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Post by oldmarket65 on Mar 7, 2021 13:37:17 GMT
All season we have struggled to score goals, with Ben only wanting one up top, too negative we need to start scoring to win games or southend here we come I agree but what do fans expect ? . We signed 2 strikers this season and one only had division one experience . Our existing striker Daly hardly played last year. Any club would struggle using a system with one recognised experienced striker at this level. So it's kinda self inflicted !.
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Post by daniel300380 on Mar 7, 2021 13:45:10 GMT
He played the most games though hasn’t he and our left back isn’t far behind him. When actually played upfront Daly and Ayungua can’t be far behind him in goals per game. Daly has not had a run since returning from injury, but before his injury he scored 3 goals in 8 starts in the league and 1 in 1 in the FA cup. Our best performances and run came with him upfront with Hanlon and with Nicholson in behind. The reason Hanlan must start is for several reasons . Firstly he's our top scorer and the only striker with experience in division one . Secondly : the board is to blame for signing two additional strikers who never hardly played in divisional football . Thirdly : Daly been a disappointment too. He's been here for 15 months and scored 4 goals . When we signed him just after Xmas and noticed he was on the bench around the festive period in 2019 in the premiership. I honestly thought he would be a big hit and big scorer . No-one can blame Jonah because he was playing in div 6 last year. So weighing everything up it's not like we got options . The vast amount of players have been flops this season Hanlan record is acceptable . So he's a must for me every game . Daly has started 11 games this season, some of them from the wing. Ayunga has started 3 games. They both have higher scoring rates than Hanlon per game. Daly is still only 21, so I would hardly say he’s been disappointing, he was signed for the future. I agree we shouldn’t have started the season with them, I have said that a number of times. But right now, the other 2 are a better option, if Hanlon isn’t training and is at 80%. Is it not better to rest him for a few weeks and have him at 100%, for the rest of the season??? At 80% and not training he might even break down completely and be out for the rest of the season.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Mar 7, 2021 13:53:59 GMT
The reason Hanlan must start is for several reasons . Firstly he's our top scorer and the only striker with experience in division one . Secondly : the board is to blame for signing two additional strikers who never hardly played in divisional football . Thirdly : Daly been a disappointment too. He's been here for 15 months and scored 4 goals . When we signed him just after Xmas and noticed he was on the bench around the festive period in 2019 in the premiership. I honestly thought he would be a big hit and big scorer . No-one can blame Jonah because he was playing in div 6 last year. So weighing everything up it's not like we got options . The vast amount of players have been flops this season Hanlan record is acceptable . So he's a must for me every game . Daly has started 11 games this season, some of them from the wing. Ayunga has started 3 games. They both have higher scoring rates than Hanlon per game. Daly is still only 21, so I would hardly say he’s been disappointing, he was signed for the future. I agree we shouldn’t have started the season with them, I have said that a number of times. But right now, the other 2 are a better option, if Hanlon isn’t training and is at 80%. Is it not better to rest him for a few weeks and have him at 100%, for the rest of the season??? At 80% and not training he might even break down completely and be out for the rest of the season. If your saying plan B is one striker who's netted 3 and the other 2 . Then it don't bode well for the future. By all means try it but our failure not to have at least two strikers with experience is likely to mean relegation sadly .
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Post by lpgas1 on Mar 7, 2021 13:54:37 GMT
What did we expect? The board gives the budget to a man who has never managed. Part of that budget went on 2 players (forwards) that have never played at this level. Then we add a load of kids to the team and get rid of most of our experienced players. Some of you wet your pants crying out we need to be sustainable. Truth is what club in the bottom 2 divisions is? We have what the board wanted, young players that we will sell on and thus remainaing a team rooted in the bottom 2 divisions. Meanwhile we have a very poor team, whilst all the others are picking up we are not. Unless Joey can pull a rabbit out of a hat then we are down, and we can safely say the "project " has failed, after all who would want to buy any of these? Kilgour maybe, none of the others though.
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Post by daniel300380 on Mar 7, 2021 14:04:35 GMT
Daly has started 11 games this season, some of them from the wing. Ayunga has started 3 games. They both have higher scoring rates than Hanlon per game. Daly is still only 21, so I would hardly say he’s been disappointing, he was signed for the future. I agree we shouldn’t have started the season with them, I have said that a number of times. But right now, the other 2 are a better option, if Hanlon isn’t training and is at 80%. Is it not better to rest him for a few weeks and have him at 100%, for the rest of the season??? At 80% and not training he might even break down completely and be out for the rest of the season. If your saying plan B is one striker who's netted 3 and the other 2 . Then it don't bode well for the future. By all means try it but our failure not to have at least two strikers with experience is likely to mean relegation sadly . Going into the season with 3 strikers and 4 left backs was ridiculous. Especially with 2 inexperienced strikers. Just think it’s a better option than playing a striker who is carrying an injury and doesn’t hold the ball up anyway. Is still a bad option, but the better of the bad options IMO. Daly might only have 3 in 11 starts, but at least he holds it up and links play and gets the team further up the pitch. He chases everything and puts the defence under pressure. Hanlon has 1 goal in last 13 starts. That’s far worse than Daly and Ayunga and he losses the ball most the time and he’s not even fit. I
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Post by oldmarket65 on Mar 7, 2021 14:05:22 GMT
What did we expect? The board gives the budget to a man who has never managed. Part of that budget went on 2 players (forwards) that have never played at this level. Then we add a load of kids to the team and get rid of most of our experienced players. Some of you wet your pants crying out we need to be sustainable. Truth is what club in the bottom 2 divisions is? We have what the board wanted, young players that we will sell on and thus remainaing a team rooted in the bottom 2 divisions. Meanwhile we have a very poor team, whilst all the others are picking up we are not. Unless Joey can pull a rabbit out of a hat then we are down, and we can safely say the "project " has failed, after all who would want to buy any of these? Kilgour maybe, none of the others though. Must say I agree !.
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Post by lpgas1 on Mar 7, 2021 14:07:37 GMT
I'm still mystified what Barton sees in Hanlan to make him think that we can't play without him in the starting lineup, as he suggested in his pre-match presser. No goals in our last 6 away games suggests he's hardly this season's equivalent to JCH. Barton has somehow got to find a way to start Ayunga on Tuesday, if he feels he can't drop Hanlan then he'll have to go 4-4-2. Although matching Accrington's formation may dictate our own starting line up? He is better than the rest of the dross we call forwards
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Post by james246 on Mar 7, 2021 14:12:53 GMT
Didn’t yesterday confirm that 442 (or variants of) is our best formation and we need to bring an end to the Hanlan on his own experiment? I am all for modern football and I hate going back to 1990s football but we didn’t half look a lot better with 2 up top. Maybe not ever 442, but definitely something with 2 up top. As I remember, this is what Tisdale did and we won a couple. Then we went back to the same old “watch Hanlan get outmuscled and fouled” formation. Hanlan looked loads better with Ayunga. If anyone should be played up top alone it’s Ayunga! I thought a lone striker was supposed to be a big guy? Did you see what I saw? Hanlan up top alone has to end. It hasn’t worked, he isn’t physical enough. It could work - put on half a stone in the gym over summer Brandon. Like Ellis did. Then you’ll be a no 9. Agreed we have to go with two strikers up top from the start
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Post by poorblue on Mar 7, 2021 14:27:26 GMT
I'm still mystified what Barton sees in Hanlan to make him think that we can't play without him in the starting lineup, as he suggested in his pre-match presser. No goals in our last 6 away games suggests he's hardly this season's equivalent to JCH. Barton has somehow got to find a way to start Ayunga on Tuesday, if he feels he can't drop Hanlan then he'll have to go 4-4-2. Although matching Accrington's formation may dictate our own starting line up? The fact he's top scorer? I can't recall a single pass up front to Hanlan where he controlled the ball. No shots either. Ayunga in his short time on the pitch easily IMO played better than Hanlan and had a good shot on goal. As Hanlan has played more games than every other striker put together it's not surprising he has scored more than them, strikers can't score goals if not on the pitch p.s. the above is not meant to be an anti Hanlan comment. He clearly has a good part to his play when running forward with the ball and a powerful shot but his ball control with his back to goal is (let's be honest) is woeful and neiher does he win any headers for flick on if paired with another striker. He is a one style striker and pretty good at that "but"!
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Post by lpgas1 on Mar 7, 2021 14:27:51 GMT
I would go 4-4-2, 8 in defence and 6 in attack, plus I suspect they have all played it at some time. Up front anyone who can trap a ball plus anyone who can hit it accurately and hard. Also when defending a corner I would leave one on the halfway line, and another two halfway in our own half. Ready for a quick break. Now is not the time for pretty football, now is the time to get that ball up front quickly and defend as if your lives depended on it.
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Post by pucklegas on Mar 7, 2021 14:28:51 GMT
All season we have struggled to score goals, with Ben only wanting one up top, too negative we need to start scoring to win games or southend here we come I agree but what do fans expect ? . We signed 2 strikers this year and one only had division one experience . Our existing striker Daly hardly played last year. Any club would struggle using a system with one recognised experienced striker at this level. So it's kinda self inflicted !. Ayunga up top with Daly, and use Hanlan for last 15 minutes, we have to limp towards the line whilst Burton and Wigan are on fire, we need wins and fast it's very depressing. First time this season decided not to watch yesterday as knew what was coming, hope Tuesday we get something before Saturday's massive game.
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Post by LJG on Mar 7, 2021 17:39:50 GMT
Now that Nichols is gone everyone suddenly wants to pick the first choice striker on goals per minutes played not the magic "most naturally gifted" metric.
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Post by aghast on Mar 7, 2021 20:13:03 GMT
Now that Nichols is gone everyone suddenly wants to pick the first choice striker on goals per minutes played not the magic "most naturally gifted" metric. It's brilliant isn't it? And that's why we all keep coming back for more endless illogical debate. The magic of Gaschat.
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Post by biggles on Mar 7, 2021 23:16:49 GMT
we had a joke years ago and said we had a player called ron nobody every time there was a cross in the box the commentater would say what a great cross but nobodys there to put it in the net
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