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Post by 1986gashead on Jun 13, 2021 3:51:53 GMT
I don’t think you can say he’s aiming in the wrong direction at least, last time we took a step backwards we turned around and took 2 steps forward. I believe we can do that again. Utg
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 13, 2021 7:21:21 GMT
Yes, but Wael could have said no. You’re saying that a operational manager is appointing board members. He’s not. If Wael didn’t like it, he couldn’t appoint them. Joey has clearly suggested people and given the current directors are abject failures, Wael is taking this advice. The point being made is Joey is not appointing them and could not appoint them. I’m not sure where you’re going with the NED point, I would say a pointless hair splitting exercise to win pointless points. Agree to disagree. If you think that first team managers don’t have an extremely strong influence on a football club and are, if anything, more powerful than some or all directors, and want to compare it to the board structure of Barclays Bank, feel free to do so. Erm ... I still feel like you're making my point for me but phrasing it as though it's a rebuttal to what I've said. Wael made the appointment and demotion. Yes. It's evidently and I think undeniably been done at the behest of Barton. Pretty much my sole point is that Wael has done the deed because Barton has demanded it. That's literally from where my scepticism has arisen. I've never said anything about a bank. I said "any organisation, sporting or otherwise" so other football clubs are included in that and as yet no one has been able to give another example. Not sure any of us follow other lower league club's to know what goes on regarding employing directors etc, however, something needs to be gone to sort the club out and send it in the right direction, if the likes of Hamer and Starnes couldn't do it then perhaps Barton can, as odd as that may seem. I guess we, and more so Wael!, just have to trust him to be doing right for the club and not his, and his mate's, own bank balance.
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Post by harrystokegas on Jun 17, 2021 15:33:18 GMT
Erm ... I still feel like you're making my point for me but phrasing it as though it's a rebuttal to what I've said. Wael made the appointment and demotion. Yes. It's evidently and I think undeniably been done at the behest of Barton. Pretty much my sole point is that Wael has done the deed because Barton has demanded it. That's literally from where my scepticism has arisen. I've never said anything about a bank. I said "any organisation, sporting or otherwise" so other football clubs are included in that and as yet no one has been able to give another example. Not sure any of us follow other lower league club's to know what goes on regarding employing directors etc, however, something needs to be gone to sort the club out and send it in the right direction, if the likes of Hamer and Starnes couldn't do it then perhaps Barton can, as odd as that may seem. I guess we, and more so Wael!, just have to trust him to be doing right for the club and not his, and his mate's, own bank balance. Trust, you touch on it so I want to respond. If trust is breached then it prompts concern. In our case trust has truly been breached, we’ve racked up debt, been relegated and had 0 progress made towards a stadium. So what Gashead shouldn’t be entitled to concern in that scenario? You don’t have to be knowledgable about the way lower league football is run to know that having a managers puppet on the board is completely unheard of.
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Post by harrystokegas on Jun 17, 2021 15:36:32 GMT
I don’t think you can say he’s aiming in the wrong direction at least, last time we took a step backwards we turned around and took 2 steps forward. I believe we can do that again. Utg People who accept defeat, will never achieve net success. That’s just a fact. We got 2 relegations last time, followed by 2 promotions and now a relegations. That’s 2 promotions and 3 relegations. A net result of one step in the wrong direction. It’s time Rovers fans stopped being lackeys and started having some ambition. In wanting something new, different for the football club, I believe I’ve showed plenty of that in this thread.
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Post by harrystokegas on Jun 17, 2021 15:37:49 GMT
Yes, but Wael could have said no. You’re saying that a operational manager is appointing board members. He’s not. If Wael didn’t like it, he couldn’t appoint them. Joey has clearly suggested people and given the current directors are abject failures, Wael is taking this advice. The point being made is Joey is not appointing them and could not appoint them. I’m not sure where you’re going with the NED point, I would say a pointless hair splitting exercise to win pointless points. Agree to disagree. If you think that first team managers don’t have an extremely strong influence on a football club and are, if anything, more powerful than some or all directors, and want to compare it to the board structure of Barclays Bank, feel free to do so. The new director arrived to do a specific analysis of the club . Which i guess he did judging by the exits that have occured. Wael must have been impressed enough to find a role at the club for him. Would be my take on the situation It’s not that hard to make Wael impressed. Half decent PowerPoint, brag about some famous player you’ve met. Our very problem is this in fact.
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Post by harrystokegas on Jun 17, 2021 15:39:21 GMT
If you look at Jocks rather mouth watering mealtime thread you’ll see plenty of posts written in his Scottish twang. Probably didn’t notice because I’m not on here that often. The best thing about the fans forum supporters club was getting to meet other posters. When you actually get to know the people you reply to, it makes it much less probable that you will reply with any nastiness My reply to Jock was a genuine question as I have said, English is my 2nd language and so I love words and finding new ones. I see the use of An instead of and, in Wales more than anywhere else. I am close to a good number of Scots folk as many of my fathers armoured divisions settled in Scotland as it was formed there. I often exchange emails and letters with them and have not seen them use it before so I didn’t think it was a Scottish thing I can be called a grammar nazi by a fair few but only because I don’t take umbrage when someone corrects me, I prefer if they do as I learn from it. It was, by no means, meant in a derisive manner The bloke strikes me as a parody and not an actual Scot. None of the Scots I know type like that.
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Post by harrystokegas on Jun 17, 2021 15:41:06 GMT
I’m sure it was watertight… What about the landing lights are on and the plane is coming into land, or exciting news coming in just a few weeks. Just a few of the baseless lies that have been spun to Gasheads and not delivered upon by Wael.
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Post by harrystokegas on Jun 17, 2021 15:43:03 GMT
I sort of think that's my point isn't it. Wael has evidently made the decision on Joey's say so. Your record producer analogy doesn't stack up (I wasn't using an analogy by the way) because Gibson has been appointed as a NED as well, which, while not a decision making role is an influential one - in fact influence is the key point of a NED. Given we managed to get relegated and run up debts of over £20m thrn perhaps someone else making football decisions on Wael's behalf is no bad thing? Or would you prefer Wael keeps making the decisions himself and we end up back in non league football with even bigger debts? Hamer, Starnes and Widdrington have all been, relative failures, Gibson will do well be be worse than those three, although he's previous connections to JB he doesn't appear to be a member of his Scouse inner group of mates. Nail on the head, Wael is a lovely chap but I honestly wouldn’t trust him to run a waterup in a brewery and neither would Hani if his departure from Rovers suggests anything.
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Jun 17, 2021 15:47:09 GMT
You forgotten your login for the other forum?
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 17, 2021 15:47:47 GMT
Not sure any of us follow other lower league club's to know what goes on regarding employing directors etc, however, something needs to be gone to sort the club out and send it in the right direction, if the likes of Hamer and Starnes couldn't do it then perhaps Barton can, as odd as that may seem. I guess we, and more so Wael!, just have to trust him to be doing right for the club and not his, and his mate's, own bank balance. Trust, you touch on it so I want to respond. If trust is breached then it prompts concern. In our case trust has truly been breached, we’ve racked up debt, been relegated and had 0 progress made towards a stadium. So what Gashead shouldn’t be entitled to concern in that scenario? You don’t have to be knowledgable about the way lower league football is run to know that having a managers puppet on the board is completely unheard of. Unless you know their relationship then you don't know he is a puppet of the manager. Whether trust is breached depends on the person and what has happened compared to promised. The debt has been capitalised and Wael has confirmed he will keep us going financially. Trust would be breached if he reneged on that. Promotion and relegation is part and parcel of football, would rather it hadn't happened but not sure that is a breach as it's not within the gift of any owner, really. Poor judgement on managers or on players perhaps, but not a breach of trust either. Stadium wise, yes the UWE fell through but this remains a work in progress. Trust not yet breached although patience is starting to wear thin. He also promised a training ground which is being constructed as we speak. So a positive in the trust column. What he hasn't done is wind up the club and sell the stadium which is one of the nightmare scenarios some have suggested will happen. On balance, I'd probably trust him at this stage.
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Jun 17, 2021 15:48:39 GMT
Probably didn’t notice because I’m not on here that often. The best thing about the fans forum supporters club was getting to meet other posters. When you actually get to know the people you reply to, it makes it much less probable that you will reply with any nastiness My reply to Jock was a genuine question as I have said, English is my 2nd language and so I love words and finding new ones. I see the use of An instead of and, in Wales more than anywhere else. I am close to a good number of Scots folk as many of my fathers armoured divisions settled in Scotland as it was formed there. I often exchange emails and letters with them and have not seen them use it before so I didn’t think it was a Scottish thing I can be called a grammar nazi by a fair few but only because I don’t take umbrage when someone corrects me, I prefer if they do as I learn from it. It was, by no means, meant in a derisive manner The bloke strikes me as a parody and not an actual Scot. None of the Scots I know type like that. And you've gone too far now....Mods, have a word!
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Post by harrystokegas on Jun 17, 2021 15:53:57 GMT
The bloke strikes me as a parody and not an actual Scot. None of the Scots I know type like that. And you've gone too far now....Mods, have a word! Eh, I don’t care who the bloke is, I just said that’s how he comes across in response to a post who was a bit confused.
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Post by harrystokegas on Jun 17, 2021 15:55:08 GMT
You forgotten your login for the other forum? Nope.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Jun 17, 2021 15:56:09 GMT
The new director arrived to do a specific analysis of the club . Which i guess he did judging by the exits that have occured. Wael must have been impressed enough to find a role at the club for him. Would be my take on the situation It’s not that hard to make Wael impressed. Half decent PowerPoint, brag about some famous player you’ve met. Our very problem is this in fact. Again all your opinion unless of course you were present at the meetings between Wael and the new director and sat on the interview panels for the managers appointed since he arrived
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Jun 17, 2021 15:56:59 GMT
And you've gone too far now....Mods, have a word! Eh, I don’t care who the bloke is, I just said that’s how he comes across in response to a post who was a bit confused. It was tongue in cheek, but don't ever question the credibility of Big Jock on this forum again. Thanks in advance.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2021 15:58:26 GMT
The bloke strikes me as a parody and not an actual Scot. None of the Scots I know type like that. And you've gone too far now....Mods, have a word! The line has been crossed!!
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Post by harrystokegas on Jun 17, 2021 15:59:01 GMT
Trust, you touch on it so I want to respond. If trust is breached then it prompts concern. In our case trust has truly been breached, we’ve racked up debt, been relegated and had 0 progress made towards a stadium. So what Gashead shouldn’t be entitled to concern in that scenario? You don’t have to be knowledgable about the way lower league football is run to know that having a managers puppet on the board is completely unheard of. Unless you know their relationship then you don't know he is a puppet of the manager. Whether trust is breached depends on the person and what has happened compared to promised. The debt has been capitalised and Wael has confirmed he will keep us going financially. Trust would be breached if he reneged on that. Promotion and relegation is part and parcel of football, would rather it hadn't happened but not sure that is a breach as it's not within the gift of any owner, really. Poor judgement on managers or on players perhaps, but not a breach of trust either. Stadium wise, yes the UWE fell through but this remains a work in progress. Trust not yet breached although patience is starting to wear thin. He also promised a training ground which is being constructed as we speak. So a positive in the trust column. What he hasn't done is wind up the club and sell the stadium which is one of the nightmare scenarios some have suggested will happen. On balance, I'd probably trust him at this stage. Pretty big clue in their relationship is that they used to work together, that’s public knowledge. My trust in Wael has certainly been breached, legitimising my concern. Why, you ask? None of his promises, about evolution, new stadiums, youth academies ect have been met and we’ve gone backwards. My concern is how long can Wael keep going. How long does he have that kind of money to throw away. In Wael’s admittance he’s no billionaire, so surely the thought of him throwing away tens of millions independently of his family, even make the most supportive of Gasheads a little concerned? The training ground is underwhelming, to say the least. On balance? Nope not trusting him.
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Post by harrystokegas on Jun 17, 2021 16:00:07 GMT
Eh, I don’t care who the bloke is, I just said that’s how he comes across in response to a post who was a bit confused. It was tongue in cheek, but don't ever question the credibility of Big Jock on this forum again. Thanks is advance. A little advice to you, don’t call for the mods next time. As I’ve learnt they rarely intervene, even in clear cases of name calling.
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Post by harrystokegas on Jun 17, 2021 16:01:38 GMT
It’s not that hard to make Wael impressed. Half decent PowerPoint, brag about some famous player you’ve met. Our very problem is this in fact. Again all your opinion unless of course you were present at the meetings between Wael and the new director and sat on the interview panels for the managers appointed since he arrived Plenty of circumstantial evidence that supports it. If it was a one off, I’d tend to agree but now its a pattern that’s emerging. My opinion? I’ve never denied the fact that what I post on here is such.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2021 16:04:44 GMT
In a sentence Harry, what are you going to do about your concerns? Other than keep moaning.
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