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Post by Centenary Gas on Nov 29, 2014 22:10:25 GMT
Our last 17 games...
Won 10, drawn 6, lost 1. Thats 36 points, or 2.11 points a game.
If we continue this form until the end of the season, we will finish on 89 points. If Barnet continue their form, they will finish on 92 points.
However... they haven't really had their bad patch, despite losing 3 of the last 10. They just manage to turn more of their draws into wins. Our squad has gradually been much improving, so much so that our options going forward (Della-Verde, Martin, Balanta, Blissett, loan strikers) make anything possible for us. The game of two halves we seen today showed the difference the new players make. Add to that a manager that doesn't just take a point away, players that give 100% and are so much more down to earth than those from previous years... And a board who have been shown it is possible to do it with 1 year contracts and much lower wage bills.
Exciting times! Please no more of this DC out crap, I even heard people suggesting it at HT today...
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Post by socrates on Nov 29, 2014 22:19:56 GMT
Regarding your last sentence I think the reasons we've got fans saying this is becsuse we are so used to our managers failing that it's almost ingrained in us to moan , say we are sh** and ask for something new . At some point the penny's got to drop and the fan base realises that maybe what we need is consistency and stability and not launch into the manager and board after a draw or defeat and be just be what we are supposed to be ...supporters. I think most of us can see that we are on our way to something good now and as for those that are still moaning well there always going to be some aren't there, there is at every club no matter what the situation.
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Post by Strange Gas on Nov 29, 2014 22:38:19 GMT
We are exactly half way so 41 points should translate to 82 come end of season. That should be comfortable play off. We will need well in excess of 90 for automatic I think, so agree is very tight. Good news is feels like we are building a great squad, so momentum is there. Tempted to get on that darn bus, may ask for a ticket for Christmas!
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Post by kingswood gas on Nov 29, 2014 22:47:45 GMT
Our last 17 games... Won 10, drawn 6, lost 1. Thats 36 points, or 2.11 points a game. If we continue this form until the end of the season, we will finish on 89 points. If Barnet continue their form, they will finish on 92 points. However... they haven't really had their bad patch, despite losing 3 of the last 10. They just manage to turn more of their draws into wins. Our squad has gradually been much improving, so much so that our options going forward (Della-Verde, Martin, Balanta, Blissett, loan strikers) make anything possible for us. The game of two halves we seen today showed the difference the new players make. Add to that a manager that doesn't just take a point away, players that give 100% and are so much more down to earth than those from previous years... And a board who have been shown it is possible to do it with 1 year contracts and much lower wage bills. Exciting times! Please no more of this DC out crap, I even heard people suggesting it at HT today... Great post mate.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Nov 29, 2014 22:59:31 GMT
It's worth pointing out too, that when you take into account Forest Green's likely 3pt deduction, we are 6 pts ahead of those outside the play-offs.
Pts per game league:
Barnet 2.04 Gas 1.78 Woking 1.77 Grimsby 1.71 Macclesfield 1.70
If we keep up our current form and Barnet have a mini-wobble, we'll be right there. Our mini-wobble was the first three games. Since then we've taken 40pts from 20 games - 2pts per game. Might have to find out where the nearest bus stop is........
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Post by Centenary Gas on Nov 29, 2014 23:04:28 GMT
It's worth pointing out too, that when you take into account Forest Green's likely 3pt deduction, we are 6 pts ahead of those outside the play-offs. Might have to find out where the nearest bus stop is........ It's been a long time since we spent most of the season in the top half, let alone the top 5... If we went up this year, I have every faith that DC would take us up again. Bigger budget, 4 teams promoted, plenty of players already settled in a good team going into a league in which half of the teams are no better than the top few in the Conference.
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Post by Staffordshire Gas on Nov 29, 2014 23:15:33 GMT
Quality is the key.We do not have to make do with mediocrity any longer.Even Clark who scored the winner at Telford and has done OK since couldn't make the bench to-day.Reckon Gosling will be lucky to keep his place tuesday but with even Trotman on the bench that bit of extra class is working wonders.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2014 11:46:10 GMT
A lot of fans (me included) needed a lot of time and evidence to believe in DC. I don't think thats a surprising thing after the last 14 years and after 2 quick relegations. Some of the stuff he said in the press didn't help either. I'm happy for those of you that saw something in him that myself and others didn't to have your moment of recognition and moving forwards I don't think anyone can question the quality of the squad.
If I'm honest I retained a lot of doubts about him until the signings of LDV and Blissett but now I see he is getting us somewhere. I still think it will take longer to get others on board and he is in a no win situation as if we go up thats kind of the expectation and I don't think he will get the widespread plaudits until we are competing near the top of league 2. Thats football I guess especially at a club as used to failure as ours.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Nov 30, 2014 11:51:01 GMT
A lot of fans (me included) needed a lot of time and evidence to believe in DC. I don't think thats a surprising thing after the last 14 years and after 2 quick relegations. Some of the stuff he said in the press didn't help either. I'm happy for those of you that saw something in him that myself and others didn't to have your moment of recognition and moving forwards I don't think anyone can question the quality of the squad. If I'm honest I retained a lot of doubts about him until the signings of LDV and Blissett but now I see he is getting us somewhere. I still think it will take longer to get others on board and he is in a no win situation as if we go up thats kind of the expectation and I don't think he will get the widespread plaudits until we are competing near the top of league 2. Thats football I guess especially at a club as used to failure as ours. I've been behind the bloke since the summer. He bided his time with the signings he has made and thought with a clear mind before just bringing in anybody. His patience is now paying off it seems and he has assembled a good squad who will have a superb work ethic and a bit of quality added into the mix as well. He has worked wonders IMO and the future is looking bright.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 30, 2014 12:36:20 GMT
Not knocking DC but as he really worked wonders or just dome what any manager should do with his budget, I sense we've just got use to managers wasting the budget on the likes of Virgo & Kenneth.
For all JW's failings at least he left DC with virtually a clean slate to work with.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2014 12:36:53 GMT
Were you behind him because of his past achievements ? Performence last season or just because you have that ultra loyal and optimistic nature ?
Just wondering what I missed.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2014 12:39:14 GMT
It has taken DC time to win many of us over many blamed him for loss of our league status and did not believe he had what was needed. I am sure DC was aware of this and credit to him that he accepted it and got on with the job. I think people are beginning to see that DC can be a good manager at this level and they are starting to believe again. It has taken a while because relegation to the conference is the bitterest of blows but we are getting there together.
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Post by phillistine on Nov 30, 2014 12:41:08 GMT
Not knocking DC but as he really worked wonders or just dome what any manager should do with his budget, I sense we've just got use to managers wasting the budget on the likes of Virgo & Kenneth. For all JW's failings at least he left DC with virtually a clean slate to work with. Its funny you should say that because someone who actually knows what he has to work with has told me that DC is doing wonders with his budget .
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2014 12:41:57 GMT
It has taken DC time to win many of us over many blamed him for loss of our league status and did not believe he had what was needed. I am sure DC was aware of this and credit to him that he accepted it and got on with the job. I think people are beginning to see that DC can be a good manager at this level and they are starting to believe again. It has taken a while because relegation to the conference is the bitterest of blows but we are getting there together. Completely agree, he looked out if his depth last season and it took longer then expected to build his team. It was hard to trust he knew what he was doing because when did we last have a manager that did ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2014 12:45:30 GMT
A lot of fans (me included) needed a lot of time and evidence to believe in DC. I don't think thats a surprising thing after the last 14 years and after 2 quick relegations. Some of the stuff he said in the press didn't help either. I'm happy for those of you that saw something in him that myself and others didn't to have your moment of recognition and moving forwards I don't think anyone can question the quality of the squad. If I'm honest I retained a lot of doubts about him until the signings of LDV and Blissett but now I see he is getting us somewhere. I still think it will take longer to get others on board and he is in a no win situation as if we go up thats kind of the expectation and I don't think he will get the widespread plaudits until we are competing near the top of league 2. Thats football I guess especially at a club as used to failure as ours. I'm completey with you on this Dins. I started to be won over oddly enough about the time he was under real pressure. (about the Braintree result). I started to look at the improvements and worry about who else we'd end up with. It was then that I started to become more convinced by him. Fair play to the true believers who always knew best. I'm sure they will forgive us mortals our weaknesses.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Nov 30, 2014 12:49:54 GMT
If we continue this form until the end of the season, we will finish on 89 points. If Barnet continue their form, they will finish on 92 points. fwiw, I think 89 points will be enough to win the league.
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Post by Centenary Gas on Nov 30, 2014 13:15:50 GMT
Not knocking DC but as he really worked wonders or just dome what any manager should do with his budget, I sense we've just got use to managers wasting the budget on the likes of Virgo & Kenneth. For all JW's failings at least he left DC with virtually a clean slate to work with. I would disagree. His budget was slashed in half, and a lot of that was swallowed up by the players remaining from last year who are on league one and league two wages. Mildenhall and Sinclair's wages are in different ballparks.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2014 13:32:13 GMT
Here's why I always liked DC:
- I never blamed him for relegation. He wasn't out of his depth, he took a side that was getting relegated anyway (i posted on the old forum the day JW went that we were going down, regardless of our league position at the time) he took a side with a terrible character and lack of ability. He tried to change it in the ways 99% of us wanted: two upfront, 3 at the back in away games and it didn't work out, but i'm convinced that not many would have kept us up. Didn't help on the last day we lost both full backs.
- He always showed a passion and was the only one to stand up to relegation. I didn't even blame the bloke and he was the one person in the club who stood up and took it on the chin.
- I always warmed to his philosophy. No more players happy to accept a big wage was the big thing. He's come in and signed the majority on short term contracts. He shopped for high character players, the likes of Sinclair and Mansell, people who would fight for Bristol Rovers. It's took a while, but it does look like after a start where he had to go for what worked, it looks like he's going for two wingers and attacking football. He always for me has been able to speak a good game.
- He also wasn't signing players with injury prone records, you can see our record this year compared to the last god knows how long.
For people who say that he's just doing what he should be doing, well that's untrue. Two teams have ever bounced directly back into the football league, I was expecting midtable even liking DC as a manager. We have the likes of Mildy, Brown, Parkes, McChrystal, Lockyer, Clarke all on League 2 wages, with the rest of the budget slashed and DC leaving room to maneouvre and not splashing all of the budget at the start of the season, you've got to say he's done ridiculously well bringing in the calibre of players he has.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Nov 30, 2014 13:52:13 GMT
Here's why I always liked DC: - I never blamed him for relegation. He wasn't out of his depth, he took a side that was getting relegated anyway (i posted on the old forum the day JW went that we were going down, regardless of our league position at the time) he took a side with a terrible character and lack of ability. He tried to change it in the ways 99% of us wanted: two upfront, 3 at the back in away games and it didn't work out, but i'm convinced that not many would have kept us up. Didn't help on the last day we lost both full backs. - He always showed a passion and was the only one to stand up to relegation. I didn't even blame the bloke and he was the one person in the club who stood up and took it on the chin. - I always warmed to his philosophy. No more players happy to accept a big wage was the big thing. He's come in and signed the majority on short term contracts. He shopped for high character players, the likes of Sinclair and Mansell, people who would fight for Bristol Rovers. It's took a while, but it does look like after a start where he had to go for what worked, it looks like he's going for two wingers and attacking football. He always for me has been able to speak a good game. - He also wasn't signing players with injury prone records, you can see our record this year compared to the last god knows how long. For people who say that he's just doing what he should be doing, well that's untrue. Two teams have ever bounced directly back into the football league, I was expecting midtable even liking DC as a manager. We have the likes of Mildy, Brown, Parkes, McChrystal, Lockyer, Clarke all on League 2 wages, with the rest of the budget slashed and DC leaving room to maneouvre and not splashing all of the budget at the start of the season, you've got to say he's done ridiculously well bringing in the calibre of players he has. My favourite thing about him is he actually seems to walk the talk. He is also not getting carried away and trying to control the fans expectations which can only be a good thing for us because I know a lot of us are starting to really beliebe we can do it. There is still a long way to go though.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 30, 2014 14:06:30 GMT
Not knocking DC but as he really worked wonders or just dome what any manager should do with his budget, I sense we've just got use to managers wasting the budget on the likes of Virgo & Kenneth. For all JW's failings at least he left DC with virtually a clean slate to work with. I would disagree. His budget was slashed in half, and a lot of that was swallowed up by the players remaining from last year who are on league one and league two wages. Mildenhall and Sinclair's wages are in different ballparks. They can't be swallowing up much of our wage bill is when can afford to leave the likes of Harrison & Leadbitter in the stands, I doubt any other Conference club could do that? We really are the Man C/Chelsea of the Conference although that means failure to win promotion could be considered failure by the BoD.
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