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Post by Blackbeard on Mar 7, 2021 17:39:14 GMT
Well it’s two weeks since JB and his coaches joined the Gas
have to say his impending appointment caused no end of mirth to myself with the way this forum carried on and divided for the most part into two camps
so without wishing to open any old or healing wounds but as a way of gauging option what do we think
I’ll start
I was pro-Barton and I still am. I was pleasantly surprised by his persona, he clearly was on a charm offensive which I didn’t need but see the reasons he did it and will I imagine he will still look to do it. I didn’t think he had a magic wand but I do think he would have looked at our first three games under him and thought - that’s 7 points straight away
which obviously hasn’t happened
I believe he has a much better chance of getting us clear than Tisdale did, for whatever reason the squad didn’t respond to him one bit
I think Barton’s press conferences have been very honest, measured, accurate and insightful
do I think he will keep us up ? I think so yes
is the challenge bigger than it was a fortnight ago ?
absolutely
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Post by casey12a on Mar 7, 2021 17:46:41 GMT
Whatever happens this season I'd like to see Joey our manager next season. If 3 managers can't get the results out of this bunch of players then it doesn't appear to be the managers that are the problem.
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Post by kampucheagas on Mar 7, 2021 17:47:47 GMT
I don’t think anyone could have come in and made an impact with this squad.
It’s horribly short of confidence and lacking in leaders.
It’s unbalanced and has no proven goalscorer
He has spoken well and the players will listen and respect him, they just aren’t good enough to provide the bounce we needed
My concern is twofold: what will happen regarding the trial in June, and will he want to remain if we go down? I think he’s driven and ambitious and won’t want to be away from his family whilst struggling at a basket case in LG 2
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Post by abingdongas on Mar 7, 2021 17:55:08 GMT
Tisdale used the phrase "I'm not a magician" in his last press conference. He was probably spot on.
I'm very condident that in the medium term Joey is the right man, he clearly has good leadership skills, but like Tisdale before him, he also is not "a magician". I don't think he will keep us up.
The squad simply is not good enough. He needs to use the rest of the season to get us all well prepared as possible (this means a massive change in playing staff) in order to return to league one at the first attempt next season.
I hate to say it, but the current squad could take us straight through to the National league!!
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Post by dcr on Mar 7, 2021 18:10:22 GMT
I don’t think anyone could have come in and made an impact with this squad. It’s horribly short of confidence and lacking in leaders. It’s unbalanced and has no proven goalscorer He has spoken well and the players will listen and respect him, they just aren’t good enough to provide the bounce we needed My concern is twofold: what will happen regarding the trial in June, and will he want to remain if we go down? I think he’s driven and ambitious and won’t want to be away from his family whilst struggling at a basket case in LG 2
Never mind
We will still have Widdrington to bring in some quality players
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Post by yattongas on Mar 7, 2021 18:17:48 GMT
I’d say we look about 10% better , we need about 30% to start getting results. Think he’ll turn it around but will he have enough time to get the points we need ? He needs to start Ayunga and Daly up front for starters , drop Harries and Kilgour.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 7, 2021 18:21:11 GMT
I don’t think anyone could have come in and made an impact with this squad. It’s horribly short of confidence and lacking in leaders. It’s unbalanced and has no proven goalscorer He has spoken well and the players will listen and respect him, they just aren’t good enough to provide the bounce we needed My concern is twofold: what will happen regarding the trial in June, and will he want to remain if we go down? I think he’s driven and ambitious and won’t want to be away from his family whilst struggling at a basket case in LG 2 Surely we're only a "basket case" on the pitch due to poor management/recruitment last summer which was compounded in January, if we get the recruitment side if things right there's no reason why we can't compete with the likes of Lincoln and Fleetwood, or similar clubs in L2. By next summer phase 1 of the training ground should be completed and whoever is in charge will most likely be given a decent L1 playing budget or a good L2 playing budget. Whilst the stadium issue will still have to resolved, I can't see that makes the playing side of the club a "basket case". If TW's player recruitment is an issue JB will have to try and resolve that issue with Wael, assuming he remains our manager.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 7, 2021 18:23:33 GMT
I’d say we look about 10% better , we need about 30% to start getting results. Think he’ll turn it around but will he have enough time to get the points we need ? He needs to start Ayunga and Daly up front for starters , drop Harries and Kilgour. 4 of the next 6 games are at home, assuming we can cut out the defensive errors and find a way of scoring goals, then there's still light at the end of the tunnel. If we're still stuck in the bottom 4 in 6 games time the light could well be dimming!
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Post by yattongas on Mar 7, 2021 18:28:37 GMT
I’d say we look about 10% better , we need about 30% to start getting results. Think he’ll turn it around but will he have enough time to get the points we need ? He needs to start Ayunga and Daly up front for starters , drop Harries and Kilgour. 4 of the next 6 games are at home, assuming we can cut out the defensive errors and find a way of scoring goals, then there's still light at the end of the tunnel. If we're still stuck in the bottom 4 in 6 games time the light could well be dimming! In the home table we’re 4th bottom , in the away table we’re 3rd from bottom. Basically what I’m trying to say is we’re not very good. 😀
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Post by kampucheagas on Mar 7, 2021 18:31:06 GMT
I don’t think anyone could have come in and made an impact with this squad. It’s horribly short of confidence and lacking in leaders. It’s unbalanced and has no proven goalscorer He has spoken well and the players will listen and respect him, they just aren’t good enough to provide the bounce we needed My concern is twofold: what will happen regarding the trial in June, and will he want to remain if we go down? I think he’s driven and ambitious and won’t want to be away from his family whilst struggling at a basket case in LG 2 Surely we're only a "basket case" on the pitch due to poor management/recruitment last summer which was compounded in January, if we get the recruitment side if things right there's no reason why we can't compete with the likes of Lincoln and Fleetwood, or similar clubs in L2. By next summer phase 1 of the training ground should be completed and whoever is in charge will most likely be given a decent L1 playing budget or a good L2 playing budget. Whilst the stadium issue will still have to resolved, I can't see that makes the playing side of the club a "basket case". If TW's player recruitment is an issue JB will have to try and resolve that issue with Wael, assuming he remains our manager. I hope you are right Topper, I really do. If we can stay in League 1 and Barton doesn’t end up in trouble with the law we are looking mildly rosy. We go down, Barton loses his case, we hire again and have endless regimes coaches to deal with.... that’s pretty basket case (in my opinion) We are on a knife edge!
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Post by bobbyjones on Mar 7, 2021 18:32:36 GMT
I’d say we look about 10% better , we need about 30% to start getting results. Think he’ll turn it around but will he have enough time to get the points we need ? He needs to start Ayunga and Daly up front for starters , drop Harries and Kilgour. 4 of the next 6 games are at home, assuming we can cut out the defensive errors and find a way of scoring goals, then there's still light at the end of the tunnel. If we're still stuck in the bottom 4 in 6 games time the light could well be dimming! The lights will be out.
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Post by stevek192 on Mar 7, 2021 18:40:43 GMT
I would actually say at the moment that Barton has a better chance of winning his case than we have of staying up so I hope that whatever he is our Manager next season. I would go as far on the case to say it should have been sorted outside of Court as it "takes two to Tango" and I do0n't imagine that the opposing Manager had just "done nothing". He obviously done something to stir Joey up and wasn't big enough to take the reaction.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 7, 2021 18:52:26 GMT
4 of the next 6 games are at home, assuming we can cut out the defensive errors and find a way of scoring goals, then there's still light at the end of the tunnel. If we're still stuck in the bottom 4 in 6 games time the light could well be dimming! The lights will be out. Nice to see a bit of positivity on a Sunday evening!
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 7, 2021 18:59:29 GMT
I would actually say at the moment that Barton has a better chance of winning his case than we have of staying up so I hope that whatever he is our Manager next season. I would go as far on the case to say it should have been sorted outside of Court as it "takes two to Tango" and I do0n't imagine that the opposing Manager had just "done nothing". He obviously done something to stir Joey up and wasn't big enough to take the reaction. Just a pity for JB the law doesn't work like that in the UK!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2021 19:04:48 GMT
I would actually say at the moment that Barton has a better chance of winning his case than we have of staying up so I hope that whatever he is our Manager next season. I would go as far on the case to say it should have been sorted outside of Court as it "takes two to Tango" and I do0n't imagine that the opposing Manager had just "done nothing". He obviously done something to stir Joey up and wasn't big enough to take the reaction. Judge the case on the evidence just like the jury will have to and the EFL following the trial.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Mar 7, 2021 20:38:29 GMT
I don't really understand why people are sure they want JB next season if we go down. Surely we have to see what sort of fist he makes of the relegation fight before deciding on something like that.
I was pretty confident he would keep us up, but getting less so with every game.
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Post by dmacca65 on Mar 7, 2021 21:01:08 GMT
No doubt about it the squad we have for one reason or another do not appear to be good enough at this moment in time, they may go on to improve but that is no good to us now. I would guess we need at least five players of better quality/experience to turn what we have into a half decent league one team. The rest will be down to the manager & coaching staff, I believe JB and his side kicks are as good as any we could hope for to do the job?
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Post by Gassy on Mar 7, 2021 21:13:45 GMT
I don't really understand why people are sure they want JB next season if we go down. Surely we have to see what sort of fist he makes of the relegation fight before deciding on something like that. I was pretty confident he would keep us up, but getting less so with every game. I think its more to do with the fact that on paper Tisdale & Barton were good appointments with good experience, if neither of them can get anything out of this squad then really no one can. Barton did well previously and at least has improved the performances so far. Of course if we lose every game this season without a wimper, then I expect that view to change.
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Post by henry on Mar 7, 2021 21:27:13 GMT
I would actually say at the moment that Barton has a better chance of winning his case than we have of staying up so I hope that whatever he is our Manager next season. I would go as far on the case to say it should have been sorted outside of Court as it "takes two to Tango" and I do0n't imagine that the opposing Manager had just "done nothing". He obviously done something to stir Joey up and wasn't big enough to take the reaction. Would you be saying that of he was still the manager of Fleetwood and not Rovers? The video evidence will say one way or another who was wronged but one day Barton will hopefully be put on his arse good and proper then he may well just reign himself in.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Mar 7, 2021 21:43:17 GMT
I don't really understand why people are sure they want JB next season if we go down. Surely we have to see what sort of fist he makes of the relegation fight before deciding on something like that. I was pretty confident he would keep us up, but getting less so with every game. That's fair enough but at some point we are going to have to stick with a manager, the fact he's signed a contract past the end of the season makes me think even if the worst does happen he'll be the one tasked with getting us back up
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