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Post by gasincider on Jul 1, 2014 9:55:20 GMT
Gashead79. If all our players are good enough to get into higher placed teams, why did we go down? Or was it because the board were brought on as subs?
No, it's because the players were useless, and time will show that, even where they are now.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Jul 1, 2014 10:00:47 GMT
Gashead79. If all our players are good enough to get into higher placed teams, why did we go down? Or was it because the board were brought on as subs? No, it's because the players were useless, and time will show that, even where they are now. So why did we plummet from comfortable mid table to relegation? The players were fine until something happened which resulted in our demise. Smithy will be next. I don't doubt Clarkson will sign for a decent league club too.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 10:49:14 GMT
Why you yawn'ing? Are you a little chav who thinks because he is a little bit quick and has an exotic name he will be great one day? Well, i can tell you now, i am a footballing carthorse, overweight, and I can cross a ball better than he can, i also have better awareness... Double YAWN You're modest I see.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 10:56:05 GMT
Our youth teams played exciting and attacking football and won stuff. Once Ward cast his gloomy disposition over them, they had their flair & enthusiasm coached out of them. We did have good enough players just that they had Alan Walsh give them the confidence to attack but the Ward make them play totally alien to their natural ability. It erodes the enthusiasm for the game and I believe Harrison was first to implode because of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 11:30:39 GMT
Gashead79. If all our players are good enough to get into higher placed teams, why did we go down? Or was it because the board were brought on as subs? No, it's because the players were useless, and time will show that, even where they are now. Don't be ridiculous. Most of our players would walk into lg2 and 1 teams. The ones that have left(that were useless, according to experts) have moved UP the league's! There is more to a successful side than having good players though. You should know that from playing champman. 3 respectable clubs have fought for alefe. Hello?
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Post by RD on Jul 1, 2014 11:42:58 GMT
Gashead79. If all our players are good enough to get into higher placed teams, why did we go down? Or was it because the board were brought on as subs? No, it's because the players were useless, and time will show that, even where they are now. There is more to a successful side than having good players though. Yep, a good manager would have helped.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 11:48:42 GMT
There is more to a successful side than having good players though. Yep, a good manager would have helped. Apparently England have good players too? Amongst the highest earners in the world. Is it all Roy's fault? Or the last one, or the last one??? What about us with our 'competitive budget' and countless mangers?
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Post by Hugo Admin on Jul 1, 2014 11:51:59 GMT
So gashead79, I keep reading your posts insinuating the board are at fault. Please care to explain how the board contribute to poor performances on the pitch?
Surely if the board bring in a manager you like and then back that manager with money that is all you can ask of them?
just interested.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 11:58:32 GMT
For 7 years we have failed. With many managerial changes and players. Where else do you suggest we look?
Incompetence at the top is glaring, surely. I trust they are doing their best, I am in no position to make suggestions or otherwise either.
The only other option but complain is to walk away like many already have.
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Post by Hugo Admin on Jul 1, 2014 12:24:25 GMT
For 7 years we have failed. With many managerial changes and players. Where else do you suggest we look? Incompetence at the top is glaring, surely. I trust they are doing their best, I am in no position to make suggestions or otherwise either. The only other option but complain is to walk away like many already have. uhuh yep I agree with that. However my question is this and still noone has been able to answer me. How do the board cause sh**ty results on the actual field if play? The board are going nowhere so answering this question is the only hope we have.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 12:29:39 GMT
I have worked in sh**ty jobs for good managers and owners and me and my colleges thrived and been successful.
I have worked in amazing places for total tools and failed. In fact one of the companies folded due to water poor leadership from the top.
A change of leadership can galvanize and motivate people to become greater than the sum of their parts.
This HAS to come from the top.
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Post by gas1811 on Jul 1, 2014 12:30:50 GMT
Officially signed for Derby County. Two year deal with option of a third.
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Post by RD on Jul 1, 2014 12:32:49 GMT
For 7 years we have failed. With many managerial changes and players. Where else do you suggest we look? Incompetence at the top is glaring, surely. I trust they are doing their best, I am in no position to make suggestions or otherwise either. The only other option but complain is to walk away like many already have. uhuh yep I agree with that. However my question is this and still noone has been able to answer me. How do the board cause sh*** results on the actual field if play? The board are going nowhere so answering this question is the only hope we have. Fact is mate, they can't answer that for you. The new chain of thought is "well, if we've had x managers and y players and we're still s*** it must be someone elses fault". Whilst that is possibly correct (and again I will say I'm royally **d off with the board too), just because we've had 6 or 7 s*** managers in a row, doesn't mean those 6 or 7 managers in a row weren't s***. If you've been divorced 5 times, it may mean you need to look at yourself; perhaps you're the issue. Then again, it's entirely plausible you just haven't found the right "one" yet. As I say, I've no issue with slating the board. But a few people refuse to take the JW rose-tinted specs off and still worship the land he walks on. The bloke was massively out of his depth, had hugely outdated tactics and was a massive... no... THE massive contributing factor to our relegation last season. Did the board make mistakes? Too ***g right they did. But it was a combination of fuckwits that have led us to where we are now; not just the BoD.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 13:12:30 GMT
Officially signed for Derby County. Two year deal with option of a third. Good luck to him - he's got a young family, so it will be great for him to have a secure future for a few seasons. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him develop, which would be good news with a sell on clause.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 13:41:10 GMT
uhuh yep I agree with that. However my question is this and still noone has been able to answer me. How do the board cause sh*** results on the actual field if play? The board are going nowhere so answering this question is the only hope we have. Fact is mate, they can't answer that for you. The new chain of thought is "well, if we've had x managers and y players and we're still s*** it must be someone elses fault". Whilst that is possibly correct (and again I will say I'm royally **d off with the board too), just because we've had 6 or 7 s*** managers in a row, doesn't mean those 6 or 7 managers in a row weren't s***. If you've been divorced 5 times, it may mean you need to look at yourself; perhaps you're the issue. Then again, it's entirely plausible you just haven't found the right "one" yet. As I say, I've no issue with slating the board. But a few people refuse to take the JW rose-tinted specs off and still worship the land he walks on. The bloke was massively out of his depth, had hugely outdated tactics and was a massive... no... THE massive contributing factor to our relegation last season. Did the board make mistakes? Too ***g right they did. But it was a combination of fuckwits that have led us to where we are now; not just the BoD. Who is they? If you want to bang on about JW, that is your entitlement, carry on. Most were happy when he stayed on. He was one of 6? With similar outcomes. Fair play to you for calling our downfall early and identifying that JW was struggling, well done indeed. It is not our job as supporters to find the answers but identify problems. We are customers. For years I have been a member of various boards, commenting on good and bad aspects. If you want to pinpoint JW as a crux of my pov, carry on. It goes beyond him though RD. Imo. Why not offer some alternative rather than tag onto other people's reckoning? What you reckon RD? It's not JWs fault we have been pony for 7 years is it?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 13:42:12 GMT
For 7 years we have failed. With many managerial changes and players. Where else do you suggest we look? Incompetence at the top is glaring, surely. I trust they are doing their best, I am in no position to make suggestions or otherwise either. The only other option but complain is to walk away like many already have. uhuh yep I agree with that. However my question is this and still noone has been able to answer me. How do the board cause sh*** results on the actual field if play? The board are going nowhere so answering this question is the only hope we have. My view is that a chairman should be able to lead and by that I mean that, if necessary, he steps in and either makes it clear what is expected or actually then does something himself to effect change. What we have is a man who had his eyes firmly off of the footballing side because of his single minded vision of the UWE. The board should be there to make sure that football is kept as the most important thing as a new stadium will be no good for a conny side. What we have is a chairman and board who were remiss in their duty and who should have stepped in but who are now blaming it all on Ward. Do you really swallow that line ? We needed leadership but we got misdirection. The board got this totally wrong. I do not mind a board intervening at all and especially when it was evident after the Daggers game that we were shot. You cannot sit back and watch a disaster unfold as they did. The photo of them V Torquay said it all. What we need are MEN who are prepared to step up when needed.
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Post by RD on Jul 1, 2014 14:44:39 GMT
Fact is mate, they can't answer that for you. The new chain of thought is "well, if we've had x managers and y players and we're still s*** it must be someone elses fault". Whilst that is possibly correct (and again I will say I'm royally **d off with the board too), just because we've had 6 or 7 s*** managers in a row, doesn't mean those 6 or 7 managers in a row weren't s***. If you've been divorced 5 times, it may mean you need to look at yourself; perhaps you're the issue. Then again, it's entirely plausible you just haven't found the right "one" yet. As I say, I've no issue with slating the board. But a few people refuse to take the JW rose-tinted specs off and still worship the land he walks on. The bloke was massively out of his depth, had hugely outdated tactics and was a massive... no... THE massive contributing factor to our relegation last season. Did the board make mistakes? Too ***g right they did. But it was a combination of fuckwits that have led us to where we are now; not just the BoD. Who is they? If you want to bang on about JW, that is your entitlement, carry on. Most were happy when he stayed on. He was one of 6? With similar outcomes. Fair play to you for calling our downfall early and identifying that JW was struggling, well done indeed. It is not our job as supporters to find the answers but identify problems. We are customers. For years I have been a member of various boards, commenting on good and bad aspects. If you want to pinpoint JW as a crux of my pov, carry on. It goes beyond him though RD. Imo. Why not offer some alternative rather than tag onto other people's reckoning? What you reckon RD? It's not JWs fault we have been pony for 7 years is it? To me it just comes across like, rather than admitting you were wrong to back JW for as long as you did, it's easier to point the finger at the BoD and blame them. I don't doubt the board have many failings. But if the tactics had been superb last season and the squad full of pace and invention and we had still gone down, then I'd fully agree with you. However, it wasn't. We had one of the biggest budgets in the division - the board stumped that cash up so can't see how they are to blame. Was is spent well? Nope. Did we water it down the pan? Yep. Who's fault was that? The man who assembled the squad. Who did that? John Ward. You can argue 'til you're blue in the face that NH signed off on the deals and yes, perhaps we shouldn't have handed out 3 year contracts willy-nilly. But at the end of the day, if he hadn't have backed JW, he'd have been lynched. For me, as a BoD, they should be responsible for decent communication, prudent budgeting and marketing (without having a CEO in place). Have they failed on all three of those fronts? IMO, yes they have. HOWEVER... Is that reason enough for us to find ourselves in the Conference? IMO no. I don't believe poor communication got us to non-league, I don't believe that poor marketing got us to non-league and I also don't believe poor budgeting got us to non-league. The board cover our debts most seasons. Is that the way it should be? Christ no. Better financial management would mean there was no need for this. However, they do it nonetheless and, through doing so, ensure we continue to have a budget good enough to (theoretically at least) compete. Similarly, marketing could unquestionably be better, but we are only missing out on additional money as a result of this; and a lack of playing budget wasn't the reason for our relegation last season. No, the reason for our relegation last season was because we were utter sh***: - Poor tactics (directly JW's fault) - A poorly assembled squad with no pace, balance or creativity (directly JW's fault) - Boring, awful tactics that destroyed the players morale which led to some players who were arguably good enough under-achieving (directly JW's fault) So, as I say, could the board run the club better? Certainly. However, are they directly responsible for our relegation? IMO no; John Ward is/was. Yes the club needs to be run better. Yes changes are required. But to simply say "we've had [insert number here] s*** managers in a row so it can't possibly just be down them" is not factually correct.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 14:58:01 GMT
A fish rots from the head.
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Post by RD on Jul 1, 2014 14:59:42 GMT
A fish rots from the head. Nice analogy Hugo but ultimately it means nothing. A plant is killed by rot in it's root...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2014 15:10:57 GMT
You make a good argument RD, and I am not certain you are wrong however we have been flirting with relegation for at least 4 years before Ward came in. That's not his fault. Ward saved us from certain death 12 months ago. Yes, he took us down but I can't stop the nagging feeling you have bought into the BoD's cover (up) story about what went wrong.
I think that the poor management and poor running of the club came together to make the perfect sh** storm.
Ultimately in any business its the CEO/BOD that rightly shoulder the responsibility. To not do this and just point the finger and say "he did it, not me" is pathetic, cowardly and should tell you all you need to know about a man.
DC has earned respect because he held up his hands and took his fair share of blame. I don't want a scapegoat, just for people to do the right thing.
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