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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 9, 2021 17:35:52 GMT
So I realise as a bit of a newbie on this forum that I might be opening myself to accusations ‘of not being one of us’ etc ect, but please hear me out as I just want to depart my tuppence on the ownership situation. When Wael arrived we were all but a league one club. Not having any argument that he took us up in 2016 because he didn’t. That was DC and Higgs’s success and he made a point of very publicly glorying in it. Fair enough I suppose. We now find ourselves a league two club so he’s taken us back a division as far as league position entails. Devolution not evolution then. Stadium? No progress. However more alarming for me is the way it appears Wael is easily led. Feels like he bought too much into the Garner project, we got punished. Influenced too much by Widdrington and Starnes to appoint Tisdale, didn’t go well. Now we’ve allowed the next manager to have control to appoint members to the board, fire entire departments, bring a whole host of figures including Jennings who I’ve heard is next. Who let’s a new manager wield that kind of power? Like Joey and want him to do well, but if the high bar he’s set himself this season isn’t reached which lets be fair is a possibility considering our struggles in L2 in the past, it’ll all end up with tears. You may think its benevolent that Wael appears to be handling the debt situation but asked yourselves why did we rack up that amount of debt just to achieve 0 footballing success, no progress off the field and ultimately relegation in the first place? Even the beloved training ground is having issues, with planning having to be amended halfway through construction after the architects found that the building would not be fit for purpose for a football club. The result? A smallish building designed in the 1990s with a comically lack of windows, a small dingy shed for the gym, a couple of nice pitches and nothing much else. Will they be in for the start of next season? I encourage people to look at the training facilities of Oxford or Fleetwood, or MK Dons, to see how much of a downgrade this is to equivalent football clubs. Rovers fans lap it up due to the lack of progress thats ever been made off the field which is fair enough, but this development has not yet levelled the playing field to other modern football clubs around us, not by a long stretch. Then lets analyse his management of managers shall we? 3 managers have left with clouds over their heads amid rumours of friction with the board in GC, DC and PT. Does that smack of good management to you? The other manager BG got sacked after an atrocious record and the current manager JB, although I’m willing to give him time, has a pretty abysmal record too. Then there’s been fallings out with Ken Masters, fallings out with Steve Hamer, poor treatment of Mansell, embarrassing spat with the supporters club. Not exactly great headlines to accrue. I’m concerned about our future, genuinely concerned. It’s hard to say that but as the football club is close to my heart I’ve just got to speak out and say it. I’m concerned that Wael is rapidly running out funds and has bitten off more than he can chew, I’m concerned about the power we’ve randomly let one manager wield over the club, I’m concerned that an aging fan base and a run down stadium means trouble down the line too. So let me ask you this, say an alternative group of investors came forward, they had funds, reputable contacts in the game, genuine plans for improving the football club. Would this be a ripe opportunity for Wael to step aside? The man has the club at heart as he professes and I’ve not got many bad things to say about the man as a person, so I sincerely hope he considerers his future at the club long term and if the offer is right, steps a side and becomes one of us, a fan. at the same time as agreeing, the last bit makes you sound like you have some mates with an agenda tho Bang on This sort of stuff has bothered me for years. I honestly have no issues with genuine concern, accountability of our owners and dissenters. I believe that the shitstirrers who peddle a lot of the nonsense do far more damage to the club than the happy clippers. It's to the point now where I simply dont have any faith or trust in people peddling the sort of stuff in this thread and many others.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2021 17:37:07 GMT
Pl your argument against Mansell going was based on his old teammates tweets. Any evidence regarding his performance in his actual job? His ability to develop youth? Or we just going on references from teammates who experienced a great couple of years together? There seems to be quite a crop of talented youngsters coming through doesn’t there? Yet we let a club legend go and in the worst way possible. does there? How long was Manse in the job? How many would you say he had major input in? No time for semantics in football. Chelsea sack managers after a Champions league win.
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Post by harrystokegas on Jun 9, 2021 17:37:57 GMT
at the same time as agreeing, the last bit makes you sound like you have some mates with an agenda tho Bang on This sort of stuff has bothered me for years. I honestly have no issues with genuine concern, accountability of our owners and dissenters. I believe that the shitstirrers who peddle a lot of the nonsense do far more damage to the club than the happy clippers. It's to the point now where I simply dont have any faith or trust in people peddling the sort of stuff in this thread and many others. Ah then you should have no problems with my posts on this threads. I’m willing to look past your previous doubts and sarcasm too. Believe what you want but I’m no shitstrirrer. What does my opinion matter in the grand scheme of things?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2021 17:38:41 GMT
at the same time as agreeing, the last bit makes you sound like you have some mates with an agenda tho Bang on This sort of stuff has bothered me for years. I honestly have no issues with genuine concern, accountability of our owners and dissenters. I believe that the shitstirrers who peddle a lot of the nonsense do far more damage to the club than the happy clippers. It's to the point now where I simply dont have any faith or trust in people peddling the sort of stuff in this thread and many others. yeah been here too long with various accounts to be dragged in like when I was younger. It's does us no good that's for sure. At least there's passion behind us, misguided but passion none the less.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 9, 2021 17:39:17 GMT
As does Wael. See how easy that was? Ah a reasoned argument from you quite obviously. Care to show these mythical plans? From day one Wael piped up and said he’d secure us a new ground yet I’ve seen nothing since. Those are just the facts my dear friend. Higgs delivered nothing but deserves your respect. WAQ has improved the bars, the shop, the pitch, sponsorship income, a training ground and cleared the debt, yet doesnt deserve your respect?
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Post by harrystokegas on Jun 9, 2021 17:39:28 GMT
There seems to be quite a crop of talented youngsters coming through doesn’t there? Yet we let a club legend go and in the worst way possible. does there? How long was Manse in the job? How many would you say he had major input in? No time for semantics in football. Chelsea sack managers after a Champions league win. It’s this sacking culture that I don’t agree with. My uncle was a manager which is maybe what influences me but they need a fair crack at the whip. 5 managers over the last 3 seasons hasn’t got us anything. It’s pure mismanagement as I said in my OP, plain and simple.
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Post by pirate on Jun 9, 2021 17:40:33 GMT
Which can generate an income, unlike ours. Agreed it can't, but that was not an option on that site as far as I am aware. A football stadium elsewhere however? Yes. Maybe if we had identified a suitable site in the first place we could have had a similar top class facility to Fleetwood's and generated an income too, rather than going off previous rugby club plans and an ill conceived idea of trying to convert an old barn into a gym and a 1990's style rugby club house design into what is supposedly a "first class training facility".
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Post by harrystokegas on Jun 9, 2021 17:40:40 GMT
Ah a reasoned argument from you quite obviously. Care to show these mythical plans? From day one Wael piped up and said he’d secure us a new ground yet I’ve seen nothing since. Those are just the facts my dear friend. Higgs delivered nothing but deserves your respect. WAQ has improved the bars, the shop, the pitch, sponsorship income, a training ground and cleared the debt, yet doesnt deserve your respect? This may have been lost in the thread but I said there were a lot of things wrong with Higgs ownership of the club. However, on this singular issue he deserves my respect, absolutely.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 9, 2021 17:40:46 GMT
Bang on This sort of stuff has bothered me for years. I honestly have no issues with genuine concern, accountability of our owners and dissenters. I believe that the shitstirrers who peddle a lot of the nonsense do far more damage to the club than the happy clippers. It's to the point now where I simply dont have any faith or trust in people peddling the sort of stuff in this thread and many others. Ah then you should have no problems with my posts on this threads. I’m willing to look past your previous doubts and sarcasm too. Believe what you want but I’m no shitstrirrer. What does my opinion matter in the grand scheme of things? Neither of our opinions matter
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Post by mariobalotelli on Jun 9, 2021 17:41:26 GMT
does there? How long was Manse in the job? How many would you say he had major input in? No time for semantics in football. Chelsea sack managers after a Champions league win. It’s this sacking culture that I don’t agree with. My uncle was a manager which is maybe what influences me but they need a fair crack at the whip. 5 managers over the last 3 seasons hasn’t got us anything. It’s pure mismanagement as I said in my OP, plain and simple. Did Higgs not go through managers like a hot knife through butter?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 9, 2021 17:42:22 GMT
Bang on This sort of stuff has bothered me for years. I honestly have no issues with genuine concern, accountability of our owners and dissenters. I believe that the shitstirrers who peddle a lot of the nonsense do far more damage to the club than the happy clippers. It's to the point now where I simply dont have any faith or trust in people peddling the sort of stuff in this thread and many others. yeah been here too long with various accounts to be dragged in like when I was younger. It's does us no good that's for sure. At least there's passion behind us, misguided but passion none the less. Trouble is, we need both sides of the story to get the truth.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2021 17:42:29 GMT
This pressure and mugginess is getting everyone a bit irritable today isn't it lol
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Post by Big Jock on Jun 9, 2021 17:42:37 GMT
I have no axe ta grind with th OP, but in my opinion some of th old boys club are spinning their little tales again, an it’s sad, really sad 😔
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2021 17:42:58 GMT
does there? How long was Manse in the job? How many would you say he had major input in? No time for semantics in football. Chelsea sack managers after a Champions league win. It’s this sacking culture that I don’t agree with. My uncle was a manager which is maybe what influences me but they need a fair crack at the whip. 5 managers over the last 3 seasons hasn’t got us anything. It’s pure mismanagement as I said in my OP, plain and simple. You avoided the questions nicely. I doff my cap to thee fellow MP.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 9, 2021 17:43:14 GMT
Higgs delivered nothing but deserves your respect. WAQ has improved the bars, the shop, the pitch, sponsorship income, a training ground and cleared the debt, yet doesnt deserve your respect? This may have been lost in the thread but I said there were a lot of things wrong with Higgs ownership of the club. However, on this singular issue he deserves my respect, absolutely. But WAQ doesn't based on the things I listed? Seem fair to you?
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Post by alanrg on Jun 9, 2021 17:43:14 GMT
Wael has done a lot for this club and yet certain people on this forum question his wealth they haven’t got a clue
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Post by harrystokegas on Jun 9, 2021 17:43:43 GMT
Ah then you should have no problems with my posts on this threads. I’m willing to look past your previous doubts and sarcasm too. Believe what you want but I’m no shitstrirrer. What does my opinion matter in the grand scheme of things? Neither of our opinions matter Exactly with makes your claim that ‘shitstirrers’ damage the club invalid.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 9, 2021 17:44:04 GMT
I have no axe ta grind with th OP, but in my opinion some of th old boys club are spinning their little tales again, an it’s sad, really sad 😔 Hard not to agree with you Big man.
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Post by harrystokegas on Jun 9, 2021 17:44:46 GMT
It’s this sacking culture that I don’t agree with. My uncle was a manager which is maybe what influences me but they need a fair crack at the whip. 5 managers over the last 3 seasons hasn’t got us anything. It’s pure mismanagement as I said in my OP, plain and simple. Did Higgs not go through managers like a hot knife through butter? Again, I’ve put this before in the thread. I’m no fan of Higgs.
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Post by pirate on Jun 9, 2021 17:45:22 GMT
Wael has done a lot for this club and yet certain people on this forum question his wealth they haven’t got a clue Look at the family stand for example, some people are so ungrateful!
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