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Post by socrates on Aug 14, 2021 21:23:32 GMT
Not this week but we sold Ayunga to Morcombe a couple of weeks ago and he set up their winner midweek. How we could have done with him in the middle today, Saunders didn’t get in to the game at all. I see more potential in Ayunga then Saunders. First time I’ve seen Saunders and Its hard to really know what to say other than he wasn’t in the game at all.
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Post by gaschat on Aug 14, 2021 21:28:10 GMT
Don't know if his after match interview was worth listening to, but I can't take anymore of his drivel. It wasn’t and you are very wise
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Post by cj on Aug 14, 2021 21:32:19 GMT
Its tough at the moment but we need to be patient enough to wait for coutts,finlay,nicholson,collins,rodman and pitman to have played 3 games together. Then we will have a better perspective to how good the team actually is. Many non rovers football fans believe rovers have a very strong squad . However the question is will it all click into place. Waiting for those players to all play together may never happen because when some return from suspension/injury, others may get suspended/injured. That's football of course and all clubs have to deal with that issue. It is the managers job though to get the best from the squad that he has available. Simply put, JB wasn't able to get the best from the squad he inherited last season and so far not been able to do it with the squad he has formed at the moment. Why is this the case? We all may have a different opinion to answer that question. Mine is that I don't think JB is a good manager. His managerial record so far with us makes him our worse manager ever. Yeah there may be circumstances that affects this to be the case but like I said, it is the managers job to get the best from the squad available and he has failed time and time again since his arrival. People said give him 10 games. Then people said give him to xmas to allow players to gel and return to match fitness. I get those opinions. I really do. But as I have the opinion that he is not a good manager, we won't improve and therefore we are just wasting games, wasting time and wasting money. While division among the fans are getting bigger and fast becoming toxic.
Regarding your last sentence, on paper we do have a good squad but desperately need more players. But to answer that question at the end, it will only click into place when we have a manager capable to getting the best out of these players.
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Post by socrates on Aug 14, 2021 21:46:04 GMT
Its tough at the moment but we need to be patient enough to wait for coutts,finlay,nicholson,collins,rodman and pitman to have played 3 games together. Then we will have a better perspective to how good the team actually is. Many non rovers football fans believe rovers have a very strong squad . However the question is will it all click into place. Waiting for those players to all play together may never happen because when some return from suspension/injury, others may get suspended/injured. That's football of course and all clubs have to deal with that issue. It is the managers job though to get the best from the squad that he has available. Simply put, JB wasn't able to get the best from the squad he inherited last season and so far not been able to do it with the squad he has formed at the moment. Why is this the case? We all may have a different opinion to answer that question. Mine is that I don't think JB is a good manager. His managerial record so far with us makes him our worse manager ever. Yeah there may be circumstances that affects this to be the case but like I said, it is the managers job to get the best from the squad available and he has failed time and time again since his arrival. People said give him 10 games. Then people said give him to xmas to allow players to gel and return to match fitness. I get those opinions. I really do. But as I have the opinion that he is not a good manager, we won't improve and therefore we are just wasting games, wasting time and wasting money. While division among the fans are getting bigger and fast becoming toxic.
Regarding your last sentence, on paper we do have a good squad but desperately need more players. But to answer that question at the end, it will only click into place when we have a manager capable to getting the best out of these players.
Agree with all of this . On paper we probably had a better side than Stevenage today but they all knew what their jobs were , they looked like they had gelled pre season , they weren’t technically great obviously but they were sharp their movement was good especially on the counter , often on the counter the ball through was typical league 2 terrible but they had players running fast in to space and they had others running different ways in to space so if the player running on to the ball got it they were in space ready to receive it. It’s basic will to win combined with movement and tempo something every team at every level should be able to produce regardless of ability and Stevenage had that today. When we looked to attack quite often our player needed so long on the ball that he was crowded out, other times they had time but nobody had the energy or commitment or neither to find space to receive a pass. So many times we passed it awkwardly across our defence before hoofing it aimlessly it was atrocious to watch it hurts me to say. I wasn’t at Mansfield and didn’t watch on I follow but some have said that today was better ? Well I watched 40 games last least on I follow and that today was as bad as our worst performances last season so the Mansfield game must have been atrocious.
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Post by biggles on Aug 14, 2021 21:53:19 GMT
joey stop beating yourself up after todays performance you will get it right its not a sprint its a marathon or is it a snickers! time will tell
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Post by cj on Aug 14, 2021 21:56:34 GMT
Is it possible to discuss the game without calling for the manager's head every week? It shouldn't be any real surprise that there are calls. Any manager who has stats like this: managed 21 games, won 3, drew 2 and lost 16, scoring 14 and conceded 30 and not won in the last 10 games while getting new club records of 8 defeats in a row and not scored a home goal in 484 minutes and during this time taking a team 19th in L1 down to 23rd in L2...... will get calls from fans for their head, especially when there are actually no signs of improvement. Calls for any managers head with those stats is extremely understandable. Then add on top of this the fact that the manager bemoaned the lack of striker options when he came to the club but has failed to rectify this problem.
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Post by wertongas on Aug 14, 2021 22:02:43 GMT
I thought our supporters were superb today, just a shame most of the players didn't show the same passion, game was pretty even until Finley was taken off then Stevanage took charge. Get the feeling that some of the players have lost their respect for Barton, the only time we have played with any passion this season was the Oxford friendly when Clint Hill was in charge, he will be a big loss and would have been a natural replacement for Barton if he was to get the sack.
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Post by cj on Aug 14, 2021 22:04:53 GMT
7,077 according to the PA announcement. That’s a really disappointing turnout for the first home league game in 18 months to be honest. I was shocked that the Cheltenham game was such a low attendance being the 1st home game for fans to attend and a bit of a derby game. I presumed it was low maybe because people were saving themselves for today. So I was expecting more today than 7k. Maybe some people are not chancing it due to worrying about covid. Maybe some are refusing to go until JB is gone (those threats have been made by some on here). Maybe due to the last 18 months or so that finances for some are not allowing people to go. Maybe other reasons too of course. Then again, 7k is more than what we usually average throughout the season. I just thought there would be more today.
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Post by warehamgas on Aug 14, 2021 22:19:59 GMT
Whoever injured Pitman in training deserves a swift kick in the clangers …. For Tuesday i would put Anderton to Left Back - Grant into CB Finley looks a good addition and with Coutts alongside him in a few weeks time we will have a solid base. We need a Striker in asap … That has to be priority surely now and should have been for a month or so.Lionheart it was the priority all of last season and this, not just the last month. Coming to the end of the 3rd window since JCH left and still only Pitman in as a striker. UTG!
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Post by socrates on Aug 14, 2021 22:23:54 GMT
Is it possible to discuss the game without calling for the manager's head every week? It shouldn't be any real surprise that there are calls. Any manager who has stats like this: managed 21 games, won 3, drew 2 and lost 16, scoring 14 and conceded 30 and not won in the last 10 games while getting new club records of 8 defeats in a row and not scored a home goal in 484 minutes and during this time taking a team 19th in L1 down to 23rd in L2...... will get calls from fans for their head, especially when there are actually no signs of improvement. Calls for any managers head with those stats is extremely understandable. Then add on top of this the fact that the manager bemoaned the lack of striker options when he came to the club but has failed to rectify this problem. All very valid points. I don’t want him sacked I want him to get us winning. Having three different managers last season f**ked us up big time.
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Post by 84gas on Aug 14, 2021 22:28:38 GMT
JB needs to move into politics, as he is talking a very good game but not delivering. I’m not sure how he has the guile to guarantee promotion in every interview too.
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Post by cj on Aug 14, 2021 23:08:43 GMT
It shouldn't be any real surprise that there are calls. Any manager who has stats like this: managed 21 games, won 3, drew 2 and lost 16, scoring 14 and conceded 30 and not won in the last 10 games while getting new club records of 8 defeats in a row and not scored a home goal in 484 minutes and during this time taking a team 19th in L1 down to 23rd in L2...... will get calls from fans for their head, especially when there are actually no signs of improvement. Calls for any managers head with those stats is extremely understandable. Then add on top of this the fact that the manager bemoaned the lack of striker options when he came to the club but has failed to rectify this problem. All very valid points. I don’t want him sacked I want him to get us winning. Having three different managers last season f**ked us up big time. I do want him gone and I appreciate that will cost a bit and its easy for me to say so as its Wael's money not mine. His record is not good enough and we need to act now. BUT although I have said it enough times before (so it is no secret) that I dislike the guy and I don't support him as our manager, I support Rovers more than my dislike for him. Meaning, I don't want Rovers to lose in order to remove JB sooner and for me to be proved right. I actually want and beg JB to prove me wrong meaning Rovers will be doing well.
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Post by socrates on Aug 14, 2021 23:16:19 GMT
All very valid points. I don’t want him sacked I want him to get us winning. Having three different managers last season f**ked us up big time. I do want him gone and I appreciate that will cost a bit and its easy for me to say so as its Wael's money not mine. His record is not good enough and we need to act now. BUT although I have said it enough times before (so it is no secret) that I dislike the guy and I don't support him as our manager, I support Rovers more than my dislike for him. Meaning, I don't want Rovers to lose in order to remove JB sooner and for me to be proved right. I actually want and beg JB to prove me wrong meaning Rovers will be doing well. He needs wins fast after losing his first three games I think everybody is agreed on that. Things can change quickly in football. I don’t see the point in sacking him after 2 league games. If we lose our next two then we’ll be bottom with 0 points from a possible 12. If we play well and win Tuesday night suddenly everything will be looking more positive. It’s very early days, I personally can’t see him turning it around he just doesn’t fill me with confidence at all but if we’re mid table a week from now with 6 points from 4 games I’d be delighted to be proved wrong. I want him to succeed because if he doesn’t it’s bye bye any chance of promotion and hello we might go down again.
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Post by stevek192 on Aug 14, 2021 23:35:29 GMT
So cj you give the Manager full control of bringing in 13 new players and then you judge him after 3 games.That is RIDICULOUS. If you really want him to be successful then you would be willing to at least give him 10-15 games. Personally I have seen nothing so far to make me think Saunders will be an improvement on Ayunga playing the way we are. If we havent got a targetman then IMO you play a pressurising game by pushing three attacking players up on the opponents and compress the play. How many more games are we going to see the opposing centre half be the best player on the park because he has no pressure marking Saunders. Stevenage were pretty awful but was it really surprising they took control of the last 15 minutes with a midfield that pretty well comprised of the useless Hargreaves and Grant who has no offensive skills. I wait in hope that returning players will see a more progressive attacking play from better players. If we dont give the Manager time we will never know if he can be successful with this team-his team.
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Post by olskooltoteender on Aug 14, 2021 23:43:15 GMT
It never fails to annoy me when people (not just Barton) try to use 'turning the Titanic' as an analogy for a hard task ahead. The Titanic ended in total disaster. It never got turned, it sank and became the most famous sinking ship in history. He actually says “Turn the tide around” . . .
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Post by singupgas on Aug 15, 2021 7:00:21 GMT
Was it just me or have we have we now got the nastier Ginster pasties on sale, the sort you buy in the supermarket and microwave.
Sure they aren't the same as last time I was at the Mem.
No doubt the Piglet Sausage Rolls are gone too.
Seems like quality is slipping all over the place.
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Post by LJG on Aug 15, 2021 7:11:39 GMT
joey stop beating yourself up after todays performance you will get it right its not a sprint its a marathon or is it a snickers! time will tell It's not beating himself up that's been the problem ...
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Post by LJG on Aug 15, 2021 7:13:19 GMT
So cj you give the Manager full control of bringing in 13 new players and then you judge him after 3 games.That is RIDICULOUS. If you really want him to be successful then you would be willing to at least give him 10-15 games. Personally I have seen nothing so far to make me think Saunders will be an improvement on Ayunga playing the way we are. If we havent got a targetman then IMO you play a pressurising game by pushing three attacking players up on the opponents and compress the play. How many more games are we going to see the opposing centre half be the best player on the park because he has no pressure marking Saunders. Stevenage were pretty awful but was it really surprising they took control of the last 15 minutes with a midfield that pretty well comprised of the useless Hargreaves and Grant who has no offensive skills. I wait in hope that returning players will see a more progressive attacking play from better players. If we dont give the Manager time we will never know if he can be successful with this team-his team. Luca Hoole played a blinder yesterday wouldn't you say, Steve? (As if I don't already know the answer to that).
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Post by falsenumber9 on Aug 15, 2021 8:01:29 GMT
JB needs to move into politics, as he is talking a very good game but not delivering. I’m not sure how he has the guile to guarantee promotion in every interview too. It's embarrassing and disrespectful to L2. Much like his disrespectful comments about Lincoln and Stevenage. Screams of over promising in a desperate attempt to get doubters on side.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 15, 2021 8:06:01 GMT
So cj you give the Manager full control of bringing in 13 new players and then you judge him after 3 games.That is RIDICULOUS. If you really want him to be successful then you would be willing to at least give him 10-15 games. Personally I have seen nothing so far to make me think Saunders will be an improvement on Ayunga playing the way we are. If we havent got a targetman then IMO you play a pressurising game by pushing three attacking players up on the opponents and compress the play. How many more games are we going to see the opposing centre half be the best player on the park because he has no pressure marking Saunders. Stevenage were pretty awful but was it really surprising they took control of the last 15 minutes with a midfield that pretty well comprised of the useless Hargreaves and Grant who has no offensive skills. I wait in hope that returning players will see a more progressive attacking play from better players. If we dont give the Manager time we will never know if he can be successful with this team-his team. Luca Hoole played a blinder yesterday wouldn't you say, Steve? (As if I don't already know the answer to that). That's a concern in itself as why's an ex Academy player our best player in each of our first two league games, as JB signed a load of poor players or is Hoole the only one putting in any real effort. Although it's annoying he made no attempt to clear the corner and so give Lines his chance. Steve starts his post by saying that you can't judge a manager after just 3 games then spends the rest of the post slagging off JB's tactics!
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