pirate
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Post by pirate on Sept 20, 2021 15:29:56 GMT
Get rid of the him and who ever we get will not be as bad, and this time a man and act as one. Give the job to Chris Hargreaves for a few months to see how he gets on and if he does well then take it from there. If nothing improves then we have some time to consider our options and then relevant appointments that need to be made and January to make adjustments to the squad. fcbusiness.co.uk/news/development-winning-finding-balance-chris-hargreaves/ |
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Post by bobbyjones on Sept 20, 2021 15:47:33 GMT
Nobody can possibly do worse or can they? I do not think so get rid now before its to late. Bye Bye Joey and I am being polite there.
Could of said f**k off.
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Sept 20, 2021 16:02:02 GMT
I was pro Barton but he is losing my support - One more game for me and that is only because I am so fed up with change at this club which is partially to blame for the situation we are in. I hope something happens and things change but I am very worried
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 20, 2021 16:02:43 GMT
I was pro Barton but he is losing my support - One more game for me and that is only because I am so fed up with change at this club which is partially due to the situation we are in. I hope something happens and things change but I am very worried Exactly the same as you mate. |
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Post by aghast on Sept 20, 2021 20:59:32 GMT
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Post by rainhamgas on Sept 20, 2021 21:23:29 GMT
Good read……don’t disagree with a word of it! |
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Post by RD on Sept 20, 2021 21:24:07 GMT
Utterly, utterly exceptional piece. How anybody could support Barton after reading this is beyond comprehension. |
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Post by barumgas on Sept 20, 2021 21:51:18 GMT
That article reflects oh so well how I and most of the fan base feel. I only hope the board read and act to implement change |
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Post by cj on Sept 20, 2021 22:21:20 GMT
"Joey Barton has often hindered our progress through his mismanagement of the team. He has changed formation frequently, played square pegs in round holes and hasn’t selected a consistent starting XI. All of these things prevent cohesion and that in turn prevents us from making any progress in the league. We have the players to succeed – on paper, our team is one of the best in the league. But we thought the same last year right? I still think though that a team with Nicholson, Collins, Thomas, Finley, Taylor, Belshaw/Jaakkola and the rest of the experience we have should be more than good enough. So that brings the manager further into the spotlight if he can’t get them working together."
It's what I've been saying for a very long time. Can anyone really deny any of the above?
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Post by cj on Sept 20, 2021 22:27:17 GMT
"The Rovers manager was delusional in his words after the match. I sat in disbelief as he started the presser by claiming that there wasn’t that much in it on Saturday. Was he watching a different game? We were 3-0 down at half time, gifting the opposition their offensive position and made mistake after mistake.
His comments sparked laughter and fury in equal measure and he grew similar responses again when he tried to turn a horror show into a positive, pointing out we won the second half. We lost the game and he should have been less bullish in his remarks, which was further evident when he repeated his promotion rhetoric. He surely has to regret claiming he’ll get us promoted this season when all that is between us and non-league are Scunthorpe and Oldham.
The same interview fuelled my own fears that he doesn’t know what he’s doing. He recruited his own group of players, which would of course take time to settle in, but he claimed he still doesn’t know his best team. How can you not have an idea of your best players when you signed them all? The manager usually knows best, but the qualities of individuals are so obvious and yet he seems not to know who works best in what position."
Someone quick, buy this man a drink! All brilliantly put.
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Post by titchthephot on Sept 21, 2021 6:02:37 GMT
Are there still people on here who think Barton is right for the club? I would love to hear what you have to say! Benji Dean article so spot on it is actually depressing. Barton is killing our club and is still in denial. If the man had one ounce of decency he would resign but as we all knew from long before we employed him that this evil thug of a 'man' doesn't have a shred of honesty and reality. I remember the Pro Barton lot going on about how 'passionate' he was. The only thing Barton is passionate about is....Barton. He doesn't give a damn about anyone or anything else. I really hope that the shambles he has created at the Mem will make him unemployable so that no other team will have to suffer him like we have. HE HAS TO GO NOW!! Absolutely anyone who replaces him will be an improvement!
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Post by Kipper on Sept 21, 2021 7:13:00 GMT
I still think Al Quadi is totally inept at running a football club. Although the man has bailed out the club financially, we are just going round in circles. It is a job knowing where to begin sorting the mess out. God knows who Al Quadi will bring in to replace Joey Barton. Probably another disaster! I have no faith in anyone running the club. UTG.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Sept 21, 2021 8:44:41 GMT
I would love to know more about all this "behind the scenes" stuff. The "rot" etc. I would also love to see a structure chart with high level job roles, so I can better understand our setup. Wael brought this Chris Gibson MBE in (through Joey I think) and it would be great to hear more about what was there before, the plan to update our structure and where we are on that journey. For all I know it could be an awful 'behind the scenes' environment that is having an impact on the players - does that really happen?
Onto Joey Barton - I was optimistic and a fan of the sort of team he put together at Fleetwood. I was also really pleased that he brought in Martinez and Walker last season however this season is just plain weird though. I said in my Q&A to Frosty yesterday, from the stats and the eye test when Barton came in, he pretty much halved the chances our opponents created with the system he was playing with the player s we had on the books and it was just individual error after error and non lethal strikers that was costing us. This season the system just has not got going, we are letting up more chances than ever with individual errors and an unfit or ineffective strike force (with the system we are playing)
On paper, we have talent in the squad, on paper we have grit and determination, on paper we have a wealth of experience from a group that have all experienced winning. I just don't get what's happening with them on the pitch. I don't see improvements week in week out nor a settled team and I would have thought 8-10 games of football in, that we might have.
Looks like we have yet more injuries or players that are playing through the pain (Grant. Oh and did you see his no look pass...) back to the point...I just don't see how we are going to settle right now. I though I would have a go at putting my team out on paper... it was really hard, took ages. Not sure why as the squad is pretty stacked.
I think Saturday is a must win, and if it's a draw I wanna see endless pressing and some really decent chances created. Assuming that the list of players injured doesn't change I think I would go for...
Belshaw
Brown - LB
Taylor - CB
Kilgour - CB
Grant - RB
Finley - DM
Coutts - DM
Thomas - LM
Anderson - RM
Collins - SS
Pitman - CF
4-2-2-2 / 4-4-1-1 / 4-5-1 depending on the phases of play
If Hoole is available Grant to DM alongside Finley and Hoole into RB - Coutts to bench.
Saunders could also be used instead of any of those attackers.
Harries might be a better option if we plan on longer balls into the channel, but I want to see simple football - pass and move.
Think despite his fitness/injuries, Pitman is the more like to hit the back of the net.
Just got to play simple football and avoid too many long balls down the middle imo.
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Post by woolavingtonpirate on Sept 21, 2021 9:29:34 GMT
It's so blindingly obvious until we get a big physical presence to lead the forward line we will struggle no matter who is in charge. This type of player can mask the shortcomings of a team, or until a team can gel. We might actually be a good team but until we can get that type of player in the side we will struggle. Not being able to get that type of player in, will be the reason JB will fail.
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Post by seanclevedongas on Sept 21, 2021 9:35:28 GMT
It's so blindingly obvious until we get a big physical presence to lead the forward line we will struggle no matter who is in charge. This type of player can mask the shortcomings of a team, or until a team can gel. We might actually be a good team but until we can get that type of player in the side we will struggle. Not being able to get that type of player in, will be the reason JB will fail. We had one of those at the start of the transfer window in Ayunga |
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Post by garystash on Sept 21, 2021 9:44:13 GMT
I have thought for a while that people are taking the p!55 out of Wael. We have someone at the helm with funds to invest in the club, but sadly it appears he is not a strong leader.
The tone of an environment is set from the top and Wael needs to start demanding more.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Sept 21, 2021 10:19:03 GMT
I have thought for a while that people are taking the p!55 out of Wael. We have someone at the helm with funds to invest in the club, but sadly it appears he is not a strong leader. The tone of an environment is set from the top and Wael needs to start demanding more. I can't help thinking you might be right. I get the vibe of a hapless divine right style 17th century monarch beset by intrigue and treachery, where the current court favourite is trying to entrench himself at the palace by getting rid of all his rivals and filling the court with his own sycophants, and making it impossible for him to be removed. Someone should shove a stiletto between his ribs and leave him dying on the ballroom floor in a pile of his own blood and faeces*. *Intended as a period-appropriate metaphor, only. |
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Post by wallywalters on Sept 21, 2021 10:29:55 GMT
It's so blindingly obvious until we get a big physical presence to lead the forward line we will struggle no matter who is in charge. This type of player can mask the shortcomings of a team, or until a team can gel. We might actually be a good team but until we can get that type of player in the side we will struggle. Not being able to get that type of player in, will be the reason JB will fail. Exactly this. I’ve been saying this since the summer. And There in the blame firmly lies at joeys feet because the big powerful striker should Have been the first player signed in the summer before they all got snapped up. We were utter dross under coughlan but we had jch up top banging in the goals. A poor or average side can be masked over if you have a goalscorer. |
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Post by garystash on Sept 21, 2021 10:46:33 GMT
I have thought for a while that people are taking the p!55 out of Wael. We have someone at the helm with funds to invest in the club, but sadly it appears he is not a strong leader. The tone of an environment is set from the top and Wael needs to start demanding more. I can't help thinking you might be right. I get the vibe of a hapless divine right style 17th century monarch beset by intrigue and treachery, where the current court favourite is trying to entrench himself at the palace by getting rid of all his rivals and filling the court with his own sycophants, and making it impossible for him to be removed. Someone should shove a stiletto between his ribs and leave him dying on the ballroom floor in a pile of his own blood and faeces*. *Intended as a period-appropriate metaphor, only.   |
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Sept 21, 2021 19:53:41 GMT
Since Dave Penny in 2011, Rovers have had 15 managers, Nottingham Forest have had 14.
I only quote these stats because chopping and changing the manager does not work, even if you feel they're not producing the goods.
Darrell Clarke had a terrible record when he started, but with time and patience he turned out to be one of our best ever bosses.
Please please can we stop demanding the manager is sacked every 5 minutes.
Get behind the lads and the corner will be turned.
UTG
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