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Post by supergas on Dec 10, 2014 22:51:56 GMT
As I've asked before on different threads, why do professional sportsmen need a 'break' from their job? If there's no replay, at most a first team member will be playing six games in December - one game every five days. I don't see why they should be tired, I don't see why they are at any risk of injury (*higher* risk than any other game), and surely picking a strong team means we can bang in 4-5 and raise morale, confidence and togetherness within the squad... ...although we have a fantastic unbeaten run, we don't have momentum and we are continually misfiring in front of goal. They don't need a break, they need match practice... I don't agree with the first bit because football uses a lot of muscles that are super hard to train and require a lot of rest to continue operating at 100%, also they are on;y squishy, breakable human beings like the rest of us. Liked for bang-on-edness of the second statement. They may be squishy and breakable like us, but they are also professional athletes. I've been obsessing/thinking about this for a while now, but a top four tennis player will play for 3-4 hours a day, every other day for a fortnight to win a grand slam. Most of them play four a year. They also play 20+ other tournaments a year. Now I realise tennis is a non contact sport, but if a tennis pro can be conditioned to do this, why can't pro football players play 90 minutes every 5 days without needing 'a rest'?
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Post by Mark Ash on Dec 10, 2014 22:56:39 GMT
I wonder how many km per match tennis players run, compared with footballers. Be interesting to know.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2014 23:41:59 GMT
I don't agree with the first bit because football uses a lot of muscles that are super hard to train and require a lot of rest to continue operating at 100%, also they are on;y squishy, breakable human beings like the rest of us. Liked for bang-on-edness of the second statement. They may be squishy and breakable like us, but they are also professional athletes. I've been obsessing/thinking about this for a while now, but a top four tennis player will play for 3-4 hours a day, every other day for a fortnight to win a grand slam. Most of them play four a year. They also play 20+ other tournaments a year. Now I realise tennis is a non contact sport, but if a tennis pro can be conditioned to do this, why can't pro football players play 90 minutes every 5 days without needing 'a rest'? How long between tourneys though? Games at this level come on average at about 1.5 a week, cups dependant. Also: They don't have people constantly sliding into their legs with studs, or shoulder barging at high speeds, in fact there's no contact at all. How many horrendous tennis injuries are there? Without wishing to downplay tennis players, the motions involved are basically all elbow and shoulder, plus running. Football contains a lot more complex movement on muscles that aren't used to it and are hard to utilize in training. I don't think they can be compared really, it's like saying why can't Žydrūnas Savickas do a marathon without having a triple bypass, he's a professional athlete.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2014 23:45:32 GMT
I don't agree with the first bit because football uses a lot of muscles that are super hard to train and require a lot of rest to continue operating at 100%, also they are on;y squishy, breakable human beings like the rest of us. Liked for bang-on-edness of the second statement. They may be squishy and breakable like us, but they are also professional athletes. I've been obsessing/thinking about this for a while now, but a top four tennis player will play for 3-4 hours a day, every other day for a fortnight to win a grand slam. Most of them play four a year. They also play 20+ other tournaments a year. Now I realise tennis is a non contact sport, but if a tennis pro can be conditioned to do this, why can't pro football players play 90 minutes every 5 days without needing 'a rest'? p.s. using a boring equation involving Djokovic's career stats and the ATPs as my model for the other tourneys, a top tier tennis pro would play an average of 6 hours a week, IF they competed in EVERY round of all the tournaments they were in and they all lasted 3.5 hours. You can use that in your obsessing if you like
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2014 7:21:50 GMT
I'm going to spend the weekend obsessively researching women's tennis while the wife is away at the mother in laws.
I'll report my findings later in the week.
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Post by Mark Ash on Dec 11, 2014 8:02:07 GMT
Spiess has a 24-hour recall clause in his loan agreement. Notts County could recall him a day before a match then Preston would be starting. Also, generally good for the developement of our youngster's to get some first team action. Totally disagree, unlikely Notts County will need to recall 24 hours before a match so if the worst comes to the worst we'll have to get another keeper in on loan. This FA Trophy is still an alright competition you know for this level. It's not as if it is the Gloucestershire Cup or whatever it's called.Absolutely. As I've said before, I'm still oldskool enough to think that winning trophies is what defines success for football clubs, along with league position. This is a proper national competition, not jut a pre-season warmup tournament like the Watney Cup was. As far as I know, it would be the first genuine, national "cup" that Rovers have ever won, leaving aside divisional trophies. I'm up for it.
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Post by yategas on Dec 11, 2014 9:44:59 GMT
they are only squishy, breakable human beings like the rest of us.
Except for Stuart Sinclair. I heard he is made from carbyne he just wears a human suit to fit in.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Dec 11, 2014 10:13:36 GMT
Totally disagree, unlikely Notts County will need to recall 24 hours before a match so if the worst comes to the worst we'll have to get another keeper in on loan. This FA Trophy is still an alright competition you know for this level. It's not as if it is the Gloucestershire Cup or whatever it's called.Absolutely. As I've said before, I'm still oldskool enough to think that winning trophies is what defines success for football clubs, along with league position. This is a proper national competition, not jut a pre-season warmup tournament like the Watney Cup was. As far as I know, it would be the first genuine, national "cup" that Rovers have ever won, leaving aside divisional trophies. I'm up for it. Our trophy cabinet must be one of the most sparse in the top 5 leagues. I'll take anything!
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Post by buckrippers on Dec 11, 2014 10:28:12 GMT
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Dec 11, 2014 10:30:22 GMT
The Post website is even worse than usual today. And yes I disagree with your article. Chucking a load of youth players in to get beat by Bath and probably a pretty nasty atmosphere if that happened is not a good idea in my eyes.
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Post by buckrippers on Dec 11, 2014 10:40:52 GMT
The Post website is even worse than usual today. And yes I disagree with your article. Chucking a load of youth players in to get beat by Bath and probably a pretty nasty atmosphere if that happened is not a good idea in my eyes. Look at the big picture though. If we get back into the Football League in May who is going to remember a little local skirmish like this?
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Dec 11, 2014 13:19:07 GMT
The Post website is even worse than usual today. And yes I disagree with your article. Chucking a load of youth players in to get beat by Bath and probably a pretty nasty atmosphere if that happened is not a good idea in my eyes. Look at the big picture though. If we get back into the Football League in May who is going to remember a little local skirmish like this? And if we don't go up and go out to Bath then Clarke will get slaughtered.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2014 13:42:51 GMT
The Post website is even worse than usual today. And yes I disagree with your article. Chucking a load of youth players in to get beat by Bath and probably a pretty nasty atmosphere if that happened is not a good idea in my eyes. Look at the big picture though. If we get back into the Football League in May who is going to remember a little local skirmish like this? I hope that DC and the players have a different mindset to this!
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Dec 11, 2014 14:00:58 GMT
This article will fit in perfectly with the Bristol post website. Disagree with it.
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Post by spiess1 on Dec 11, 2014 14:34:30 GMT
"...I really don't give a toss what we do in this competition..."
Thank Father Christmas you're not in charge of the playing side at BRFC.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2014 15:02:54 GMT
Extract from Bath City fan's blog in the Bath Chronicle:
"Saturday sees us make the short journey to the Memorial Stadium for an FA Trophy clash against Bristol Rovers. It should be a great occasion, and even better that common sense prevailed with the game being allowed to take place on the Saturday.
Whilst Rovers’ priority this season is hardly the cups, hopefully they’ll still come out in their droves. A bit like the Gloucester game, although the clubs are close geographically, there is no real rivalry, with Rovers using Twerton Park for ten years when they sold their Eastville home.
In pre-season friendlies since, the ‘Gasheads’ have brought a large number of supporters to Twerton without a hint of trouble.
I started going along to City games just as the Rovers groundshare arrangement was coming to an end. During that time, 20 years ago, we met in the FA Cup, with us as the home side.
It put both clubs in the spotlight, but the day in question was a nightmare for us. Rovers ran riot, winning 5-0, with Marcus Stewart on target, this before his long and successful spell in the Football League. He’s now back at the club as assistant manager.
In terms of league positions, a replay could be the best we can hope for. Now that’ll be a Tuesday night to look forward to, and definitely no sparse crowd!"
Last thing we need to do is be acting Billy Big B*llocks - that would only serve to gee up their fans and players even more for this game! Success breeds success, so a few wins in the FA Trophy could lead to us recovering our best form in the league.
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Post by Mark Ash on Dec 11, 2014 19:23:22 GMT
The Post website is even worse than usual today. And yes I disagree with your article. Chucking a load of youth players in to get beat by Bath and probably a pretty nasty atmosphere if that happened is not a good idea in my eyes. Look at the big picture though. If we get back into the Football League in May who is going to remember a little local skirmish like this? If we win the trophy, that day at Wembley and the photos it produces it will be remembered for as long as it takes to win another one, and longer. We've never won diddly-squat. I even remember, when we were in the FL, some people thought we were too good for the JPT as well. Holy moly... They probably still think that and we're not even good enough to take part in it, never mind win it! Fans who don't want their clubs to win trophies bewilder me.
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Post by Mark Ash on Dec 11, 2014 19:32:41 GMT
Also, talk about deluded - what on earth does it mean, to say that the match will act as 'confirmation of our non-league status'? Are you denying it then? You're hoping it's some sort of clerical error? Surely winning the Conference would also always prove that we were in it as well?
I understand people who say that we 'should' be walking this league. It may not help, but I can see where it comes from. But not to want to win anything while were here, in case people notice, is a footballing equivalent of Hyacinth Bucket not wanting to eat out because she hasn't got an expensive hat.
The major embarrassment is that we now have a spokesman for Bristol Rovers with a BEP blog telling the world that we think we're too good for this competition and don't want anything to do with it. Cheers for that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2014 22:15:48 GMT
Totally agree with you, this season is about promotion
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2014 22:17:43 GMT
Also, talk about deluded - what on earth does it mean, to say that the match will act as 'confirmation of our non-league status'? Are you denying it then? You're hoping it's some sort of clerical error? Surely winning the Conference would also always prove that we were in it as well? I understand people who say that we 'should' be walking this league. It may not help, but I can see where it comes from. But not to want to win anything while were here, in case people notice, is a footballing equivalent of Hyacinth Bucket not wanting to eat out because she hasn't got an expensive hat. The major embarrassment is that we now have a spokesman for Bristol Rovers with a BEP blog telling the world that we think we're too good for this competition and don't want anything to do with it. Cheers for that. I like his articles, he is only saying what he thinks which is refreshing
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