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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 19:46:32 GMT
Awkward. Anyone for humble pie? Come at me bro Pop my portion in the freezer until JB has had the chance to work with his own players.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Apr 20, 2021 19:46:50 GMT
Awkward. Anyone for humble pie? Come at me bro Roverdrive shagged a bear.
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Post by RD on Apr 20, 2021 19:47:26 GMT
Awkward. Anyone for humble pie? Come at me bro Pop my portion in the freezer until JB has had the chance to work with his own players. Hopefully - if Wael has any sense - he won't get that chance.
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Post by RD on Apr 20, 2021 19:47:38 GMT
Awkward. Anyone for humble pie? Come at me bro Roverdrive shagged a bear. That's more like it
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Post by Okebournegas on Apr 20, 2021 19:51:36 GMT
Awkward. Anyone for humble pie? Come at me bro Not from me mate , I disagree with your opinion but I’ve always been respectful about the issue. I’m still confident he will turn it round next season but if he doesn’t I will happily concede I was wrong.
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Post by Gassy on Apr 20, 2021 20:03:28 GMT
Awkward. Anyone for humble pie? Come at me bro Not from me mate , I disagree with your opinion but I’ve always been respectful about the issue. I’m still confident he will turn it round next season but if he doesn’t I will happily concede I was wrong. I’ll admit I thought he’d keep us up. I’ll own up that I got it wrong, but what does it really matter? I had an opinion/prediction that I got wrong? It’s hardly like it my (or anyone who believed the same) fault that he didn’t keep us up. I still reckon he’ll do well with us next season, but like yourself - if he doesn’t then I’ll hold my hands up and admit I predicted it wrong.
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Post by gassygas on Apr 20, 2021 20:06:32 GMT
Problem is he was bought in to keep us up, when that still looked the most likely outcome. now we're rock bottom and the only ones not putting up a fight. Not really showing he's got what it takes is he? Get rid.
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Post by Goose on Apr 20, 2021 20:07:57 GMT
Not from me mate , I disagree with your opinion but I’ve always been respectful about the issue. I’m still confident he will turn it round next season but if he doesn’t I will happily concede I was wrong. I’ll admit I thought he’d keep us up. I’ll own up that I got it wrong, but what does it really matter? I had an opinion/prediction that I got wrong? It’s hardly like it my (or anyone who believed the same) fault that he didn’t keep us up. I still reckon he’ll do well with us next season, but like yourself - if he doesn’t then I’ll hold my hands up and admit I predicted it wrong. I'm the same Gassy. Genuinely thought he'd keep us up. I think he'll do a hatchet job over the summer and we'll come out better for it.
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Post by 69rovers on Apr 20, 2021 20:10:11 GMT
Ok lets get rid of Barton-then what -New manager if anybody wants it but thats doubtful-let Baton sort out this f..k up and build a new team we can all get behind for next year
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Post by gasandelectricity on Apr 20, 2021 20:10:52 GMT
12 months ago I'd have been foaming at the mouth insisting Garner shouldn't have been given the summer. The worst thing about the cancellation of the 2019-20 season (other than the reason behind it of course) for us was in my opinion the fact that Garner didn't get a chance to make his bed. Instead he got the summer.
I guess we're now in a similar position but I strongly believe the opposite to be true. Garner took over a squad that was accelerating up the table. Barton took over a squad who were teetering over the edge of the relegation zone.
You can criticise his methods all you like but in my eyes he has done what his predecessors have from the outside failed to do. He has exhausted all his options in means and ways to try and motivate the squad. Some people, some players need a cuddle and some encouraging words, some people need a roasting, some people need to be challenged to prove someone wrong. He has tried to get them playing and he has failed. But he has failed in the same way his predecessors have in that respect. What he has been saying on here, is no different to what we'd have been saying to the players if Joey had invited us into the dressing room to tell the players what we thought.
Some would argue Garner had a better record, even possibly Tisdale. For me the performances have been night and day between Joey and those two. Yes, it's results that matter, but when the pressure builds that's when the boys are sorted from the men. It's impossible to fairly compare the two when at the start of the season players were fresh and had the opportunity of fighting for the top end of table positions without the sword of Damocles hanging over our heads. There's also the luck factor - Joey has had the ass end of luck whereas it seemed Garner got most decisions go his way despite his protestations towards the referees.
For me, it's Barton in. Get the sh** out and start again. Like we had to do in 2014. Some teams are beyond saving. (Some would have had Sol Campbell in, is his situation with Southend no different?)
His biggest crime (on the pitch) has been playing Hanlan week in week out. Hanlan deserves to be cast off into the u23s for a period of reflection.
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Post by bluebiro on Apr 20, 2021 20:11:22 GMT
I think he will walk at the end of the season . This job will require at least two seasons to get close to promotion and that's by being lucky with recruitment.
However If he does stay and has control he should disband the development squads and the coaches that go with it. Trim the squad as finely as possible and bring in seasoned pros from div 2 and some from this division. Try to get o clarke back to instill a bit of rovers in this new look side.
If he isn't here then god help us getting in a decent manager
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 20:13:00 GMT
Rover Drive..
I have now moved from Barton positive to Barton neutral ....
IF he is here next season and I do not think he will be ... he must be given some time with his own players.
I like positive managers but they need to back it up through the team ... losing credibility with his constant attacks on referees as well.
If he is not here I truly do not know where we will find a manager who will want to manage this sh** house of a club.
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Post by Gastafari on Apr 20, 2021 20:14:25 GMT
Barton has proved to be just what I thought.
He's blamed everybody but himself, slammed players publicly, and his latest outburst before the game if true was pathetic.
He's taken us to the bottom of the table and have shown no fight whatsoever.
Hindsights a wonderful thing, but he has been a disastrous appointment.
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Post by piratejames on Apr 20, 2021 20:14:40 GMT
Roverdrive shagged a bear. That's more like it Seen your posts about joey Barton and the whole situation for while now, not once have you offered a solution just slated and critiqued a bloke that has come in and put his reputation on the line to save us. You say he is a horrible person who has no character and all that, my view is that he has more character and football knowledge in his little finger than you have in your whole body. Prove me wrong and tell me your amazing plan that will save this club in the future 😊 Simple keyboard happy know it all that will criticise at any possibility. I for one hate that we are gonna be league 2 and I do think Barton has a Fifth of the blame, 3 fifths going to garner and tisdale 2 fifths. But I’ll be wrong and a supporter of a thug obviously 😂
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Post by kruger on Apr 20, 2021 20:15:44 GMT
Seen your posts about joey Barton and the whole situation for while now, not once have you offered a solution just slated and critiqued a bloke that has come in and put his reputation on the line to save us. You say he is a horrible person who has no character and all that, my view is that he has more character and football knowledge in his little finger than you have in your whole body. Prove me wrong and tell me your amazing plan that will save this club in the future 😊 Simple keyboard happy know it all that will criticise at any possibility. I for one hate that we are gonna be league 2 and I do think Barton has a Fifth of the blame, 3 fifths going to garner and tisdale 2 fifths. But I’ll be wrong and a supporter of a thug obviously 😂 well said that man, his comments really water me off
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Post by piratejames on Apr 20, 2021 20:18:25 GMT
Seen your posts about joey Barton and the whole situation for while now, not once have you offered a solution just slated and critiqued a bloke that has come in and put his reputation on the line to save us. You say he is a horrible person who has no character and all that, my view is that he has more character and football knowledge in his little finger than you have in your whole body. Prove me wrong and tell me your amazing plan that will save this club in the future 😊 Simple keyboard happy know it all that will criticise at any possibility. I for one hate that we are gonna be league 2 and I do think Barton has a Fifth of the blame, 3 fifths going to garner and tisdale 2 fifths. But I’ll be wrong and a supporter of a thug obviously 😂 well said that man, his comments really P?!s me off About time someone pulled him on his absolute nonsense, if you’ve got an opinion on a manager, give a solution or it’s just a empty comment which I’d expect off a teenager. Leave the constructive and passionate chat to us proper fans that want to help or see some helpful conversation. UTG
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Post by RD on Apr 20, 2021 20:18:26 GMT
Rover Drive.. I have now moved from Barton positive to Barton neutral .... IF he is here next season and I do not think he will be ... he must be given some time with his own players. I like positive managers but they need to back it up through the team ... losing credibility with his constant attacks on referees as well. If he is not here I truly do not know where we will find a manager who will want to manage this sh** house of a club. This. All he had to do was keep his head down ffs. There was absolutely NO requirement to say anything he's said until the season was finished. It achieves nothing saying it prior to that and it's clear as day its been done purely to remove blame from himself. It's why we hear (every other sentence) about the level he played at - all designed to deflect blame and make us think he can't possibly be at fault. If he kept his head down and got on with it I'd be far more relaxed now. But his outbursts coupled with his horrific point return for me makes his position untenable. He's miles away from home, sounds like he hates everything about the club, has delusions of grandeur and therefore - for me - it's almost a certainty he'll be gone at the next offer to come his way. So why go "all in" on someone so unstable and who's likely to bugger off asap? And that's IF he doesn't end up in prison ffs.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Apr 20, 2021 20:19:04 GMT
While RD may have gone a bit over the top, the way some people were hammering anyone who dared to question Barton's appointment I'm not surprised it's wound some people up.
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Apr 20, 2021 20:19:20 GMT
6 fifths? Bloody hell, there’s more blame to share out than I thought!
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Post by RD on Apr 20, 2021 20:19:53 GMT
Seen your posts about joey Barton and the whole situation for while now, not once have you offered a solution just slated and critiqued a bloke that has come in and put his reputation on the line to save us. You say he is a horrible person who has no character and all that, my view is that he has more character and football knowledge in his little finger than you have in your whole body. Prove me wrong and tell me your amazing plan that will save this club in the future 😊 Simple keyboard happy know it all that will criticise at any possibility. I for one hate that we are gonna be league 2 and I do think Barton has a Fifth of the blame, 3 fifths going to garner and tisdale 2 fifths. But I’ll be wrong and a supporter of a thug obviously 😂 You've already shown you're not intelligent enough for me to waste my time conversing with you.
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