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Post by eastgas on Mar 24, 2021 15:03:38 GMT
Making the club sustainable. I honestly cannot think of any club in Div 1 or 2 that can claim it. If you want to be sustainable, you need a winning team, an up to date ground that can be open 7 days a week for functions or events. That's technically advanced so as to need less staff. And a restaurant that is open every evening and even a hotel bolted on to it. and more importantly, the supporters enjoy going to, where they dont get wet, they have a clear view, and they have good facilities such as the bogs with working taps and decent had driers. Food outlets that are efficient and not too expensive. A superstore, with a bigger range in than ours. Flexible ticketing. Season tickets that can be priced in a way to encourage more people to buy one. You are not going to do it by selling players alone. Everyone knows that, because like this, and probably next season we dont have anyone worth selling for more than a few thousand. As long as we have a ramshackle ground that is limited in capacity, parking, toilets, food outlets and in need of constant maintenance then you can forget the word SUSTAINABLE While I do agree with some of this, as in at the moment we can forget sustainability, but surely it’s what we have to work towards as wael can only lose so much. It’s the problem with the football pyramid at present and can only continue so long before the football finance bubble outside of the premier league bursts. Pre-COVID there were teams that were running at a pretty close to sustainable model. This is where I’m hoping “the great reset” comes into it, we need to find a new direction and with the right people with the right ideas it can work. Our first attempt at achieving this has failed miserably but I’m hoping we have learned some lessons and can get it right this time around. We should never of allowed BG a manager with no experience, an assistant manager with no experience and a board with no experience the chance to accomplish this. We clearly tried to walk before we could run and change everything at once especially the playing side
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Post by stevek192 on Mar 24, 2021 15:23:11 GMT
Joey Barton will work within the club philosophy and therefore we won't be seeing loads of players going out of the door in the summer and it will mainly be those out of contract or surplus to JB's requirements. I think he will see like I do that all the players are not bad and all we require is about 3-6 new players in vital positions and that will turn the fortunes around. I think he will look for a new spine to the team- Central defender, Central midfield and two strikers to supplement Ayunga,Hanlan and Daly. In midfield I can see Grant, Westbrooke, Barrett being retained and Ogogo, Upson, Hargreaves and possibly Liddle released or free to leave. in defence I think we will see Baldwin, Kilgour, Williams, Leahy, and one of Tutonda and Koiki being retained with Ehmer, Little, Hare and possibly Harries free to go. I don't know whether Rodman will get a new contract due to his injury record and Oztumer will almost certainly be going back to Charlton. Hopefully we will be able to keep hold of Nicholson. McCormick will almost certainly move up to Millwall. Hopefully JB will look to add some pace out wide and in the midfield.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Mar 24, 2021 16:03:06 GMT
Referring back to the OPs original question, my thoughts on it are “the great reset” may not necessarily mean a shift into a new vision for the club. I can’t see that wael will want to move away from the sustainability model and vision and DNA he set out for the club in the summer. Wael is obviously a very wealthy man, but with the current financial climate worldwide there will be a limit to finances and at some point that limit will be reached, leaving a financial sustainability model, or as close too, the only real viable option. I can’t believe wael would appoint JB, or JB would join without the vision moving forward being discussed and agreed on by both parties. For me “the great reset” as referred to by JB will likely be ripping up what has been started and starting over again with a more clear plan and view on how to achieve our transition into Waels vision and direction for BRFC. I agree with what was laid out in the summer and still believe in what we are hoping to achieve, but believe the way it was set about was completely wrong. I think it was a case of trying to build Rome in a day and hopefully a lot will have been learned from this lesson and the great reset will take a better planned approach. We are not aware of the ins and outs and the working behind the scenes, but we can all take educated guesses that all things may not be rosy as the last and current manager have eluded to. This could be a number of things, maybe not all staff/board members are on board with waels new vision, maybe things were not put in place correctly for the managers to achieve what was required due to people higher up not doing their jobs correctly. There could be a whole host of things that could be wrong which we may or may not ever come to light. I’m just hopeful the great reset recognises what has gone wrong, or who isn’t on board and those issues are rectified and we can start again as I do believe what wael wants is what’s best for this great club I hope they explain it in the summer too, so I can understand the changes in simple terms... cuz if it doesn't have a number in a box I am a bit thick
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Post by garystash on Mar 24, 2021 16:24:50 GMT
3:39 "What we don't want to do now is to recruit managers that bring in their own philosophy and ideas that are different to ours". 4 months later...."great reset"? How does this tally coherently? Maybe it has slapped them all in the face that you don't win anything with kids. You know, I watched "The Class of 92" on prime the other day. In it Gary Neville says Alan Hansen was right - you don't win anything with kids. However, Manchester United had Peter Schmeichel, Gary Pallister, Steve Bruce, Brian McClair and Eric Cantona. Ben Garner dismissed much of our experience, and that's where our plan of developing youth has gone wrong.
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Post by playtowin on Mar 24, 2021 16:50:08 GMT
Joey Barton will work within the club philosophy and therefore we won't be seeing loads of players going out of the door in the summer and it will mainly be those out of contract or surplus to JB's requirements. I think he will see like I do that all the players are not bad and all we require is about 3-6 new players in vital positions and that will turn the fortunes around. I think he will look for a new spine to the team- Central defender, Central midfield and two strikers to supplement Ayunga,Hanlan and Daly. In midfield I can see Grant, Westbrooke, Barrett being retained and Ogogo, Upson, Hargreaves and possibly Liddle released or free to leave. in defence I think we will see Baldwin, Kilgour, Williams, Leahy, and one of Tutonda and Koiki being retained with Ehmer, Little, Hare and possibly Harries free to go. I don't know whether Rodman will get a new contract due to his injury record and Oztumer will almost certainly be going back to Charlton. Hopefully we will be able to keep hold of Nicholson. McCormick will almost certainly move up to Millwall. Hopefully JB will look to add some pace out wide and in the midfield. Im sure a few will leave to create space for new faces. It happens every season. A strong central core is the recipe for success at most clubs. So regardless of who stays or goes Rovers will... Need to be certain Jaakola is fit and in form and wanting to stay. Sign an experienced vocal central defender , a box to box strong central midfielder ,an experienced striker. Importantly they need to be players who want to win ,no matter what level they play at. Get those signings right and for starters you wont be in a relegation scrap. I was pleased with how Alex Rodman was so behind the players and the team doing well during the natch commentary. Really rooting for every pass tackle head or shot.
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Post by Jomo on Mar 24, 2021 16:54:48 GMT
Maybe it has slapped them all in the face that you don't win anything with kids. You know, I watched "The Class of 92" on prime the other day. In it Gary Neville says Alan Hansen was right - you don't win anything with kids. However, Manchester United had Peter Schmeichel, Gary Pallister, Steve Bruce, Brian McClair and Eric Cantona. Ben Garner dismissed much of our experience, and that's where our plan of developing youth has gone wrong. I'm not disagreeing with what you say, but surely the likes of Anssi, Leahy, Baldwin, Ehmer, Little, Rodman and Upson should in theory provide plenty of experience to supplement our younger players? It's not like we've got a full team of kids. We also have McCormick, one of our young players, who is putting many of the others to shame with his passion, energy and commitment. So maybe it's not the fact that we have several inexperienced players, maybe it's just that they're not good enough?
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Post by garystash on Mar 24, 2021 17:02:58 GMT
You know, I watched "The Class of 92" on prime the other day. In it Gary Neville says Alan Hansen was right - you don't win anything with kids. However, Manchester United had Peter Schmeichel, Gary Pallister, Steve Bruce, Brian McClair and Eric Cantona. Ben Garner dismissed much of our experience, and that's where our plan of developing youth has gone wrong. I'm not disagreeing with what you say, but surely the likes of Anssi, Leahy, Baldwin, Ehmer, Little, Rodman and Upson should in theory provide plenty of experience to supplement our younger players? It's not like we've got a full team of kids. We also have McCormick, one of our young players, who is putting many of the others to shame with his passion, energy and commitment. So maybe it's not the fact that we have several inexperienced players, maybe it's just that they're not good enough? No, you make a fair point. I think Anssi has been a massive miss for his experience. Plus Rodman and Little have hardly played (the latter since he joined us). I feel as though Ehmer (and Little) are on JB's list of players that bring "lethargy" tio the squad. Neither ever seem that bothered about playing for us imo.
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Mar 24, 2021 17:15:45 GMT
When we saw success under DC, the whole spine of the team was built on experienced pros. Mildenhall, Macca, Mansell and Easter all fundamental to our success.
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Post by playtowin on Mar 24, 2021 17:31:20 GMT
You know, I watched "The Class of 92" on prime the other day. In it Gary Neville says Alan Hansen was right - you don't win anything with kids. However, Manchester United had Peter Schmeichel, Gary Pallister, Steve Bruce, Brian McClair and Eric Cantona. Ben Garner dismissed much of our experience, and that's where our plan of developing youth has gone wrong. I'm not disagreeing with what you say, but surely the likes of Anssi, Leahy, Baldwin, Ehmer, Little, Rodman and Upson should in theory provide plenty of experience to supplement our younger players? It's not like we've got a full team of kids. We also have McCormick, one of our young players, who is putting many of the others to shame with his passion, energy and commitment. So maybe it's not the fact that we have several inexperienced players, maybe it's just that they're not good enough? I dont know the answer to this question ,so if anyone does please tell. What experience of promotion from league one do the named players have ? Only players who have achieved promotion will know whats needed. As the team began the campaign with the aim of promotion how many knew how to get it from experience. That includes the coaches too.
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Post by Jomo on Mar 24, 2021 17:39:58 GMT
I'm not disagreeing with what you say, but surely the likes of Anssi, Leahy, Baldwin, Ehmer, Little, Rodman and Upson should in theory provide plenty of experience to supplement our younger players? It's not like we've got a full team of kids. We also have McCormick, one of our young players, who is putting many of the others to shame with his passion, energy and commitment. So maybe it's not the fact that we have several inexperienced players, maybe it's just that they're not good enough? I dont know the answer to this question ,so if anyone does please tell. What experience of promotion from league one do the named players have ? Only players who have achieved promotion will know whats needed. As the team began the campaign with the aim of promotion how many knew how to get it from experience. That includes the coaches too. From memory, Little and Upson have both been promoted from L1? Add to that Westbrooke from last season. Not sure about the others.
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Post by lpgas1 on Mar 24, 2021 18:43:14 GMT
When we saw success under DC, the whole spine of the team was built on experienced pros. Mildenhall, Macca, Mansell and Easter all fundamental to our success. and Coughlin: Ansi: Tom Davies: Agogo: JCH.
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Post by lpgas1 on Mar 24, 2021 18:45:37 GMT
Garner should have given Craig another season. He got rid of the ones that might question his judgement, or refuse to play "Garnerball"
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Post by lpgas1 on Mar 24, 2021 18:48:33 GMT
Referring back to the OPs original question, my thoughts on it are “the great reset” may not necessarily mean a shift into a new vision for the club. I can’t see that wael will want to move away from the sustainability model and vision and DNA he set out for the club in the summer. Wael is obviously a very wealthy man, but with the current financial climate worldwide there will be a limit to finances and at some point that limit will be reached, leaving a financial sustainability model, or as close too, the only real viable option. I can’t believe wael would appoint JB, or JB would join without the vision moving forward being discussed and agreed on by both parties. For me “the great reset” as referred to by JB will likely be ripping up what has been started and starting over again with a more clear plan and view on how to achieve our transition into Waels vision and direction for BRFC. I agree with what was laid out in the summer and still believe in what we are hoping to achieve, but believe the way it was set about was completely wrong. I think it was a case of trying to build Rome in a day and hopefully a lot will have been learned from this lesson and the great reset will take a better planned approach. We are not aware of the ins and outs and the working behind the scenes, but we can all take educated guesses that all things may not be rosy as the last and current manager have eluded to. This could be a number of things, maybe not all staff/board members are on board with waels new vision, maybe things were not put in place correctly for the managers to achieve what was required due to people higher up not doing their jobs correctly. There could be a whole host of things that could be wrong which we may or may not ever come to light. I’m just hopeful the great reset recognises what has gone wrong, or who isn’t on board and those issues are rectified and we can start again as I do believe what wael wants is what’s best for this great club I hope they explain it in the summer too, so I can understand the changes in simple terms... cuz if it doesn't have a number in a box I am a bit thick I think we will go all out to get back to league one, and Barton will get the players in Widdrington can go on the TV and appologise
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2021 18:50:08 GMT
JB did ok at fleetwood , who’s to say he won’t improve on that , given time here ? Just ok with double the budget that there is at Rovers. I hope Wael has deep pockets when Joey's summer demands come in if he can get the messages out from Leyhill.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Mar 24, 2021 18:54:35 GMT
Cheap shot .
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Mar 24, 2021 18:56:01 GMT
Cheap shot .
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Post by windy1 on Mar 24, 2021 19:01:07 GMT
JB did ok at fleetwood , who’s to say he won’t improve on that , given time here ? Just ok with double the budget that there is at Rovers. I hope Wael has deep pockets when Joey's summer demands come in if he can get the messages out from Leyhill. Both Rovers and Barton going down?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2021 19:06:10 GMT
Not really, just an observation based on a fact and a strong possibility.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Mar 24, 2021 19:23:14 GMT
Well let’s hope not , especially for his wife and children .
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 24, 2021 19:30:53 GMT
Making the club sustainable. I honestly cannot think of any club in Div 1 or 2 that can claim it. If you want to be sustainable, you need a winning team, an up to date ground that can be open 7 days a week for functions or events. That's technically advanced so as to need less staff. And a restaurant that is open every evening and even a hotel bolted on to it. and more importantly, the supporters enjoy going to, where they dont get wet, they have a clear view, and they have good facilities such as the bogs with working taps and decent had driers. Food outlets that are efficient and not too expensive. A superstore, with a bigger range in than ours. Flexible ticketing. Season tickets that can be priced in a way to encourage more people to buy one. You are not going to do it by selling players alone. Everyone knows that, because like this, and probably next season we dont have anyone worth selling for more than a few thousand. As long as we have a ramshackle ground that is limited in capacity, parking, toilets, food outlets and in need of constant maintenance then you can forget the word SUSTAINABLE Peterborough seem to have achieved that model? Although they are the exception and it didn't happen overnight. Probably the best model to follow is Luton's, as somehow they are surviving in the Championship with a ground almost as bad as the Mem and are hardly in a great catchment area for football supporters. As far as LJG clearly having a dislike for JB and suggesting that we only have success when recruit from within, does he really feel the likes of Hargreaves and Mansell can take the club forward, as they seem the only potential management team with any Rovers connections. I wouldn't be surprised if Hargreaves isn't one of the club's employees facing the chop, given how few players step up from the Academy/DS to the 1st team. When was the last one to step up and hold down a 1st place, Kilgour?
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