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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 19, 2021 7:32:50 GMT
In fairness orient didnt actually create a lot. The game swung on a few incidents that worked for one team not the other. If the o's had loads of chances and felt shortchanged at scoring only three thats one thing but really they were fortunate to score three goals. They certainly didnt play any better football than Crawley for example. The lesson they could take from today was to learn to cheat better. Orient were far superior at that. What did LO cheat at? LO were a very well drilled team with a cracking spine of players that kept it simple and could pass their way out of trouble. Omar Beckles, Darren Pratley, Craig Clay, Theo Archibald, Harry Smith all very good solid players at this level that mopped up, fought and clinically finished the chances they got. They were fully of energy and communicated with each other all game. You don’t expect an away team to dominate but I thought they had us in their pockets from minute one. Beckles won everything at the back. Clay won everything in the middle and the forward men know where the goal is. They also had a style of play and a philosophy. Something we don’t have. Disagree if you want but that's is why they are 2nd and we are 22nd. Beckles was a decent L1 player last season, Orient must be paying him a L1 salary as surely he have had offers from other L1 sides this summer? Likewise Jacket must be on a decent wage as he's another who would easily get another job with a L1 side.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 19, 2021 7:34:35 GMT
What did LO cheat at? LO were a very well drilled team with a cracking spine of players that kept it simple and could pass their way out of trouble. Omar Beckles, Darren Pratley, Craig Clay, Theo Archibald, Harry Smith all very good solid players at this level that mopped up, fought and clinically finished the chances they got. They were fully of energy and communicated with each other all game. You don’t expect an away team to dominate but I thought they had us in their pockets from minute one. Beckles won everything at the back. Clay won everything in the middle and the forward men know where the goal is. They also had a style of play and a philosophy. Something we don’t have. Disagree if you want but that's is why they are 2nd and we are 22nd. Beckles was a decent L1 player last season, Orient must be paying him a L1 salary as surely he have had offers from other L1 sides this summer? Likewise Jacket must be on a decent wage as he's another who would easily get another job with a L1 side. Barton himself said we had a competitive budget so shouldn't be any issues on that score. I'm sure we've got bigger budgets than the likes of Hartlepool who we lost against last week.
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Post by RD on Sept 19, 2021 7:52:31 GMT
What did LO cheat at? LO were a very well drilled team with a cracking spine of players that kept it simple and could pass their way out of trouble. Omar Beckles, Darren Pratley, Craig Clay, Theo Archibald, Harry Smith all very good solid players at this level that mopped up, fought and clinically finished the chances they got. They were fully of energy and communicated with each other all game. You don’t expect an away team to dominate but I thought they had us in their pockets from minute one. Beckles won everything at the back. Clay won everything in the middle and the forward men know where the goal is. They also had a style of play and a philosophy. Something we don’t have. Disagree if you want but that's is why they are 2nd and we are 22nd. Beckles was a decent L1 player last season, Orient must be paying him a L1 salary as surely he have had offers from other L1 sides this summer? Likewise Jacket must be on a decent wage as he's another who would easily get another job with a L1 side. If you're going to bring managers in to it, then how much do you think Barton is on? Given he's by his own admission one of the greatest managers on the planet.
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Post by scottleroc on Sept 19, 2021 8:47:54 GMT
Did anyone else listen to what KB said at half time. Orient had the subs out with the staff doing drills. We had our subs out aimlessly kicking the ball about with zero staff for support/input. This is indicative of how disjointed the set up is IMO It’s almost negligent
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Post by scottleroc on Sept 19, 2021 8:50:19 GMT
Did anyone else listen to what KB said at half time. Orient had the subs out with the staff doing drills. We had our subs out aimlessly kicking the ball about with zero staff for support/input. This is indicative of how disjointed the set up is IMO It’s almost negligent Someone beat me to it….!😬
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 19, 2021 9:00:52 GMT
Beckles was a decent L1 player last season, Orient must be paying him a L1 salary as surely he have had offers from other L1 sides this summer? Likewise Jacket must be on a decent wage as he's another who would easily get another job with a L1 side. Barton himself said we had a competitive budget so shouldn't be any issues on that score. I'm sure we've got bigger budgets than the likes of Hartlepool who we lost against last week. At least we competed with Hartlepool, Orient seemed in a different league, perhaps the £8m+ they somehow raised from PE firms in the summer is subsidising their playing budget.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Sept 19, 2021 9:14:28 GMT
What did LO cheat at? LO were a very well drilled team with a cracking spine of players that kept it simple and could pass their way out of trouble. Omar Beckles, Darren Pratley, Craig Clay, Theo Archibald, Harry Smith all very good solid players at this level that mopped up, fought and clinically finished the chances they got. They were fully of energy and communicated with each other all game. You don’t expect an away team to dominate but I thought they had us in their pockets from minute one. Beckles won everything at the back. Clay won everything in the middle and the forward men know where the goal is. They also had a style of play and a philosophy. Something we don’t have. Disagree if you want but that's is why they are 2nd and we are 22nd. Beckles was a decent L1 player last season, Orient must be paying him a L1 salary as surely he have had offers from other L1 sides this summer? Likewise Jacket must be on a decent wage as he's another who would easily get another job with a L1 side. I'm not sure that's true he had other L1 offers, it appears OB turned down Crewe extension to make a move back to his family area of London. Ehmer scored yesterday, (haha!)....wyhhb!?
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Post by totterdownexile on Sept 19, 2021 9:41:47 GMT
Orient fan in peace. Despite Barton having had plenty of time to organise his squad you're woefully short up front and this means that your defence is having to work harder than they should. Rovers get pretty gates for L2 so I would imagine that your budgets very competitive. Us O's fans know from bitter experience that a big budget spent badly can sink you at this level. The O's are well organised and everyone knows what their job is. Rovers under Barton are a shambles. It's difficult to escape the feeling that things are unravelling fast behind the scenes at Rovers. I fear that unless you get rid of Narton then you're in very serious trouble. I hope your season turns around but unless you get shot of Barton I don't think it will.
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Post by playtowin on Sept 19, 2021 9:42:51 GMT
In fairness orient didnt actually create a lot. The game swung on a few incidents that worked for one team not the other. If the o's had loads of chances and felt shortchanged at scoring only three thats one thing but really they were fortunate to score three goals. They certainly didnt play any better football than Crawley for example. The lesson they could take from today was to learn to cheat better. Orient were far superior at that. What did LO cheat at? LO were a very well drilled team with a cracking spine of players that kept it simple and could pass their way out of trouble. Omar Beckles, Darren Pratley, Craig Clay, Theo Archibald, Harry Smith all very good solid players at this level that mopped up, fought and clinically finished the chances they got. They were fully of energy and communicated with each other all game. You don’t expect an away team to dominate but I thought they had us in their pockets from minute one. Beckles won everything at the back. Clay won everything in the middle and the forward men know where the goal is. They also had a style of play and a philosophy. Something we don’t have. Disagree if you want but that's is why they are 2nd and we are 22nd. Ive argued elsewhere in the past that possession % counts for nothing its the shots on target/goal ratio that matters. Rovers had 59% possession. Orient had 3 shots on target. Rovers had 1 shot on target. So actually both teams were very effective at scoring. Rovers just need to shoot on target more ! You must have missed Archibald use the ball to erase the refs spray line and move where the freekick was taken by a few feet. The flag waver noticed and told him to move the ball back. He moved it one inch back. To me thats absolute cheating and should have got a yellow card for unsporting behaviour. What made it worse is he wasnt picked up from the freekick the ball came out to him and he scored. Who says cheats dont prosper. Vile player.
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Post by oldie on Sept 19, 2021 9:45:15 GMT
What did LO cheat at? LO were a very well drilled team with a cracking spine of players that kept it simple and could pass their way out of trouble. Omar Beckles, Darren Pratley, Craig Clay, Theo Archibald, Harry Smith all very good solid players at this level that mopped up, fought and clinically finished the chances they got. They were fully of energy and communicated with each other all game. You don’t expect an away team to dominate but I thought they had us in their pockets from minute one. Beckles won everything at the back. Clay won everything in the middle and the forward men know where the goal is. They also had a style of play and a philosophy. Something we don’t have. Disagree if you want but that's is why they are 2nd and we are 22nd. Ive argued elsewhere in the past that possession % counts for nothing its the shots on target/goal ratio that matters. Rovers had 59% possession. Orient had 3 shots on target. Rovers had 1 shot on target. So actually both teams were very effective at scoring. Rovers just need to shoot on target more ! You must have missed Archibald use the ball to erase the refs spray line and move where the freekick was taken by a few feet. The flag waver noticed and told him to move the ball back. He moved it one inch back. To me thats absolute cheating and should have got a yellow card for unsporting behaviour. What made it worse is he wasnt picked up from the freekick the ball came out to him and he scored. Who says cheats dont prosper. Vile player. Are you counting the penalty as a shot on target?
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 19, 2021 9:48:02 GMT
Orient fan in peace. Despite Barton having had plenty of time to organise his squad you're woefully short up front and this means that your defence is having to work harder than they should. Rovers get pretty gates for L2 so I would imagine that your budgets very competitive. Us O's fans know from bitter experience that a big budget spent badly can sink you at this level. The O's are well organised and everyone knows what their job is. Rovers under Barton are a shambles. It's difficult to escape the feeling that things are unravelling fast behind the scenes at Rovers. I fear that unless you get rid of Narton then you're in very serious trouble. I hope your season turns around but unless you get shot of Barton I don't think it will. Looking at the goals, the first was due to Anderton losing Smith, the second was a decent shot, the third due to a poor pass out of defence, not sure any of those were down to poor organisation rather than individual defensive errors. Unless JB can miracle up a striker there's not much he can do about Clarke and Nicholson now being out injured. That will also apply to any new incoming manager.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2021 9:49:21 GMT
Orient fan in peace. Despite Barton having had plenty of time to organise his squad you're woefully short up front and this means that your defence is having to work harder than they should. Rovers get pretty gates for L2 so I would imagine that your budgets very competitive. Us O's fans know from bitter experience that a big budget spent badly can sink you at this level. The O's are well organised and everyone knows what their job is. Rovers under Barton are a shambles. It's difficult to escape the feeling that things are unravelling fast behind the scenes at Rovers. I fear that unless you get rid of Narton then you're in very serious trouble. I hope your season turns around but unless you get shot of Barton I don't think it will. Looking at the goals, the first was due to Anderton losing Smith, the second was a decent shot, the third due to a poor pass out of defence, not sure any of those were down to poor organisation rather than individual defensive errors. Unless JB can miracle up a striker there's not much he can do about Clarke and Nicholson now being out injured. That will also apply to any new incoming manager. Perhaps a new manager can coach the basics like picking up a centre forward at a corner and clearing the ball correctly.
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Post by playtowin on Sept 19, 2021 9:52:59 GMT
In fairness orient didnt actually create a lot. The game swung on a few incidents that worked for one team not the other. If the o's had loads of chances and felt shortchanged at scoring only three thats one thing but really they were fortunate to score three goals. They certainly didnt play any better football than Crawley for example. The lesson they could take from today was to learn to cheat better. Orient were far superior at that. I disagree. The lesson to take away from today (yesterday) is that if you put the ball in the back of the net 3 times, you are very likely to take the 3 points. We didn't create anything, the penalty was pretty soft. It's not just about losing, it's also about seeing what he is trying to do. There is no plan a,b or c. It's very saddening. There is rarely anything other than a plan a at most teams. The rest is bodged in a game. Francis had a plan a and b. Plan a ,hit the ball in the air towards devon white. He wins the ball and the team react to the outcome. Plan b ,hit the ball in the air to devon white. He doesnt win the ball and the team react to the outcome. Thats obviously a joke , however thats how opposition teams/fans viewed rovers at the time. What are multiple plans ? Changing formation ? 3 at the back or four ? 1,2 or 3 upfront ? Different players on the pitch ? Seems those things have been tried many times.
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Post by playtowin on Sept 19, 2021 9:56:50 GMT
Ive argued elsewhere in the past that possession % counts for nothing its the shots on target/goal ratio that matters. Rovers had 59% possession. Orient had 3 shots on target. Rovers had 1 shot on target. So actually both teams were very effective at scoring. Rovers just need to shoot on target more ! You must have missed Archibald use the ball to erase the refs spray line and move where the freekick was taken by a few feet. The flag waver noticed and told him to move the ball back. He moved it one inch back. To me thats absolute cheating and should have got a yellow card for unsporting behaviour. What made it worse is he wasnt picked up from the freekick the ball came out to him and he scored. Who says cheats dont prosper. Vile player. Are you counting the penalty as a shot on target? Yes. Plenty of players miss the target from pens. Remember Grimsby.... Mansells shot on target was pretty important as was jon-paul Pittmans off target penalty.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Sept 19, 2021 10:00:12 GMT
No *actual name removed for privacy*, Keith Brookman. We all have user names on this forum, you seem to have some sort of obsession with putting actual names in the public domain. Very similar behaviour to a poster I encountered on Gas Guzzler. I think that it should be left to individuals if they wish to make their own name known on the forum - you are acting against the accepted etiquette which people expect when registering to post on here.
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Post by oldie on Sept 19, 2021 10:15:37 GMT
Are you counting the penalty as a shot on target? Yes. Plenty of players miss the target from pens. Remember Grimsby.... Mansells shot on target was pretty important as was jon-paul Pittmans off target penalty. I thought so. We may disagree or not, but honestly, what sort of team performance is it that cannot muster a single shot, on target, in 90 minutes of open play. At home. You cannot possibly draw a single positive out of that.
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Post by pirate on Sept 19, 2021 10:21:25 GMT
Yes. Plenty of players miss the target from pens. Remember Grimsby.... Mansells shot on target was pretty important as was jon-paul Pittmans off target penalty. I thought so. We may disagree or not, but honestly, what sort of team performance is it that cannot muster a single shot, on target, in 90 minutes of open play. At home. You cannot possibly draw a single positive out of that. Not the first time under Barton either. All season (and pre-season) we have struggled to create and get shots on target.
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Post by oldie on Sept 19, 2021 10:27:33 GMT
I thought so. We may disagree or not, but honestly, what sort of team performance is it that cannot muster a single shot, on target, in 90 minutes of open play. At home. You cannot possibly draw a single positive out of that. Not the first time under Barton either. All season (and pre-season) we have struggled to create and get shots on target. Exactly Pirate. I cannot, for the life of me, understand how anyone can defend Barton's record. Both in recruitment, tactics and formations. It looks shambolic. Then you know he is fully delusional when he says "we won the 2nd half"!!! As if not conceding any more was a measure of success. There has to be something wrong with him.
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Post by bluestone on Sept 19, 2021 10:31:42 GMT
Orient fan in peace. Despite Barton having had plenty of time to organise his squad you're woefully short up front and this means that your defence is having to work harder than they should. Rovers get pretty gates for L2 so I would imagine that your budgets very competitive. Us O's fans know from bitter experience that a big budget spent badly can sink you at this level. The O's are well organised and everyone knows what their job is. Rovers under Barton are a shambles. It's difficult to escape the feeling that things are unravelling fast behind the scenes at Rovers. I fear that unless you get rid of Narton then you're in very serious trouble. I hope your season turns around but unless you get shot of Barton I don't think it will. Looking at the goals, the first was due to Anderton losing Smith, the second was a decent shot, the third due to a poor pass out of defence, not sure any of those were down to poor organisation rather than individual defensive errors. Unless JB can miracle up a striker there's not much he can do about Clarke and Nicholson now being out injured. That will also apply to any new incoming manager. Come on now, let's not pretend that yesterday's abysmal display was only down to Clarke and Nicholson being absent. We've been atrocious under JB full stop and it doesn't seem to matter what players he has at his disposal he can't get them to perform as a team. We we're very lucky to get 3 points against Crawley, that result was purely down to Belshaw playing a blinder.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2021 11:23:01 GMT
No *actual name removed for privacy*, Keith Brookman. We all have user names on this forum, you seem to have some sort of obsession with putting actual names in the public domain. Very similar behaviour to a poster I encountered on Gas Guzzler. I think that it should be left to individuals if they wish to make their own name known on the forum - you are acting against the accepted etiquette which people expect when registering to post on here. Sorry Mum. Jesus.
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