, the pricing out of true supporters and everything else. It's interesting to hear that Man City can't fill their stadium for a big game against Bayern Munich and Jose Mourinho criticises Chelsea supporters for being too quiet at Stamford Bridge. The fact that 6,000 Gasheads turned up on a miserable cold, wet Tuesday in November to watch them play Barnet says it all to me. Yet if Greg Dyke's commission had their way pretty soon our route back into the Football League would be closed. Do you still have a second team? Or do you just follow the Premier League for betting and fantasy football purposes. Here's my Post blog today... www.bristolpost.co.uk/BRISTOL-ROVERS-BLOG-Frankie-Prince-s-Bovver-Boots/story-24786776-detail/story.htmlI do have a team I follow and watch when Im up that way, that is ICT or Inverness Caledonian Thistle! Dont have a second team and don't think of myself as a England supporter. |
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Post by philbemmygas on Nov 28, 2014 17:07:51 GMT
Back in the day, I had a second team - I supported Manchester United in the top flight. I did it because my dad took me to see them at White Hart Lane long before I'd even heard of Bristol Rovers. The likes of Charlton, Kidd and Best played for United and Gilzean and Chivers for Spurs. It was a thrilling 2-2 draw full of exciting play and true sportsmanship. At one stage Brian Kidd was given offside and ran 30 yards to pick up the ball and give it to the Spurs goalkeeper. I don't have a second team any more. I just support Rovers and England and am even getting fed up with the way our national team is treating like an after-thought when compared to the Premier cash cow. I'm fed up with the corporate greed, the pricing out of true supporters and everything else. It's interesting to hear that Man City can't fill their stadium for a big game against Bayern Munich and Jose Mourinho criticises Chelsea supporters for being too quiet at Stamford Bridge. The fact that 6,000 Gasheads turned up on a miserable cold, wet Tuesday in November to watch them play Barnet says it all to me. Yet if Greg Dyke's commission had their way pretty soon our route back into the Football League would be closed. Do you still have a second team? Or do you just follow the Premier League for betting and fantasy football purposes. Here's my Post blog today... www.bristolpost.co.uk/BRISTOL-ROVERS-BLOG-Frankie-Prince-s-Bovver-Boots/story-24786776-detail/story.htmlI do have a team I follow and watch when Im up that way, that is ICT or Inverness Caledonian Thistle! Dont have a second team and don't think of myself as a England supporter. In the words of Derek, "you are an FMC". No offence meant Dar, come on the Thistle!  |
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Post by Mark Ash on Nov 28, 2014 18:05:45 GMT
I cannot understand the need for the proposal. As Nick says, the young talent can be loaned out to the likes of us anyway, so the experience can be gained that way. Failing that, the rich clubs can run their own league for reserves, as used to happen. Youngsters breaking through would compete with top players who can't get into the first teams at Chelsea, Man U etc.
The proposal would mean that half the "clubs" in the new League Three wouldn't be clubs at all. They would have no supporters and it would become a sort of ghost league. Where would they play their home games? At a training pitch?
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Post by Mark Ash on Nov 28, 2014 18:20:11 GMT
The most sinister line in the Mail article comes right at the end, when it says that the changes would be oiled with large amounts of money from the rich clubs to the small clubs to make it palatable. Money will have its way, in other words.
I would hate to see Bristol Rovers become a feeder club for one of the rich clubs.
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Post by dmacca65 on Nov 28, 2014 18:41:05 GMT
I do have a team I follow and watch when Im up that way, that is ICT or Inverness Caledonian Thistle! Dont have a second team and don't think of myself as a England supporter. In the words of Derek, "you are an FMC". No offence meant Dar, come on the Thistle! We all love Derek!! No offence taken mate I assume your with the clan tomorrow, so enjoy. |
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Post by Newton Abbot Gas on Nov 28, 2014 18:43:09 GMT
Never had and never will have a 2nd team and as for the prem well 22 wallets running around the pitch .....sorry nah..UTG
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Post by Mark Ash on Nov 28, 2014 18:57:57 GMT
the problem is that there's a conception that watching household names in huge stadiums is exciting.... when in my experience watching un-knowns in a small ground is probably even more exciting.... there's a certain magic that top-level footie has lost for sure.... Apart from all the other reasons not to admire the Prem, it has a fundamental disadvantage over all the other divisions: the top end is closed. In every other division, the most successful teams disappear each season, through promotion, so the competition is always fresh. |
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