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Post by Dirt Dogg on Apr 12, 2021 7:32:48 GMT
Its taken me a couple of hours just to come to terms with where we are and where we are headed. I'm not blaming Barton, hes only using the cards hes been dealt, and with each passing game we head closer to league 2 next season, and I'm slowly coming to terms with that also. Im quite keen on joey as our manager, its refreshing to see a manager with a bit of passion. The question I guess I'm really asking .. Does he really want us? I wouldn't be surprised if we're in league 2 this time next year with a different manager Barton got it wrong against Northampton. Left it way too late to make changes. I don’t agree, Northampton didn’t look like scoring until an individual error from a player who wouldn’t have been subbed off followed by a dodgy pen. Even then we hit the bar and had half chances to win the game.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Apr 12, 2021 9:40:26 GMT
Its taken me a couple of hours just to come to terms with where we are and where we are headed. I'm not blaming Barton, hes only using the cards hes been dealt, and with each passing game we head closer to league 2 next season, and I'm slowly coming to terms with that also. Im quite keen on joey as our manager, its refreshing to see a manager with a bit of passion. The question I guess I'm really asking .. Does he really want us? I wouldn't be surprised if we're in league 2 this time next year with a different manager Barton got it wrong against Northampton. Left it way too late to make changes. I kinda agree. I thought it was the wrong call when it was made....Hare for Westbrooke? Na.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Apr 12, 2021 11:19:00 GMT
On the one hand we really missed Westbrooke after they equalised. We didn’t have anyone capable of linking play and picking a pass when we needed it the most.
On the other hand if Baldwin doesn’t fall over it’s very likely we would have won that match comfortably.
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Post by I Voted For Kodos on Apr 12, 2021 11:45:36 GMT
Barton got it wrong against Northampton. Left it way too late to make changes. I don’t agree, Northampton didn’t look like scoring until an individual error from a player who wouldn’t have been subbed off followed by a dodgy pen. Even then we hit the bar and had half chances to win the game. The change in formation did have an impact on the goal though. Bringing on Hare, we went to a back 3. Leahy was further forward and quickly bypassed after the throw-in. Harries is covering wide and this leaves Baldwin exposed 1v1 against their No. 10. From that point it is an individual error, but the back 4 were coping with Northampton fine up till then so why change it?
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Apr 12, 2021 11:54:13 GMT
Barton got it wrong against Northampton. Left it way too late to make changes. I kinda agree. I thought it was the wrong call when it was made....Hare for Westbrooke? Na. To be fair to JB I thought it was the right change. Westbrooke is not a tackler, Hare is, Westbrooke doesn’t bust a gut to defend, Hare does, Westbrooke strolls but Hare runs. Hare delivers just as good a cross as Westbrooke. We lost the ability to do a Cruyff turn or a back heel or a nutmeg and perhaps create something from nothing...did we really need that at the time the substitution was made? Probably not. Once the equaliser went in we could have changed it back if we’d wanted as Oztumer can do those same things Westbrooke can. However, making sure that we didn’t lose the other point we had in our hands proved to be the manager’s stronger desire.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Apr 12, 2021 12:52:59 GMT
I kinda agree. I thought it was the wrong call when it was made....Hare for Westbrooke? Na. To be fair to JB I thought it was the right change. Westbrooke is not a tackler, Hare is, Westbrooke doesn’t bust a gut to defend, Hare does, Westbrooke strolls but Hare runs. Hare delivers just as good a cross as Westbrooke. We lost the ability to do a Cruyff turn or a back heel or a nutmeg and perhaps create something from nothing...did we really need that at the time the substitution was made? Probably not. Once the equaliser went in we could have changed it back if we’d wanted as Oztumer can do those same things Westbrooke can. However, making sure that we didn’t lose the other point we had in our hands proved to be the manager’s stronger desire. Hmmm I take all that in hand, but I thought we lost our shape and cohesion once sub was made. JH can deliver a cross.....but to whom? Our forwards struggled to compete physically and I can't remember them winning a header. I don't think Northampton had a left sided threat that needed addressing. I know it's all semantics, but if we needed a tackling box to box midfielder, why wasn't Hargreaves included in squad? I would have thought the energy he brings to the team would be an ideal match for him, but he has hardly featured in the last half of the season, where he looked effective last year...
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Post by bridgwatergas on Apr 12, 2021 13:48:33 GMT
To be fair to JB I thought it was the right change. Westbrooke is not a tackler, Hare is, Westbrooke doesn’t bust a gut to defend, Hare does, Westbrooke strolls but Hare runs. Hare delivers just as good a cross as Westbrooke. We lost the ability to do a Cruyff turn or a back heel or a nutmeg and perhaps create something from nothing...did we really need that at the time the substitution was made? Probably not. Once the equaliser went in we could have changed it back if we’d wanted as Oztumer can do those same things Westbrooke can. However, making sure that we didn’t lose the other point we had in our hands proved to be the manager’s stronger desire. Hmmm I take all that in hand, but I thought we lost our shape and cohesion once sub was made. JH can deliver a cross.....but to whom? Our forwards struggled to compete physically and I can't remember them winning a header. I don't think Northampton had a left sided threat that needed addressing. I know it's all semantics, but if we needed a tackling box to box midfielder, why wasn't Hargreaves included in squad? I would have thought the energy he brings to the team would be an ideal match for him, but he has hardly featured in the last half of the season, where he looked effective last year... Hargreaves is a strange one as alot of the managers this year haven't played or selected him and it seems JB likes other players in front of him as well. With Martinez springing onto the scene from nowhere it seems CH has fallen down the pecking order and for me would be a player to be released in the summer as he dosent seem to be progressing and challenging to get in the team. The subs were correct in my opinion he was trying to hold onto the 1-0 and make us even harder to break down which would have been the right way except for a slip/error. We looked comfortable and didn't need to change anything drastically we weren't chasing the game and never under any real threat from a poor side. It's just frustrating watching us this year especially under JB where we seem to control games so much better but we all know the problem upfront.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Apr 12, 2021 14:12:54 GMT
Hmmm I take all that in hand, but I thought we lost our shape and cohesion once sub was made. JH can deliver a cross.....but to whom? Our forwards struggled to compete physically and I can't remember them winning a header. I don't think Northampton had a left sided threat that needed addressing. I know it's all semantics, but if we needed a tackling box to box midfielder, why wasn't Hargreaves included in squad? I would have thought the energy he brings to the team would be an ideal match for him, but he has hardly featured in the last half of the season, where he looked effective last year... Hargreaves is a strange one as alot of the managers this year haven't played or selected him and it seems JB likes other players in front of him as well. With Martinez springing onto the scene from nowhere it seems CH has fallen down the pecking order and for me would be a player to be released in the summer as he dosent seem to be progressing and challenging to get in the team. The subs were correct in my opinion he was trying to hold onto the 1-0 and make us even harder to break down which would have been the right way except for a slip/error. We looked comfortable and didn't need to change anything drastically we weren't chasing the game and never under any real threat from a poor side. It's just frustrating watching us this year especially under JB where we seem to control games so much better but we all know the problem upfront. I would have only changed Daly for either of the front two, Ayunga probably. Nothing else needed changing. Going more defensive is fine if you have good defenders, but we dont........ so that was asking for trouble imo
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2021 15:05:29 GMT
Easy to say that now,could’ve made them earlier and lost altogether couldn’t of we? Irony. Its a wonderful thing. The irony that I'm not a Gashead because I see through Barton, but you are even though you campaigned for Tisdale out. The irony that I have a personal vendetta for holding an opinion on Barton, whilst you continue a tirade of lies aimed at myself, constantly saying I've had posts deleted. You are a liar. Give it a rest. Your not fit to be a mod and you know this so please don’t respond to any of my posts,I’m not the liar and you know this.UTG
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 12, 2021 15:28:06 GMT
Hmmm I take all that in hand, but I thought we lost our shape and cohesion once sub was made. JH can deliver a cross.....but to whom? Our forwards struggled to compete physically and I can't remember them winning a header. I don't think Northampton had a left sided threat that needed addressing. I know it's all semantics, but if we needed a tackling box to box midfielder, why wasn't Hargreaves included in squad? I would have thought the energy he brings to the team would be an ideal match for him, but he has hardly featured in the last half of the season, where he looked effective last year... Hargreaves is a strange one as alot of the managers this year haven't played or selected him and it seems JB likes other players in front of him as well. With Martinez springing onto the scene from nowhere it seems CH has fallen down the pecking order and for me would be a player to be released in the summer as he dosent seem to be progressing and challenging to get in the team. The subs were correct in my opinion he was trying to hold onto the 1-0 and make us even harder to break down which would have been the right way except for a slip/error. We looked comfortable and didn't need to change anything drastically we weren't chasing the game and never under any real threat from a poor side. It's just frustrating watching us this year especially under JB where we seem to control games so much better but we all know the problem upfront. But the problem which cost us 2 pts on Saturday was the defence? How many times did JCH score a solo goal last season and then we just hung on for a 1-0 victory?
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Post by wilmslowgas on Apr 12, 2021 16:10:14 GMT
Whilst our midfield players are not world beaters we can definitely put out 3 or 4 midfielders who would slot in well with most teams in the division.
For me, we are chronically weak at both ends of the pitch. Our centre backs are lamentable. Each is fully capable of mistaking a disastrous costly mistake every game. These guys cannot defend for 90 minutes. As a result, we rarely keep a clean sheet.
Up front our strikers rarely score a goal. Easy day at the office for opposing defences.
Add a leaky defence to an impotent strike force and you've got a relegation candidate. Which we are.
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Apr 12, 2021 16:18:39 GMT
Not convinced by Daly - Clearly not doing much in training or else would start, after all, not a lot of competition for our strikers
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Post by singupgas on Apr 12, 2021 17:00:00 GMT
Whilst our midfield players are not world beaters we can definitely put out 3 or 4 midfielders who would slot in well with most teams in the division. For me, we are chronically weak at both ends of the pitch. Our centre backs are lamentable. Each is fully capable of mistaking a disastrous costly mistake every game. These guys cannot defend for 90 minutes. As a result, we rarely keep a clean sheet. Up front our strikers rarely score a goal. Easy day at the office for opposing defences. Add a leaky defence to an impotent strike force and you've got a relegation candidate. Which we are. Absolutely, are midfield options are quite good. But in defense and striking wise we are weak.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 12, 2021 17:04:00 GMT
Not convinced by Daly - Clearly not doing much in training or else would start, after all, not a lot of competition for our strikers Hard to believe he's not putting in the effort in training given how much effort he puts in closing down opposition players during the game, if Ayunga and Hanlan look better in training then that's translating into match day.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Apr 12, 2021 17:49:28 GMT
Not convinced by Daly - Clearly not doing much in training or else would start, after all, not a lot of competition for our strikers According to Chris Lines JCH was always a poor trainer. It's what they do when it counts that really matters but, strangely for a team whose forwards doesn't score, Daly doesn't get a look in
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Post by bobbyjones on Apr 12, 2021 17:57:29 GMT
Perhaps Barton would be better off playing Arthur
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2021 18:53:56 GMT
Not convinced by Daly - Clearly not doing much in training or else would start, after all, not a lot of competition for our strikers Assume Barton is playing two big men upfront tactically to cause a nuisance, feels like a last ditch plan... It worked against Stanley, but then they have been awful for a while anyway. Thought Daly started the season well but injuries ruined it for him. Think he was injured when he joined the club aswell.
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Post by trevorgas on Apr 12, 2021 19:00:14 GMT
Not convinced by Daly - Clearly not doing much in training or else would start, after all, not a lot of competition for our strikers Assume Barton is playing two big men upfront tactically to cause a nuisance, feels like a last ditch plan... It worked against Stanley, but then they have been awful for a while anyway. Thought Daly started the season well but injuries ruined it for him. Think he was injured when he joined the club aswell. We seem to be the most injury prone team in the Division never known anything like it.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 12, 2021 19:11:28 GMT
Not convinced by Daly - Clearly not doing much in training or else would start, after all, not a lot of competition for our strikers Assume Barton is playing two big men upfront tactically to cause a nuisance, feels like a last ditch plan... It worked against Stanley, but then they have been awful for a while anyway. Thought Daly started the season well but injuries ruined it for him. Think he was injured when he joined the club aswell. He only went over on his ankle so that injury would have cleared up weeks ago, it's not like he's returning from a long term injury. Oztumer is another one, is he still suffering from long COVID or like Daly, seemingly, just out of favour.
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Post by socrates on Apr 12, 2021 19:23:00 GMT
Assume Barton is playing two big men upfront tactically to cause a nuisance, feels like a last ditch plan... It worked against Stanley, but then they have been awful for a while anyway. Thought Daly started the season well but injuries ruined it for him. Think he was injured when he joined the club aswell. He only went over on his ankle so that injury would have cleared up weeks ago, it's not like he's returning from a long term injury. Oztumer is another one, is he still suffering from long COVID or like Daly, seemingly, just out of favour. Otzumer hasn’t been any better than Bennet and reminds me of him A lot. Just brings it down and plays the most simple pass usually 5-6 yards backwards or sideways. He was fantastic for Walsall but hasn’t done anything for us at all. At least bennet was reasonably good in his first half a season and scored / set up a few goals.
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