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Post by olskooltoteender on Mar 6, 2021 20:44:53 GMT
Could someone please explain to me why the job of Football Club Manager seems to be the only one in the world where, if you consistently fail to meet your targets (not winning football matches), consistently fail to manage your staff effectively, consistently fail to train your staff effectively, etc.(I.e. you fail to fulfill the terms of your contract of employment), that you still get paid after you’re dismissed? With any other job, if you failed to perform like that then you’d get the sack and that would be it, no comeback, no compensation, no paid gardening leave, nothing.
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Post by darkbluegas on Mar 6, 2021 20:54:03 GMT
Not sure thats the case, Tommy and Martin seem to be pretty secure in their posts
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Post by Gassy on Mar 6, 2021 21:36:35 GMT
Could someone please explain to me why the job of Football Club Manager seems to be the only one in the world where, if you consistently fail to meet your targets (not winning football matches), consistently fail to manage your staff effectively, consistently fail to train your staff effectively, etc.(I.e. you fail to fulfill the terms of your contract of employment), that you still get paid after you’re dismissed? With any other job, if you failed to perform like that then you’d get the sack and that would be it, no comeback, no compensation, no paid gardening leave, nothing. Because the contract has an end date, rather than being indefinite - I'd assume? I'm sure there's more to it that people on here can add to though
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2021 21:43:13 GMT
Could someone please explain to me why the job of Football Club Manager seems to be the only one in the world where, if you consistently fail to meet your targets (not winning football matches), consistently fail to manage your staff effectively, consistently fail to train your staff effectively, etc.(I.e. you fail to fulfill the terms of your contract of employment), that you still get paid after you’re dismissed? With any other job, if you failed to perform like that then you’d get the sack and that would be it, no comeback, no compensation, no paid gardening leave, nothing. Because the contract has an end date, rather than being indefinite - I'd assume? I'm sure there's more to it that people on here can add to though Exactly that. Managers like players are engaged on fixed term contracts unlike the clubs staff who are employed on permanent contracts.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 6, 2021 22:50:39 GMT
Because the contract has an end date, rather than being indefinite - I'd assume? I'm sure there's more to it that people on here can add to though Exactly that. Managers like players are engaged on fixed term contracts unlike the clubs staff who are employed on permanent contracts. Surely the contract must have performance targets, Mansfeld fans suggested the manager before GC was dismissed as results were so poor and he wasn't meeting his targets? What's odd is C1ty gave Pearson a 6 months contract, Chelsea their new manager 18 months but we give Barton 2.5 years! Unless we have performance get out clauses.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2021 22:57:22 GMT
Exactly that. Managers like players are engaged on fixed term contracts unlike the clubs staff who are employed on permanent contracts. Surely the contract must have performance targets, Mansfeld fans suggested the manager before GC was dismissed as results were so poor and he wasn't meeting his targets? What's odd is C1ty gave Pearson a 6 months contract, Chelsea their new manager 18 months but we give Barton 2.5 years! Unless we have performance get out clauses. Some managers do have terms which can limit the length of a contract. I was surprised when a manager was appointed at a club on a 3 year contract but had never managed before. Then I was told the contract could be terminated at any time by the club if the team wasn't in the top 6, lost 3 games on the trot etc. so effectively the contract was pretty worthless to the manager. He was sacked after 6 months without a pay off. Do I think that Joey Barton has that type of contract? No I don't and I expect he wrote his own contract which the club agreed to including bringing his own staff in. I would have thought that the club would have a right to terminate the contract if he is unable to fulfil the contract due to being in prison or should he face a lengthy ban from the EFL following the court case.
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Post by axegas on Mar 6, 2021 23:08:01 GMT
There’s often severance clauses in the managers contracts, which means that if they’re sacked they’ll only get paid for a certain amount of time afterwards and not for the entirety of their contract.
It’s similar to employees that get handed redundancy pay for a performance related dismissal in every day life.
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Post by biggles on Mar 6, 2021 23:20:58 GMT
while you think that all managers go into a job expecting to win every game. win every league,cup and all and sundry you must be barking mad just look at klopp! success happens if you are lucky every ten years to lower division teams all fans are fickle e.g win you are great lose you should be sacked i understand that they are on [mostly] a good wage but you can only do with what you've got and in our case nothing!
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Post by daniel300380 on Mar 7, 2021 0:12:04 GMT
Could someone please explain to me why the job of Football Club Manager seems to be the only one in the world where, if you consistently fail to meet your targets (not winning football matches), consistently fail to manage your staff effectively, consistently fail to train your staff effectively, etc.(I.e. you fail to fulfill the terms of your contract of employment), that you still get paid after you’re dismissed? With any other job, if you failed to perform like that then you’d get the sack and that would be it, no comeback, no compensation, no paid gardening leave, nothing. Because it’s football and both parties have a contract. The same applies the other way. If manager is doing good and wants to leave for a different job, he can’t give a weeks notice and leave, like with most other jobs. If he’s more successful, he’s not going to be paid double etc. It’s all to do with the contracts, but it works both ways.
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Post by Windmill Hill Gas on Mar 7, 2021 9:14:18 GMT
Team sport and particularly football are quite unique as businesses really. Success is measured by winning trophies, European qualification and promotion etc, but only a handful of teams can actually achieve these. Therefore you could put lots of effort in, do a great job but finish 5th by a point and lose your job. Your job is very dependent on the success of other managers. I suppose capitalism in general is a bit like this, but not quite as cut throat. English football is probably the most competitive league system in the world. Because of the money involved, the amount of promotion/relegation places, and the size of clubs further down the pyramid. If you finished say 3rd bottom of the MLS, you won't be relegated, and you'll get the pick of the best young players and perhaps a great marquee signing for the following season
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Post by lpgas1 on Mar 7, 2021 14:24:36 GMT
Surely the contract must have performance targets, Mansfeld fans suggested the manager before GC was dismissed as results were so poor and he wasn't meeting his targets? What's odd is C1ty gave Pearson a 6 months contract, Chelsea their new manager 18 months but we give Barton 2.5 years! Unless we have performance get out clauses. Some managers do have terms which can limit the length of a contract. I was surprised when a manager was appointed at a club on a 3 year contract but had never managed before. Then I was told the contract could be terminated at any time by the club if the team wasn't in the top 6, lost 3 games on the trot etc. so effectively the contract was pretty worthless to the manager. He was sacked after 6 months without a pay off. Do I think that Joey Barton has that type of contract? No I don't and I expect he wrote his own contract which the club agreed to including bringing his own staff in. I would have thought that the club would have a right to terminate the contract if he is unable to fulfil the contract due to being in prison or should he face a lengthy ban from the EFL following the court case. Sometimes you can negotiate, so you say the manager / player wants a £1200 a week over 2 years, but you might be able to get him at £1000 a week over 2.5 years
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