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Post by TAGas on Jun 8, 2021 7:55:00 GMT
Be very interesting to see how this pans out.
I think this could go either way for JB
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 8:08:41 GMT
You haven't read the facts of his previous assaults then. Doesnt matter. He isnt on trial for previous assaults. If you get caught speeding 3 times it doesnt mean that you were speeding every time you get stopped in the future. He is on trial for this incident and this incident needs to be proven. We were discussing his character not this trial. |
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Post by gulfofaden on Jun 8, 2021 8:25:23 GMT
So he allegedly pushed him whilst running past him.
Throw the book at him.
Let’s get this straight. He has a feud with this manager and he’s doing this out of spite. What a total waste of everyone’s time.
Seems rolling around in agony trying to get the other guy punished has moved into the world of managers now.
When as men did we stop seeing shame in being a victim? I’d be ashamed personally to get pushed and then cry to daddy to get the other guy punished.
By the letter of the law it may be a crime - court to decide that, but still, kids of 10 are brushing this off and getting on with it.
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Post by peterparker on Jun 8, 2021 8:30:15 GMT
So he allegedly pushed him whilst running past him. Throw the book at him. Let’s get this straight. He has a feud with this manager and he’s doing this out of spite. What a total waste of everyone’s time. you can't escape consequences for actions though. Stendel was injured and 'Just a push' is not an argument. If the injuries were more serious know one would say 'just a push' would they. It doesn't matter whether Joey meant to injury him, it's whether he did as a result of force |
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Post by gulfofaden on Jun 8, 2021 8:32:20 GMT
So he allegedly pushed him whilst running past him. Throw the book at him. Let’s get this straight. He has a feud with this manager and he’s doing this out of spite. What a total waste of everyone’s time. you can't escape consequences for actions though. 'Just a push' is not an argument. You can, where the victim doesn’t pursue the matter and the crown doesn’t think it’s in the public interest. |
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Post by peterparker on Jun 8, 2021 8:37:31 GMT
you can't escape consequences for actions though. 'Just a push' is not an argument. You can, where the victim doesn’t pursue the matter and the crown doesn’t think it’s in the public interest. ok. but again not the point. If the injuries were more serious, would people say it was just a push like you see on the football field? we can all debate whether it is in the public interest, and I certainly as no JB fan feel this (going by what is known so far) could have been sorted far better out of court, but it is in court. A Jury rightly gets to decide whether the injuries sustained by Stendel were as a result of a deliberate action or not and IF he is a Judge will sentence based on the information |
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Post by amgas on Jun 8, 2021 8:45:10 GMT
In reality if Barton did give him a shove he should have paid his dental bill, apologised, and at most be given some community service at a magistrates court. Then everyone should have got on with their lives. Pretty sure there would have been no intention to knock a tooth out. The bottom line is there are a lot of nasty people out there who seem to remain in society without getting convicted of anything. I personally don't think a crown court case and the cost of a prison sentence is a good use of my money as a tax payer.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 9:20:53 GMT
In reality if Barton did give him a shove he should have paid his dental bill, apologised, and at most be given some community service at a magistrates court. Then everyone should have got on with their lives. Pretty sure there would have been no intention to knock a tooth out. The bottom line is there are a lot of nasty people out there who seem to remain in society without getting convicted of anything. I personally don't think a crown court case and the cost of a prison sentence is a good use of my money as a tax payer. The reality is that your scenario would have probably been the case IF JB had admitted to causing the injuries but since being accused of it he has on replied to the police with "No comment" hence him being charged and having to prove his innocence in court. His destiny is now in the hands of the jury who have already seen more than we have in terms of evidence including photos and videos. The crown couldn't just say, ok off you go just because Joey said he didn't do it. |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jun 8, 2021 9:35:40 GMT
So he allegedly pushed him whilst running past him. Throw the book at him. Let’s get this straight. He has a feud with this manager and he’s doing this out of spite. What a total waste of everyone’s time. Seems rolling around in agony trying to get the other guy punished has moved into the world of managers now. When as men did we stop seeing shame in being a victim? I’d be ashamed personally to get pushed and then cry to daddy to get the other guy punished. By the letter of the law it may be a crime - court to decide that, but still, kids of 10 are brushing this off and getting on with it. Whilst I’m inclined to agree with your point on this case that from the sounds of it it’s all a bit over the top and this is hardly worthy of a court case. There are however worse crimes where there is absolutely no shame in being a victim. If JB had done this to an elderly man I’m sure the tone would swing massively in a different direction for instance. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 8, 2021 10:21:27 GMT
Doesnt matter. He isnt on trial for previous assaults. If you get caught speeding 3 times it doesnt mean that you were speeding every time you get stopped in the future. He is on trial for this incident and this incident needs to be proven. We were discussing his character not this trial. Ah well, then yeah he is definitely a bad lad! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 10:34:37 GMT
What’s been really interesting the last few months is seeing what some people think is acceptable and what some don’t.
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Jun 8, 2021 10:37:25 GMT
What’s been really interesting the last few months is seeing what some people think is acceptable and what some don’t. If you think this is interesting, you will love thread on the new stadium |
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Post by oliverhelmet on Jun 8, 2021 10:49:16 GMT
In reality if Barton did give him a shove he should have paid his dental bill, apologised, and at most be given some community service at a magistrates court. Then everyone should have got on with their lives. Pretty sure there would have been no intention to knock a tooth out. The bottom line is there are a lot of nasty people out there who seem to remain in society without getting convicted of anything. I personally don't think a crown court case and the cost of a prison sentence is a good use of my money as a tax payer. The reality is that your scenario would have probably been the case IF JB had admitted to causing the injuries but since being accused of it he has on replied to the police with "No comment" hence him being charged and having to prove his innocence in court. His destiny is now in the hands of the jury who have already seen more than we have in terms of evidence including photos and videos. The crown couldn't just say, ok off you go just because Joey said he didn't do it. I must have missed this change in law. |
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Post by pucklegas on Jun 8, 2021 10:57:01 GMT
Hasn't resumed yet, slower than Max Ehmer, think stendel will be in for an interesting afternoon of questioning.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2021 11:03:37 GMT
Any of those with court experience able to explain why nothing seems to have happened yet? They’ll be breaking for lunch soon.
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Post by gregsy on Jun 8, 2021 11:05:06 GMT
Hasn't resumed yet, slower than Max Ehmer, think stendel will be in for an interesting afternoon of questioning. Crikey.... When I did jury service in the late 90's we were expected to have breakfast before we got there.... |
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Post by peterparker on Jun 8, 2021 11:10:17 GMT
The reality is that your scenario would have probably been the case IF JB had admitted to causing the injuries but since being accused of it he has on replied to the police with "No comment" hence him being charged and having to prove his innocence in court. His destiny is now in the hands of the jury who have already seen more than we have in terms of evidence including photos and videos. The crown couldn't just say, ok off you go just because Joey said he didn't do it. I must have missed this change in law. I think Holmes means that figuratively. By answering No Comment (presumably under advise from his legal counsel) he has put himself in the position he is now. I.E Court could have been avoided if JB and his leagl team were more helpful |
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Post by aghast on Jun 8, 2021 11:22:05 GMT
Any of those with court experience able to explain why nothing seems to have happened yet? They’ll be breaking for lunch soon. Obviously it would be wrong to rush these things since a person's liberty is at stake, but it doesn't help that they start late, take a healthy 90 mins for lunch and finish up by 4pm. Don't think some of the older judges could cope with longer hours, and the barristers need to get back in chambers billing their clients very large amounts. |
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Jun 8, 2021 11:22:33 GMT
12:13
After a brief delay this morning, the trial is due to resume at 12.15pm when Daniel Stendel is expected to give evidence from a court in Germany.
Lunch has arrived. Heinz sandwich spread sandwiches on Mighty White, pickled onion Monster Munch and a choice of Shandy Bass or Um Bongo. Petit Filous for dessert.
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Post by baggins on Jun 8, 2021 11:25:04 GMT
What’s been really interesting the last few months is seeing what some people think is acceptable and what some don’t. If you think this is interesting, you will love thread on the new stadium What new Stadium? What have you heard? Are you in the know? Got a link? |
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