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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 9, 2021 17:14:00 GMT
Welcome to the forum Harrystokegas. Firstly I understand you have concerns as do many others, but ultimately many of the concerns you have listed are based on pure guesswork and speculation. You, me or anyone else other than wael knows how much funding he has available. To say he will run out of money soon based on some calculations by another forum member who has absolutely no knowledge of Waels wealth is just not correct. I could guess that wael has hundreds of millions of pounds available to him but that’s all it would be just a guess. In regards to we were already in league one when he took over isn’t something I would agree with as for all we know the huge amount of positivity created around the club when the al qadi family purchased the club could of played a huge part in our end of season run in. The training ground is more than fit for purpose and to claim its underdeveloped is again opinion. Have you actually visited the site? I can tell you that the gym area is not “a dingy shed” and the main building will not be “comically small” once the extension is taken into account. I believe the build was started with the fact the design wasn’t what they wanted and the extension would be added was known. Are you claiming these things because it’s not super shiny and built from modern materials? Functionality over style for me everyday. A lot of money is being invested here and once all phases are complete I imagine it will be a very impressive training complex. The memorial stadium I can’t disagree with you, but wael knows this also. He has stated these issues many times. I can’t imagine anyone would invest the sums of money wael has without knowing a stadium will one day be built. I have to agree things seem to be moving extremely slowly on this front but I can imagine the last 18 months haven’t helped with this. Wael says we will have a new stadium, and call it bling faith on my part but I have absolutely no reason to disbelieve him. He hasn’t been proven a fantasist or liar yet in my opinion. I covered on another thread my thoughts on the gamble of giving JB so much power but it’s a gamble which ever route wael chooses. I do understand your concerns I just feel you could be a bit more rational with your claims It is a dingy shed not much larger I believe. I have visited the site btw. Some very valid estimations on the other forum have been undertaken about finances, I encourage you to check them out. Wael will get us a new stadium is indeed blind faith, but I’m the one espousing estimations and not being rational. Thanks for your response though. I sense it was more genuine and reasonable than some of the others I’ve had so far. I would suggest you spend less time listening to Roy and friends.
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Post by spiess1 on Jun 9, 2021 17:14:23 GMT
Harrystoke = bobbyjones, isn't it, Mmmm. I claim my £3m Tomorrow he shall be......
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Post by harrystokegas on Jun 9, 2021 17:14:42 GMT
It is a dingy shed not much larger I believe. I have visited the site btw. Some very valid estimations on the other forum have been undertaken about finances, I encourage you to check them out. Wael will get us a new stadium is indeed blind faith, but I’m the one espousing estimations and not being rational. Thanks for your response though. I sense it was more genuine and reasonable than some of the others I’ve had so far. I would suggest you spend less time listening to Roy and friends. Who is Roy?
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Post by peterhooper57 on Jun 9, 2021 17:15:30 GMT
For me WAQ has been brilliant for Rovers, bought the club from Higgs who was taken BRFC nowhere, bought the debt, kept the club afloat during Covid, built a training ground, top bloke. I don't see anybody else stepping up to the plate.
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Post by harrystokegas on Jun 9, 2021 17:15:52 GMT
Harrystoke = bobbyjones, isn't it, Mmmm. I claim my £3m Tomorrow he shall be...... If you’re not referring to the football bobby jones, who I had the pleasure of knowing, who is bobbyjones. Lots of vague references to people that I should know which I’m not getting at all.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 9, 2021 17:16:28 GMT
I would suggest you spend less time listening to Roy and friends. Who is Roy? Obvious WUM is obvious.
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Post by harrystokegas on Jun 9, 2021 17:16:53 GMT
For me WAQ has been brilliant for Rovers, bought the club from Higgs who was taken BRFC nowhere, bought the debt, kept the club afloat during Covid, built a training ground, top bloke. I don't see anybody else stepping up to the plate. It’s opinions like this which strengthen my belief that Rovers fans can be lead like lambs to the slaughter. So obedient and trusting, it saddens me really.
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Post by harrystokegas on Jun 9, 2021 17:17:56 GMT
I genuinely don’t know who Roy is? I’m just trying to have a debate about a future of the football club, on a football forum, sensibly and without name calling.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 9, 2021 17:18:02 GMT
For me WAQ has been brilliant for Rovers, bought the club from Higgs who was taken BRFC nowhere, bought the debt, kept the club afloat during Covid, built a training ground, top bloke. I don't see anybody else stepping up to the plate. It’s opinions like this which strengthen my belief that Rovers fans can be lead like lambs to the slaughter. So obedient and trusting, it saddens me really. I agree, lots of Rovers fans are easily led.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2021 17:18:46 GMT
I think you’ll find that we’ve accrued a lot of debt since then. £3 million a year loss was an optimistic figure being bandied about, going by that we’re now in £6 million of debt, possibly and quite probably more with no sustainability in sight as I suspect the new signings cost a few bob. That’s more debt then we were ever in under Higgs I say. The supposed debt that got wiped away? Equity, and equity that no prospective owner will want to take on. So either Wael pays an extortionately high bar tab, which is growing I might add, later on or we’ll find ourselves in a lot of trouble. Hence my concerns. When will Wael run out of funds to foot this, soon. Maybe very soon if the poster Swiss on the other forum is correct in his calculations of high much Wael actually has. Welcome to the forum Harrystokegas. Firstly I understand you have concerns as do many others, but ultimately many of the concerns you have listed are based on pure guesswork and speculation. You, me or anyone else other than wael knows how much funding he has available. To say he will run out of money soon based on some calculations by another forum member who has absolutely no knowledge of Waels wealth is just not correct. I could guess that wael has hundreds of millions of pounds available to him but that’s all it would be just a guess. In regards to we were already in league one when he took over isn’t something I would agree with as for all we know the huge amount of positivity created around the club when the al qadi family purchased the club could of played a huge part in our end of season run in. The training ground is more than fit for purpose and to claim its underdeveloped is again opinion. Have you actually visited the site? I can tell you that the gym area is not “a dingy shed” and the main building will not be “comically small” once the extension is taken into account. I believe the build was started with the fact the design wasn’t what they wanted and the extension would be added was known. Are you claiming these things because it’s not super shiny and built from modern materials? Functionality over style for me everyday. A lot of money is being invested here and once all phases are complete I imagine it will be a very impressive training complex. The memorial stadium I can’t disagree with you, but wael knows this also. He has stated these issues many times. I can’t imagine anyone would invest the sums of money wael has without knowing a stadium will one day be built. I have to agree things seem to be moving extremely slowly on this front but I can imagine the last 18 months haven’t helped with this. Wael says we will have a new stadium, and call it bling faith on my part but I have absolutely no reason to disbelieve him. He hasn’t been proven a fantasist or liar yet in my opinion. I covered on another thread my thoughts on the gamble of giving JB so much power but it’s a gamble which ever route wael chooses. I do understand your concerns I just feel you could be a bit more rational with your claims The original poster mentions the training grounds of Oxford, Fleetwood and MK Dons being far superior to our facility. In Oxfords case, developed and owned by the local council and leased to the football club by them. Also due to being owned by the council available for public use. MK Dons a facility opened by the council many years ago for various events and public use. The council agreed in February of this year to let the football club move in and develop the site for the club and public use. Plans still not finished and submitted by the football club. Fleetwood town, a facility developed by the football club with the club providing facilities for the general public. A requirement that the local council required. Bristol Rovers. A private facility entirely owned by the football club for the football club with no facilities for public use. Lots of other claims made by the OP on many parts of his post pure speculation on his own part.
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Post by kampucheagas on Jun 9, 2021 17:22:00 GMT
In answer to your question, is he taking us in the wrong direction, the answer is no. He has ploughed a substantial amount of his own money into his dream and is still here.
The bigger question is will he learn from his mistakes?
At the moment we seem to be swinging wildly from one idea/dna/project - call it what you like - to another without much concrete idea of where it will lead or what it takes for that idea to come to fruition.
In my mind he has been too easily influenced and now needs to make decisions and stick with them. He certainly seems to be right behind the Barton camp and needs to hold his nerve. For once he will need to overcome the stupidity of calling for heads after 10 games and look at the longer picture. That is if Barton sticks with us long term.
At the end of the day football is a dirty old business. Look at Everton.
If he can keep this club afloat and one day build a stadium his legacy will be a fantastic one. Come on Wael. You can do it! We don’t ask for much!!
UTG
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Post by harrystokegas on Jun 9, 2021 17:22:17 GMT
Welcome to the forum Harrystokegas. Firstly I understand you have concerns as do many others, but ultimately many of the concerns you have listed are based on pure guesswork and speculation. You, me or anyone else other than wael knows how much funding he has available. To say he will run out of money soon based on some calculations by another forum member who has absolutely no knowledge of Waels wealth is just not correct. I could guess that wael has hundreds of millions of pounds available to him but that’s all it would be just a guess. In regards to we were already in league one when he took over isn’t something I would agree with as for all we know the huge amount of positivity created around the club when the al qadi family purchased the club could of played a huge part in our end of season run in. The training ground is more than fit for purpose and to claim its underdeveloped is again opinion. Have you actually visited the site? I can tell you that the gym area is not “a dingy shed” and the main building will not be “comically small” once the extension is taken into account. I believe the build was started with the fact the design wasn’t what they wanted and the extension would be added was known. Are you claiming these things because it’s not super shiny and built from modern materials? Functionality over style for me everyday. A lot of money is being invested here and once all phases are complete I imagine it will be a very impressive training complex. The memorial stadium I can’t disagree with you, but wael knows this also. He has stated these issues many times. I can’t imagine anyone would invest the sums of money wael has without knowing a stadium will one day be built. I have to agree things seem to be moving extremely slowly on this front but I can imagine the last 18 months haven’t helped with this. Wael says we will have a new stadium, and call it bling faith on my part but I have absolutely no reason to disbelieve him. He hasn’t been proven a fantasist or liar yet in my opinion. I covered on another thread my thoughts on the gamble of giving JB so much power but it’s a gamble which ever route wael chooses. I do understand your concerns I just feel you could be a bit more rational with your claims The original poster mentions the training grounds of Oxford, Fleetwood and MK Dons being far superior to our facility. In Oxfords case, developed and owned by the local council and leased to the football club by them. Also due to being owned by the council available for public use. MK Dons a facility opened by the council many years ago for various events and public use. The council agreed in February of this year to let the football club move in and develop the site for the club and public use. Plans still not finished and submitted by the football club. Fleetwood town, a facility developed by the football club with the club providing facilities for the general public. A requirement that the local council required. Bristol Rovers. A private facility entirely owned by the football club for the football club with no facilities for public use. Lots of other claims made by the OP on many parts of his post pure speculation on his own part. But a lot of the other claims trying to back Wael up, are speculation on their part. I’ve heard stuff like Wael will get us a new stadium, Wael does have enough finances to keep us afloat. Where is the concrete evidence of that? Other stuff I’ve heard is that he was responsible for the 2016 promotion, he’s completely wiped the debt. Falsities, the like of which you won’t hear me utter. I made those three references, because all three are clearly better than what we have, council owned or not. MK Dons have plans for a new training ground I believe which far outstrips what we are planning to do at the quarters.
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Post by pirate on Jun 9, 2021 17:23:01 GMT
Welcome to the forum Harrystokegas. Firstly I understand you have concerns as do many others, but ultimately many of the concerns you have listed are based on pure guesswork and speculation. You, me or anyone else other than wael knows how much funding he has available. To say he will run out of money soon based on some calculations by another forum member who has absolutely no knowledge of Waels wealth is just not correct. I could guess that wael has hundreds of millions of pounds available to him but that’s all it would be just a guess. In regards to we were already in league one when he took over isn’t something I would agree with as for all we know the huge amount of positivity created around the club when the al qadi family purchased the club could of played a huge part in our end of season run in. The training ground is more than fit for purpose and to claim its underdeveloped is again opinion. Have you actually visited the site? I can tell you that the gym area is not “a dingy shed” and the main building will not be “comically small” once the extension is taken into account. I believe the build was started with the fact the design wasn’t what they wanted and the extension would be added was known. Are you claiming these things because it’s not super shiny and built from modern materials? Functionality over style for me everyday. A lot of money is being invested here and once all phases are complete I imagine it will be a very impressive training complex. The memorial stadium I can’t disagree with you, but wael knows this also. He has stated these issues many times. I can’t imagine anyone would invest the sums of money wael has without knowing a stadium will one day be built. I have to agree things seem to be moving extremely slowly on this front but I can imagine the last 18 months haven’t helped with this. Wael says we will have a new stadium, and call it bling faith on my part but I have absolutely no reason to disbelieve him. He hasn’t been proven a fantasist or liar yet in my opinion. I covered on another thread my thoughts on the gamble of giving JB so much power but it’s a gamble which ever route wael chooses. I do understand your concerns I just feel you could be a bit more rational with your claims The original poster mentions the training grounds of Oxford, Fleetwood and MK Dons being far superior to our facility. In Oxfords case, developed and owned by the local council and leased to the football club by them. Also due to being owned by the council available for public use. MK Dons a facility opened by the council many years ago for various events and public use. The council agreed in February of this year to let the football club move in and develop the site for the club and public use. Plans still not finished and submitted by the football club. Fleetwood town, a facility developed by the football club with the club providing facilities for the general public. A requirement that the local council required. Bristol Rovers. A private facility entirely owned by the football club for the football club with no facilities for public use. Lots of other claims made by the OP on many parts of his post pure speculation on his own part. Fleetwood's is a genuinely first class facility.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2021 17:23:08 GMT
For me WAQ has been brilliant for Rovers, bought the club from Higgs who was taken BRFC nowhere, bought the debt, kept the club afloat during Covid, built a training ground, top bloke. I don't see anybody else stepping up to the plate. You forgot to mention that Wael does not take out Wonga loans in order to fight court battles over watertight contracts.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2021 17:24:24 GMT
What a depressing thread this is we might as well give up and not bother with the football club anymore I've felt that a lot recently tbh
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Post by harrystokegas on Jun 9, 2021 17:24:39 GMT
People obviously don’t like hearing anti Wael sentiment, I’m aware of that but all I’m trying to do is put forward reasoned arguments that convey my concerns about the state of affairs please respect that.
As to supporting the club, I have my season ticket for next year. Can everyone who has replied to this thread claim to have done the same?
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Post by harrystokegas on Jun 9, 2021 17:25:41 GMT
For me WAQ has been brilliant for Rovers, bought the club from Higgs who was taken BRFC nowhere, bought the debt, kept the club afloat during Covid, built a training ground, top bloke. I don't see anybody else stepping up to the plate. You forgot to mention that Wael does not take out Wonga loans in order to fight court battles over watertight contracts. At least Higgs fought for the club to get a new stadium. I’ve seen a distinct lack of fight from Wael on that front so far.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Jun 9, 2021 17:26:45 GMT
Less debt. In league 2 (we were in league 2, so no change there then) Training ground (we didn’t have one then) The Mem is still the Mem, but we have two extra tents, refreshed tarmac behind the Thatchers, and we have two new stands, even if they’re tents. We’ve not become Man City over night but things aren’t any worse than in February 2016. Not much better, granted, but there has been progress. If you want to compare the last 5 years however, to the five years that preceded them. Well, it’s night and day isn’t it. £25m has bought us two tents, some tarmac and a field in Almondsbury. It hasn’t though has it? It’s paid wages, transfer fees, the buy out of contracts for sacked managers, new back room staff etc, paid interest on loans already here when he acquired the club. On top of the two tents, some tarmac and a field in almondsbury. I don’t think WAQ is perfect but let’s not act like he’s done nothing.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Jun 9, 2021 17:27:23 GMT
People obviously don’t like hearing anti Wael sentiment, I’m aware of that but all I’m trying to do is put forward reasoned arguments that convey my concerns about the state of affairs please respect that. As to supporting the club, I have my season ticket for next year. Can everyone who has replied to this thread claim to have done the same? Here we go, I’m a season ticket holder I’m a better fan than you
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2021 17:27:24 GMT
The original poster mentions the training grounds of Oxford, Fleetwood and MK Dons being far superior to our facility. In Oxfords case, developed and owned by the local council and leased to the football club by them. Also due to being owned by the council available for public use. MK Dons a facility opened by the council many years ago for various events and public use. The council agreed in February of this year to let the football club move in and develop the site for the club and public use. Plans still not finished and submitted by the football club. Fleetwood town, a facility developed by the football club with the club providing facilities for the general public. A requirement that the local council required. Bristol Rovers. A private facility entirely owned by the football club for the football club with no facilities for public use. Lots of other claims made by the OP on many parts of his post pure speculation on his own part. Fleetwood's is a genuinely first class facility. Not denying that Fleetwood's facility is top notch, merely pointing out that it is also a facility for the local residents, not a private one.
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