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Post by Big Jock on Jun 9, 2021 16:37:02 GMT
Well, I think th most important question is : what do you suggest we do about it? Plus, I assume ye have a master plan? …we’re all ears pal 👍
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Post by lpgas1 on Jun 9, 2021 16:40:36 GMT
So I realise as a bit of a newbie on this forum that I might be opening myself to accusations ‘of not being one of us’ etc ect, but please hear me out as I just want to depart my tuppence on the ownership situation. When Wael arrived we were all but a league one club. Not having any argument that he took us up in 2016 because he didn’t. That was DC and Higgs’s success and he made a point of very publicly glorying in it. Fair enough I suppose. We now find ourselves a league two club so he’s taken us back a division as far as league position entails. Devolution not evolution then. Stadium? No progress. However more alarming for me is the way it appears Wael is easily led. Feels like he bought too much into the Garner project, we got punished. Influenced too much by Widdrington and Starnes to appoint Tisdale, didn’t go well. Now we’ve allowed the next manager to have control to appoint members to the board, fire entire departments, bring a whole host of figures including Jennings who I’ve heard is next. Who let’s a new manager wield that kind of power? Like Joey and want him to do well, but if the high bar he’s set himself this season isn’t reached which lets be fair is a possibility considering our struggles in L2 in the past, it’ll all end up with tears. You may think its benevolent that Wael appears to be handling the debt situation but asked yourselves why did we rack up that amount of debt just to achieve 0 footballing success, no progress off the field and ultimately relegation in the first place? Even the beloved training ground is having issues, with planning having to be amended halfway through construction after the architects found that the building would not be fit for purpose for a football club. The result? A smallish building designed in the 1990s with a comically lack of windows, a small dingy shed for the gym, a couple of nice pitches and nothing much else. Will they be in for the start of next season? I encourage people to look at the training facilities of Oxford or Fleetwood, or MK Dons, to see how much of a downgrade this is to equivalent football clubs. Rovers fans lap it up due to the lack of progress thats ever been made off the field which is fair enough, but this development has not yet levelled the playing field to other modern football clubs around us, not by a long stretch. Then lets analyse his management of managers shall we? 3 managers have left with clouds over their heads amid rumours of friction with the board in GC, DC and PT. Does that smack of good management to you? The other manager BG got sacked after an atrocious record and the current manager JB, although I’m willing to give him time, has a pretty abysmal record too. Then there’s been fallings out with Ken Masters, fallings out with Steve Hamer, poor treatment of Mansell, embarrassing spat with the supporters club. Not exactly great headlines to accrue. I’m concerned about our future, genuinely concerned. It’s hard to say that but as the football club is close to my heart I’ve just got to speak out and say it. I’m concerned that Wael is rapidly running out funds and has bitten off more than he can chew, I’m concerned about the power we’ve randomly let one manager wield over the club, I’m concerned that an aging fan base and a run down stadium means trouble down the line too. So let me ask you this, say an alternative group of investors came forward, they had funds, reputable contacts in the game, genuine plans for improving the football club. Would this be a ripe opportunity for Wael to step aside? The man has the club at heart as he professes and I’ve not got many bad things to say about the man as a person, so I sincerely hope he considerers his future at the club long term and if the offer is right, steps a side and becomes one of us, a fan. What poor treatment of Mansell? He was sacked as the club is reorganising its backroom staff. If he wasnt an ex player then no one would be bothered. As for the supporters club it is badly run, irrevelant to most supporters and so dis-organised one of its memebers embezles it. How do you know Wael is rapidly running out of funds? You dont. There are no other group of investors. Its a story that was dead 3 years ago. If you are concerned then I suggest you buy a season ticket if you haven't already
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Post by harrystokegas on Jun 9, 2021 16:43:12 GMT
Well, I think th most important question is : what do you suggest we do about it? Plus, I assume ye have a master plan? …we’re all ears pal 👍 I’ve hinted what I would do about it in the OP. Sell the club to people that have a credible plan, and means of enacting it. Of course, this needs to be a rigourous and thorough process to ensure the right type of people take charge, but I’ve completely lost confidence in Wael’s running of the club, especially with the likes of Starnes on board. This isn’t a Wael bashing excercise, I think he’s a nice bloke, more of a way of bringing his ownership under to scrutiny and exposing this to a fan base comfortable of sitting under a rock.
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Post by harrystokegas on Jun 9, 2021 16:44:16 GMT
So I realise as a bit of a newbie on this forum that I might be opening myself to accusations ‘of not being one of us’ etc ect, but please hear me out as I just want to depart my tuppence on the ownership situation. When Wael arrived we were all but a league one club. Not having any argument that he took us up in 2016 because he didn’t. That was DC and Higgs’s success and he made a point of very publicly glorying in it. Fair enough I suppose. We now find ourselves a league two club so he’s taken us back a division as far as league position entails. Devolution not evolution then. Stadium? No progress. However more alarming for me is the way it appears Wael is easily led. Feels like he bought too much into the Garner project, we got punished. Influenced too much by Widdrington and Starnes to appoint Tisdale, didn’t go well. Now we’ve allowed the next manager to have control to appoint members to the board, fire entire departments, bring a whole host of figures including Jennings who I’ve heard is next. Who let’s a new manager wield that kind of power? Like Joey and want him to do well, but if the high bar he’s set himself this season isn’t reached which lets be fair is a possibility considering our struggles in L2 in the past, it’ll all end up with tears. You may think its benevolent that Wael appears to be handling the debt situation but asked yourselves why did we rack up that amount of debt just to achieve 0 footballing success, no progress off the field and ultimately relegation in the first place? Even the beloved training ground is having issues, with planning having to be amended halfway through construction after the architects found that the building would not be fit for purpose for a football club. The result? A smallish building designed in the 1990s with a comically lack of windows, a small dingy shed for the gym, a couple of nice pitches and nothing much else. Will they be in for the start of next season? I encourage people to look at the training facilities of Oxford or Fleetwood, or MK Dons, to see how much of a downgrade this is to equivalent football clubs. Rovers fans lap it up due to the lack of progress thats ever been made off the field which is fair enough, but this development has not yet levelled the playing field to other modern football clubs around us, not by a long stretch. Then lets analyse his management of managers shall we? 3 managers have left with clouds over their heads amid rumours of friction with the board in GC, DC and PT. Does that smack of good management to you? The other manager BG got sacked after an atrocious record and the current manager JB, although I’m willing to give him time, has a pretty abysmal record too. Then there’s been fallings out with Ken Masters, fallings out with Steve Hamer, poor treatment of Mansell, embarrassing spat with the supporters club. Not exactly great headlines to accrue. I’m concerned about our future, genuinely concerned. It’s hard to say that but as the football club is close to my heart I’ve just got to speak out and say it. I’m concerned that Wael is rapidly running out funds and has bitten off more than he can chew, I’m concerned about the power we’ve randomly let one manager wield over the club, I’m concerned that an aging fan base and a run down stadium means trouble down the line too. So let me ask you this, say an alternative group of investors came forward, they had funds, reputable contacts in the game, genuine plans for improving the football club. Would this be a ripe opportunity for Wael to step aside? The man has the club at heart as he professes and I’ve not got many bad things to say about the man as a person, so I sincerely hope he considerers his future at the club long term and if the offer is right, steps a side and becomes one of us, a fan. What poor treatment of Mansell? He was sacked as the club is reorganising its backroom staff. If he wasnt an ex player then no one would be bothered. As for the supporters club it is badly run, irrevelant to most supporters and so dis-organised one of its memebers embezles it. How do you know Wael is rapidly running out of funds? You dont. There are no other group of investors. Its a story that was dead 3 years ago. If you are concerned then I suggest you buy a season ticket if you haven't already I suggest you look at the reaction of his former teammates to get an indication of the poor treatment that took place.
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Post by Big Jock on Jun 9, 2021 16:45:13 GMT
Well, I think th most important question is : what do you suggest we do about it? Plus, I assume ye have a master plan? …we’re all ears pal 👍 I’ve hinted what I would do about it in the OP. Sell the club to people that have a credible plan, and means of enacting it. Of course, this needs to be a rigourous and thorough process to ensure the right type of people take charge, but I’ve completely lost confidence in Wael’s running of the club, especially with the likes of Starnes on board. This isn’t a Wael bashing excercise, I think he’s a nice bloke, more of a way of bringing his ownership under to scrutiny and exposing this to a fan base comfortable of sitting under a rock. My honest answer ta your idea is the type of folk you are looking for don’t exist and you won’t find them. With respect.
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Post by harrystokegas on Jun 9, 2021 16:50:37 GMT
I’ve hinted what I would do about it in the OP. Sell the club to people that have a credible plan, and means of enacting it. Of course, this needs to be a rigourous and thorough process to ensure the right type of people take charge, but I’ve completely lost confidence in Wael’s running of the club, especially with the likes of Starnes on board. This isn’t a Wael bashing excercise, I think he’s a nice bloke, more of a way of bringing his ownership under to scrutiny and exposing this to a fan base comfortable of sitting under a rock. My honest answer ta your idea is the type of folk you are looking for don’t exist and you won’t find them. With respect. We’ll have to agree to disagree then Jock.
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Post by baggins on Jun 9, 2021 16:50:57 GMT
Thank God for drink.
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Jun 9, 2021 16:51:56 GMT
harrystokegas I'm still interested to know where your latest annual debt figures have come from? The usual made up crap that becomes forum fact then. Thanks for clarifying.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2021 16:53:42 GMT
What poor treatment of Mansell? He was sacked as the club is reorganising its backroom staff. If he wasnt an ex player then no one would be bothered. As for the supporters club it is badly run, irrevelant to most supporters and so dis-organised one of its memebers embezles it. How do you know Wael is rapidly running out of funds? You dont. There are no other group of investors. Its a story that was dead 3 years ago. If you are concerned then I suggest you buy a season ticket if you haven't already I suggest you look at the reaction of his former teammates to get an indication of the poor treatment that took place. We all know about tweets from the likes of Lines and Ollie Clarke, but what exactly was the poor treatment he received?
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Post by dinsdale on Jun 9, 2021 16:54:24 GMT
Yes he is, £25m to be worst then when he came. Still time to put it right and better off having someone blowing millions down the sh**ter then a smaller wonga loan i guess Less debt. In league 2 (we were in league 2, so no change there then) Training ground (we didn’t have one then) The Mem is still the Mem, but we have two extra tents, refreshed tarmac behind the Thatchers, and we have two new stands, even if they’re tents. We’ve not become Man City over night but things aren’t any worse than in February 2016. Not much better, granted, but there has been progress. If you want to compare the last 5 years however, to the five years that preceded them. Well, it’s night and day isn’t it. £25m has bought us two tents, some tarmac and a field in Almondsbury.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 9, 2021 16:58:22 GMT
Surprised, pleasantly, this hasn’t been jumped on by the usual group f**ks sake KP, give us time!!
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Post by harrystokegas on Jun 9, 2021 17:00:01 GMT
harrystokegas I'm still interested to know where your latest annual debt figures have come from? The usual made up crap that becomes forum fact then. Thanks for clarifying. Eh?
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Post by bluebiro on Jun 9, 2021 17:01:10 GMT
Usual bitter band stirring it up. Dont go to games because they now have to pay to watch and their mates no longer at the club giving them snippets that they can tantalise on this forum.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 9, 2021 17:01:19 GMT
I lost interest and stopped taking the OP seriously when he started moaning about Hamer, Masters and the SC treatment by the club.
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Post by eastgas on Jun 9, 2021 17:01:37 GMT
I think you’ll find that we’ve accrued a lot of debt since then. £3 million a year loss was an optimistic figure being bandied about, going by that we’re now in £6 million of debt, possibly and quite probably more with no sustainability in sight as I suspect the new signings cost a few bob. That’s more debt then we were ever in under Higgs I say. The supposed debt that got wiped away? Equity, and equity that no prospective owner will want to take on. So either Wael pays an extortionately high bar tab, which is growing I might add, later on or we’ll find ourselves in a lot of trouble. Hence my concerns. When will Wael run out of funds to foot this, soon. Maybe very soon if the poster Swiss on the other forum is correct in his calculations of high much Wael actually has. Welcome to the forum Harrystokegas. Firstly I understand you have concerns as do many others, but ultimately many of the concerns you have listed are based on pure guesswork and speculation. You, me or anyone else other than wael knows how much funding he has available. To say he will run out of money soon based on some calculations by another forum member who has absolutely no knowledge of Waels wealth is just not correct. I could guess that wael has hundreds of millions of pounds available to him but that’s all it would be just a guess. In regards to we were already in league one when he took over isn’t something I would agree with as for all we know the huge amount of positivity created around the club when the al qadi family purchased the club could of played a huge part in our end of season run in. The training ground is more than fit for purpose and to claim its underdeveloped is again opinion. Have you actually visited the site? I can tell you that the gym area is not “a dingy shed” and the main building will not be “comically small” once the extension is taken into account. I believe the build was started with the fact the design wasn’t what they wanted and the extension would be added was known. Are you claiming these things because it’s not super shiny and built from modern materials? Functionality over style for me everyday. A lot of money is being invested here and once all phases are complete I imagine it will be a very impressive training complex. The memorial stadium I can’t disagree with you, but wael knows this also. He has stated these issues many times. I can’t imagine anyone would invest the sums of money wael has without knowing a stadium will one day be built. I have to agree things seem to be moving extremely slowly on this front but I can imagine the last 18 months haven’t helped with this. Wael says we will have a new stadium, and call it bling faith on my part but I have absolutely no reason to disbelieve him. He hasn’t been proven a fantasist or liar yet in my opinion. I covered on another thread my thoughts on the gamble of giving JB so much power but it’s a gamble which ever route wael chooses. I do understand your concerns I just feel you could be a bit more rational with your claims
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Post by daniel300380 on Jun 9, 2021 17:04:25 GMT
So I realise as a bit of a newbie on this forum that I might be opening myself to accusations ‘of not being one of us’ etc ect, but please hear me out as I just want to depart my tuppence on the ownership situation. When Wael arrived we were all but a league one club. Not having any argument that he took us up in 2016 because he didn’t. That was DC and Higgs’s success and he made a point of very publicly glorying in it. Fair enough I suppose. We now find ourselves a league two club so he’s taken us back a division as far as league position entails. Devolution not evolution then. Stadium? No progress. However more alarming for me is the way it appears Wael is easily led. Feels like he bought too much into the Garner project, we got punished. Influenced too much by Widdrington and Starnes to appoint Tisdale, didn’t go well. Now we’ve allowed the next manager to have control to appoint members to the board, fire entire departments, bring a whole host of figures including Jennings who I’ve heard is next. Who let’s a new manager wield that kind of power? Like Joey and want him to do well, but if the high bar he’s set himself this season isn’t reached which lets be fair is a possibility considering our struggles in L2 in the past, it’ll all end up with tears. You may think its benevolent that Wael appears to be handling the debt situation but asked yourselves why did we rack up that amount of debt just to achieve 0 footballing success, no progress off the field and ultimately relegation in the first place? Even the beloved training ground is having issues, with planning having to be amended halfway through construction after the architects found that the building would not be fit for purpose for a football club. The result? A smallish building designed in the 1990s with a comically lack of windows, a small dingy shed for the gym, a couple of nice pitches and nothing much else. Will they be in for the start of next season? I encourage people to look at the training facilities of Oxford or Fleetwood, or MK Dons, to see how much of a downgrade this is to equivalent football clubs. Rovers fans lap it up due to the lack of progress thats ever been made off the field which is fair enough, but this development has not yet levelled the playing field to other modern football clubs around us, not by a long stretch. Then lets analyse his management of managers shall we? 3 managers have left with clouds over their heads amid rumours of friction with the board in GC, DC and PT. Does that smack of good management to you? The other manager BG got sacked after an atrocious record and the current manager JB, although I’m willing to give him time, has a pretty abysmal record too. Then there’s been fallings out with Ken Masters, fallings out with Steve Hamer, poor treatment of Mansell, embarrassing spat with the supporters club. Not exactly great headlines to accrue. I’m concerned about our future, genuinely concerned. It’s hard to say that but as the football club is close to my heart I’ve just got to speak out and say it. I’m concerned that Wael is rapidly running out funds and has bitten off more than he can chew, I’m concerned about the power we’ve randomly let one manager wield over the club, I’m concerned that an aging fan base and a run down stadium means trouble down the line too. So let me ask you this, say an alternative group of investors came forward, they had funds, reputable contacts in the game, genuine plans for improving the football club. Would this be a ripe opportunity for Wael to step aside? The man has the club at heart as he professes and I’ve not got many bad things to say about the man as a person, so I sincerely hope he considerers his future at the club long term and if the offer is right, steps a side and becomes one of us, a fan. A small shed for a gym😂. Wish I had a shed like that. Some people just moan about anything, looks like you are one of those people. Or just fishing for bites.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 9, 2021 17:04:50 GMT
I think you’ll find that we’ve accrued a lot of debt since then. £3 million a year loss was an optimistic figure being bandied about, going by that we’re now in £6 million of debt, possibly and quite probably more with no sustainability in sight as I suspect the new signings cost a few bob. That’s more debt then we were ever in under Higgs I say. The supposed debt that got wiped away? Equity, and equity that no prospective owner will want to take on. So either Wael pays an extortionately high bar tab, which is growing I might add, later on or we’ll find ourselves in a lot of trouble. Hence my concerns. When will Wael run out of funds to foot this, soon. Maybe very soon if the poster Swiss on the other forum is correct in his calculations of high much Wael actually has. Welcome to the forum Harrystokegas. Firstly I understand you have concerns as do many others, but ultimately many of the concerns you have listed are based on pure guesswork and speculation. You, me or anyone else other than wael knows how much funding he has available. To say he will run out of money soon based on some calculations by another forum member who has absolutely no knowledge of Waels wealth is just not correct. I could guess that wael has hundreds of millions of pounds available to him but that’s all it would be just a guess. In regards to we were already in league one when he took over isn’t something I would agree with as for all we know the huge amount of positivity created around the club when the al qadi family purchased the club could of played a huge part in our end of season run in. The training ground is more than fit for purpose and to claim its underdeveloped is again opinion. Have you actually visited the site? I can tell you that the gym area is not “a dingy shed” and the main building will not be “comically small” once the extension is taken into account. I believe the build was started with the fact the design wasn’t what they wanted and the extension would be added was known. Are you claiming these things because it’s not super shiny and built from modern materials? Functionality over style for me everyday. A lot of money is being invested here and once all phases are complete I imagine it will be a very impressive training complex. The memorial stadium I can’t disagree with you, but wael knows this also. He has stated these issues many times. I can’t imagine anyone would invest the sums of money wael has without knowing a stadium will one day be built. I have to agree things seem to be moving extremely slowly on this front but I can imagine the last 18 months haven’t helped with this. Wael says we will have a new stadium, and call it bling faith on my part but I have absolutely no reason to disbelieve him. He hasn’t been proven a fantasist or liar yet in my opinion. I covered on another thread my thoughts on the gamble of giving JB so much power but it’s a gamble which ever route wael chooses. I do understand your concerns I just feel you could be a bit more rational with your claims Fair play, you gave him more time of the day than I could be arsed to.
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Post by harrystokegas on Jun 9, 2021 17:06:59 GMT
Welcome to the forum Harrystokegas. Firstly I understand you have concerns as do many others, but ultimately many of the concerns you have listed are based on pure guesswork and speculation. You, me or anyone else other than wael knows how much funding he has available. To say he will run out of money soon based on some calculations by another forum member who has absolutely no knowledge of Waels wealth is just not correct. I could guess that wael has hundreds of millions of pounds available to him but that’s all it would be just a guess. In regards to we were already in league one when he took over isn’t something I would agree with as for all we know the huge amount of positivity created around the club when the al qadi family purchased the club could of played a huge part in our end of season run in. The training ground is more than fit for purpose and to claim its underdeveloped is again opinion. Have you actually visited the site? I can tell you that the gym area is not “a dingy shed” and the main building will not be “comically small” once the extension is taken into account. I believe the build was started with the fact the design wasn’t what they wanted and the extension would be added was known. Are you claiming these things because it’s not super shiny and built from modern materials? Functionality over style for me everyday. A lot of money is being invested here and once all phases are complete I imagine it will be a very impressive training complex. The memorial stadium I can’t disagree with you, but wael knows this also. He has stated these issues many times. I can’t imagine anyone would invest the sums of money wael has without knowing a stadium will one day be built. I have to agree things seem to be moving extremely slowly on this front but I can imagine the last 18 months haven’t helped with this. Wael says we will have a new stadium, and call it bling faith on my part but I have absolutely no reason to disbelieve him. He hasn’t been proven a fantasist or liar yet in my opinion. I covered on another thread my thoughts on the gamble of giving JB so much power but it’s a gamble which ever route wael chooses. I do understand your concerns I just feel you could be a bit more rational with your claims Fair play, you gave him more time of the day than I could be arsed to. If you want to be sarcastic and condescending about it, I’ve got a suggestion for you. Don’t post.
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Post by Marshy on Jun 9, 2021 17:07:45 GMT
That’s the only post that makes sense on this thread.
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Post by harrystokegas on Jun 9, 2021 17:09:35 GMT
I think you’ll find that we’ve accrued a lot of debt since then. £3 million a year loss was an optimistic figure being bandied about, going by that we’re now in £6 million of debt, possibly and quite probably more with no sustainability in sight as I suspect the new signings cost a few bob. That’s more debt then we were ever in under Higgs I say. The supposed debt that got wiped away? Equity, and equity that no prospective owner will want to take on. So either Wael pays an extortionately high bar tab, which is growing I might add, later on or we’ll find ourselves in a lot of trouble. Hence my concerns. When will Wael run out of funds to foot this, soon. Maybe very soon if the poster Swiss on the other forum is correct in his calculations of high much Wael actually has. Welcome to the forum Harrystokegas. Firstly I understand you have concerns as do many others, but ultimately many of the concerns you have listed are based on pure guesswork and speculation. You, me or anyone else other than wael knows how much funding he has available. To say he will run out of money soon based on some calculations by another forum member who has absolutely no knowledge of Waels wealth is just not correct. I could guess that wael has hundreds of millions of pounds available to him but that’s all it would be just a guess. In regards to we were already in league one when he took over isn’t something I would agree with as for all we know the huge amount of positivity created around the club when the al qadi family purchased the club could of played a huge part in our end of season run in. The training ground is more than fit for purpose and to claim its underdeveloped is again opinion. Have you actually visited the site? I can tell you that the gym area is not “a dingy shed” and the main building will not be “comically small” once the extension is taken into account. I believe the build was started with the fact the design wasn’t what they wanted and the extension would be added was known. Are you claiming these things because it’s not super shiny and built from modern materials? Functionality over style for me everyday. A lot of money is being invested here and once all phases are complete I imagine it will be a very impressive training complex. The memorial stadium I can’t disagree with you, but wael knows this also. He has stated these issues many times. I can’t imagine anyone would invest the sums of money wael has without knowing a stadium will one day be built. I have to agree things seem to be moving extremely slowly on this front but I can imagine the last 18 months haven’t helped with this. Wael says we will have a new stadium, and call it bling faith on my part but I have absolutely no reason to disbelieve him. He hasn’t been proven a fantasist or liar yet in my opinion. I covered on another thread my thoughts on the gamble of giving JB so much power but it’s a gamble which ever route wael chooses. I do understand your concerns I just feel you could be a bit more rational with your claims It is a dingy shed not much larger I believe. I have visited the site btw. Some very valid estimations on the other forum have been undertaken about finances, I encourage you to check them out. Wael will get us a new stadium is indeed blind faith, but I’m the one espousing estimations and not being rational. Thanks for your response though. I sense it was more genuine and reasonable than some of the others I’ve had so far.
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