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Post by pucklegas on May 2, 2021 7:47:40 GMT
Went out yesterday too painful to watch the same players making the same mistakes, missing the same chances, all paid up for next season, hoping for stability and mid table finish.
We ve come to this thinking we should get a Ben Tozer like player to throw it into the box like Cheltenham, forget tippy tappy football it ain't happening lads! 😂
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Post by carlts2020 on May 2, 2021 8:02:34 GMT
Wigan, Wimbledon, Burton and Shrewsbury were all below us in January. Some signed players and some didn’t.
We could and should have stayed up with the fixtures Barton had when he took the job.
We won 4-1 against Accrington, which shows we have goals in the team and can win games.
Picking 1 point up out of 12 against our relegation rivals is nowhere near good enough.
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Post by gasandelectricity on May 2, 2021 8:04:01 GMT
Wigan, Wimbledon, Burton and Shrewsbury were all below us in January. Some signed players and some didn’t. We could and should have stayed up with the fixtures Barton had when he took the job. We won 4-1 against Accrington, which shows we have goals in the team and can win games. Picking 1 point up out of 12 against our relegation rivals is nowhere near good enough. A season is won and loss across 46 games not 13 and it was clear we were in trouble all the way back in October. We were in a false high in the earlier stages of the season.
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Post by carlts2020 on May 2, 2021 8:18:29 GMT
Wigan, Wimbledon, Burton and Shrewsbury were all below us in January. Some signed players and some didn’t. We could and should have stayed up with the fixtures Barton had when he took the job. We won 4-1 against Accrington, which shows we have goals in the team and can win games. Picking 1 point up out of 12 against our relegation rivals is nowhere near good enough. A season is won and loss across 46 games not 13 and it was clear we were in trouble all the way back in October. We were in a false high in the earlier stages of the season. A false high? We won 3 drew 3 and lost 1 in October? You can’t get lucky in 6 games surely? Any manager that comes in mid season, usually comes in because the team aren’t performing. You can’t just sulk and wait for next year, slag the whole club off and blame everyone else. The Wigan, Northampton, Swindon and Wimbledon games were winnable and we should have done a lot better. It’s not a black and white situation, JB has some excuses but also has to take criticism.
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Post by gasandelectricity on May 2, 2021 8:28:19 GMT
A season is won and loss across 46 games not 13 and it was clear we were in trouble all the way back in October. We were in a false high in the earlier stages of the season. A false high? We won 3 drew 3 and lost 1 in October? You can’t get lucky in 6 games surely? Any manager that comes in mid season, usually comes in because the team aren’t performing. You can’t just sulk and wait for next year, slag the whole club off and blame everyone else. The Wigan, Northampton, Swindon and Wimbledon games were winnable and we should have done a lot better. It’s not a black and white situation, JB has some excuses but also has to take criticism. Northampton we were crap against IMO. Went ahead because of a penalty and got a second thanks to a red. Shrewsbury we got away with murder winning that game. Lincoln genuinely looked like we could be playoff contenders but that was an anomaly. Only convincing win under Garner. Don’t remember the draws against Burton and Rochdale. Don’t know where you get the third one from, other than Oxford in the tin pot trophy. Again we were crap. Then we were crap against Hull after the first 20 minutes and lost 3-1.
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Post by oldie on May 2, 2021 8:31:47 GMT
As supporters though surely there are grounds for huge concerns for next season. Things may well change quickly over the coming weeks, but as of today the following remains insitu 1. A DoF, on the board, whose scouting and recruitment gave us the most unbalanced squad many of us have ever witnessed. 2. A CEO, a position that should be "point" when communicating with supporters, who has disappeared. 3. An owner, who makes great efforts to communicate on occasion but they read like a delusion, who is burning cash and will continue to burn cash next year, given the enforced reorganisation over the next few months. His resources are finite. 4. A squad of players who have been slagged off continuously over the last few weeks by the management team but a lot of whom have another 12 months to run on their contracts with the club. 5. A new management team who recently signed a 2.5 year deal whose experience is limited, mostly to a couple of years at Fleetwood Town and whose record with our club, so far, has led us to relegation.
Despite the silly comments on here, we all know that nobody wants us, including Barton, to fail.
But the facts speak for themselves. Personally I dont think reactions like "I love his (Bartons) positivity / determination" have any basis in fact.
To me the whole foundation of the club is sat on shifting sand.
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Post by carlts2020 on May 2, 2021 8:38:32 GMT
As supporters though surely there are grounds for huge concerns for next season. Things may well change quickly over the coming weeks, but as of today the following remains insitu 1. A DoF, on the board, whose scouting and recruitment gave us the most unbalanced squad many of us have ever witnessed. 2. A CEO, a position that should be "point" when communicating with supporters, who has disappeared. 3. An owner, who makes great efforts to communicate on occasion but they read like a delusion, who is burning cash and will continue to burn cash next year, given the enforced reorganisation over the next few months. His resources are finite. 4. A squad of players who have been slagged off continuously over the last few weeks by the management team but a lot of whom have another 12 months to run on their contracts with the club. 5. A new management team who recently signed a 2.5 year deal whose experience is limited, mostly to a couple of years at Fleetwood Town and whose record with our club, so far, has led us to relegation. Despite the silly comments on here, we all know that nobody wants us, including Barton, to fail. But the facts speak for themselves. Personally I dont think reactions like "I love his (Bartons) positivity / determination" have any basis in fact. To me the whole foundation of the club is sat on shifting sand. Spot on, very insightful and accurate.
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Post by carlts2020 on May 2, 2021 8:39:24 GMT
A false high? We won 3 drew 3 and lost 1 in October? You can’t get lucky in 6 games surely? Any manager that comes in mid season, usually comes in because the team aren’t performing. You can’t just sulk and wait for next year, slag the whole club off and blame everyone else. The Wigan, Northampton, Swindon and Wimbledon games were winnable and we should have done a lot better. It’s not a black and white situation, JB has some excuses but also has to take criticism. Northampton we were crap against IMO. Went ahead because of a penalty and got a second thanks to a red. Shrewsbury we got away with murder winning that game. Lincoln genuinely looked like we could be playoff contenders but that was an anomaly. Only convincing win under Garner. Don’t remember the draws against Burton and Rochdale. Don’t know where you get the third one from, other than Oxford in the tin pot trophy. Again we were crap. Then we were crap against Hull after the first 20 minutes and lost 3-1. We battered Northampton the whole game, it should have been 5-0.
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Post by bluegas on May 2, 2021 8:39:25 GMT
To me the whole foundation of the club is sat on shifting sand. When wasn't it??? 1937?
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Post by gasandelectricity on May 2, 2021 8:50:25 GMT
Northampton we were crap against IMO. Went ahead because of a penalty and got a second thanks to a red. We battered Northampton the whole game, it should have been 5-0. You watched a different game to me then. We battered Accrington under Joey and Wimbledon under Tisdale but i don’t recall us battering anyone other than ourselves under Garner
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Post by Topper Gas on May 2, 2021 8:51:07 GMT
I’m not suggesting that JB should be sacked, I always give managers longer than most do, but I’m not a big fan and find it strange that after this awful run (with awful players that he hasn’t recruited) JB seems to get a better reception on here than Tis did. JBs record is awful. If anyone else had had that record and we were bottom of the table and the last 6/7 displays were as poor as they’ve been most on here would be calling for their sacking. Yet JB seems to get away with it. I just wonder if people are as starstruck with JB as Wael seems to be! UTG! It's mystifying to me too. I'm willing to give him a window and a chance next season, but let's be honest his reign so far has been a total car crash. I would suggest that almost any manager in the country would have stood a better chance of securing more points with us than JB has. His management of the existing (imbalanced) squad has been questionable to say the least. It's quite amazing that he has come in and Wael and Starnes have allowed him to completely rip the "DNA" and sustainable development strategy to shreds. Regardless of whether it's the right thing to do or not, quite possibly it is, but it's all quite embarrassing. If it goes wrong then we'll be facing the possibility of a 3rd reset in 3 years, which is exactly "literally" what they said they wanted to avoid when appointing new managers. Total and utter shambles. I hope they all get it right this time, because if they can't stop the rot, we could easily go down again and I can't face that. But what's the alternative, it's not like Wael has a reputation of head hunting the best managers, the chances are we'll employ another out of work manager with an inferior record at his previous club. The problem is it's the same posters who didn't want Barton appointed now wanting him sacked, when it's clearly not going to happen this summer. If nothing else I sense a lot of us buy into the fact the club needs a big "reset" before we can ever progress.
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Post by Topper Gas on May 2, 2021 8:52:47 GMT
I’m not suggesting that JB should be sacked, I always give managers longer than most do, but I’m not a big fan and find it strange that after this awful run (with awful players that he hasn’t recruited) JB seems to get a better reception on here than Tis did. JBs record is awful. If anyone else had had that record and we were bottom of the table and the last 6/7 displays were as poor as they’ve been most on here would be calling for their sacking. Yet JB seems to get away with it. I just wonder if people are as starstruck with JB as Wael seems to be! UTG! I'm not sure it's a starstruck thing I think (certainly for me) its a case of not wanting to start again with yet another manager. Yes his record is poor and he's probably said some things publicly that maybe he shouldn't have but do any of us really think he's wrong ? He's had a block of games and obviously knows the players he wants and those he doesn't. Listening to Hill's interview they are already a fair way into the recruitment processes to me starting over yet again makes absolutely no sense at all. Both Barton and Hill have confidently predicted we'll be a completely different side come Aug, I just dont see any sense in starting again with a new management team who wont have any first hand knowledge of the players I think I'm impressed with Hill more than Barton, he talks a lot of sense.
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Post by warehamgas on May 2, 2021 9:08:03 GMT
I’m not suggesting that JB should be sacked, I always give managers longer than most do, but I’m not a big fan and find it strange that after this awful run (with awful players that he hasn’t recruited) JB seems to get a better reception on here than Tis did. JBs record is awful. If anyone else had had that record and we were bottom of the table and the last 6/7 displays were as poor as they’ve been most on here would be calling for their sacking. Yet JB seems to get away with it. I just wonder if people are as starstruck with JB as Wael seems to be! UTG! I just like a manager to be given an opportunity to play their own players. I've nothing against Tisdale but he did very little transfer business in January then we got raped 6-1 the day after the window ended so that was always asking for trouble. My gloves will be off for Joey by December if things havent turned around significantly though, his players need to hit the ground running... I understand that LMW, but never sure the lack of activity in January was his fault. And you’re right about the rest, we will need to start fast in August. And that Accrington result did for him. Not sure JBs been any better though. UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on May 2, 2021 9:14:31 GMT
I’m not suggesting that JB should be sacked, I always give managers longer than most do, but I’m not a big fan and find it strange that after this awful run (with awful players that he hasn’t recruited) JB seems to get a better reception on here than Tis did. JBs record is awful. If anyone else had had that record and we were bottom of the table and the last 6/7 displays were as poor as they’ve been most on here would be calling for their sacking. Yet JB seems to get away with it. I just wonder if people are as starstruck with JB as Wael seems to be! UTG! It's mystifying to me too. I'm willing to give him a window and a chance next season, but let's be honest his reign so far has been a total car crash. I would suggest that almost any manager in the country would have stood a better chance of securing more points with us than JB has. His management of the existing (imbalanced) squad has been questionable to say the least. It's quite amazing that he has come in and Wael and Starnes have allowed him to completely rip the "DNA" and sustainable development strategy to shreds. Regardless of whether it's the right thing to do or not, quite possibly it is, but it's all quite embarrassing. If it goes wrong then we'll be facing the possibility of a 3rd reset in 3 years, which is exactly "literally" what they said they wanted to avoid when appointing new managers. Total and utter shambles. I hope they all get it right this time, because if they can't stop the rot, we could easily go down again and I can't face that. Perfectly put! UTG!
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Post by carlts2020 on May 2, 2021 9:15:39 GMT
We battered Northampton the whole game, it should have been 5-0. You watched a different game to me then. We battered Accrington under Joey and Wimbledon under Tisdale but i don’t recall us battering anyone other than ourselves under Garner You don’t remember there keeper making point blank saves against Hanlan and Nicholson? Hare hitting the bar with a screamer? Over 60% possession and peppered the goal all game. I think they had 1 shot on target.
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Post by warehamgas on May 2, 2021 9:18:25 GMT
I’m not suggesting that JB should be sacked, I always give managers longer than most do, but I’m not a big fan and find it strange that after this awful run (with awful players that he hasn’t recruited) JB seems to get a better reception on here than Tis did. JBs record is awful. If anyone else had had that record and we were bottom of the table and the last 6/7 displays were as poor as they’ve been most on here would be calling for their sacking. Yet JB seems to get away with it. I just wonder if people are as starstruck with JB as Wael seems to be! UTG! I'm not sure it's a starstruck thing I think (certainly for me) its a case of not wanting to start again with yet another manager. Yes his record is poor and he's probably said some things publicly that maybe he shouldn't have but do any of us really think he's wrong ? He's had a block of games and obviously knows the players he wants and those he doesn't. Listening to Hill's interview they are already a fair way into the recruitment processes to me starting over yet again makes absolutely no sense at all. Both Barton and Hill have confidently predicted we'll be a completely different side come Aug, I just dont see any sense in starting again with a new management team who wont have any first hand knowledge of the players Yes I’m sure you’re correct about not wanting to start again. But we all know Wael likes a celebrity! Let’s hope so. UTG!
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Post by gasandelectricity on May 2, 2021 9:28:30 GMT
You watched a different game to me then. We battered Accrington under Joey and Wimbledon under Tisdale but i don’t recall us battering anyone other than ourselves under Garner You don’t remember there keeper making point blank saves against Hanlan and Nicholson? Hare hitting the bar with a screamer? Over 60% possession and peppered the goal all game. I think they had 1 shot on target. So we failed to convert chances? We did that under PT and JB too. Didn’t stop us getting relegated. Sorry I don’t remember the chances you’re talking about (you have a very good memory) but that could be because Hanlan forcing a keeper into a save is actually just a shot directly at the keeper. Interesting you’re keen to get hung up on this example but don’t want to get hung up on Shrewsbury where I’m still having nightmares of them slicing up our defence numerous times and missing numerous gilt edges? Or Hull where we went a goal ahead and in our usual fashion let them come at us for the rest of the game (flashbacks to Sunderland here)
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Post by bluebiro on May 2, 2021 9:34:48 GMT
Writing was on the wall boxing day dec 2019.the day the rot started.
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Post by Gassy on May 2, 2021 9:36:19 GMT
Wigan, Wimbledon, Burton and Shrewsbury were all below us in January. Some signed players and some didn’t. We could and should have stayed up with the fixtures Barton had when he took the job. We won 4-1 against Accrington, which shows we have goals in the team and can win games. Picking 1 point up out of 12 against our relegation rivals is nowhere near good enough. A season is won and loss across 46 games not 13 and it was clear we were in trouble all the way back in October. We were in a false high in the earlier stages of the season. One 4-1 doesn’t show we have goals in the team. 40 goals in 45 games proves we don’t.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on May 2, 2021 9:38:59 GMT
In one, Wael is a star struck football fan, he has presided his total control of Rovers by overseeing the worst league record in the history of the club, 14 home games lost and not scoring a goal in 22 games, 27 games in a season lost, giving control over the blue print plan for the future of the club to a man who's heard the clank of a prison door being slammed every night for 6 months. I am grateful to Wael for keeping the club going over the pandemic, I just hope his immediate family are also. What's his family got to do with it?
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