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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 21, 2021 6:16:55 GMT
No need to get personal after you call a longstanding official BRSC chairman a T***"" I dislike people who openly criticise volunteers who stand out in all winds and weathers selling 50/50 tickets and programmes for the benefit of BRFC academy and girls team. These fans are genuine supporters and frankly should not be abused. I don't think I've seen criticism of the volunteers who do the 50/50 tickets and programmes - they have been recognised as good people. It's been aimed at the top table I’ve never seen any criticism for the volunteers. I think the one thing we can agree on is the army of those people are the one shining light about the supporters club and it’s a shame they have been tarred with the brush a bit. That’s been the issue in some ways though, Masters and Chappell seemed to forget those people. Shame really.
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Post by madgas on Sept 21, 2021 7:23:39 GMT
Sorry to those no doubt this will offend. But this statement is dreadful.
Firstly, he makes out a week is too short notice to attend. Short- yes too Short? It's your role. Attend. Personally don't buy the holiday excuse. Covid anyone? Get a laptop.
Secondly, his resignation should've been a chance to redefine the relationship between the supporters club and the club. Why does he feel the need to burn that bridge. Put the supporters club first.
Thirdly, the money the Supporters club has comes from membership fees, selling of assets (Kingswood shop), and activities with fans.
Memberships are dwindling. Assets are run out. And why fan activities... let me put it this way. I used to buy 50:50 tickets on the assumption that funds found their way to the club. Not that for my cash to buy an asset for the supporters club (I'm not a member of) to loan to my club. I reasonably assumed by cash would end up with rovers not a sub group.
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Post by peterparker on Sept 21, 2021 7:38:06 GMT
Sorry to those no doubt this will offend. But this statement is dreadful. Firstly, he makes out a week is too short notice to attend. Short- yes too Short? It's your role. Attend. Personally don't buy the holiday excuse. Covid anyone? Get a laptop. Secondly, his resignation should've been a chance to redefine the relationship between the supporters club and the club. Why does he feel the need to burn that bridge. Put the supporters club first. Thirdly, the money the Supporters club has comes from membership fees, selling of assets (Kingswood shop), and activities with fans. Memberships are dwindling. Assets are run out. And why fan activities... let me put it this way. I used to buy 50:50 tickets on the assumption that funds found their way to the club. Not that for my cash to buy an asset for the supporters club (I'm not a member of) to loan to my club. I reasonably assumed by cash would end up with rovers not a sub group. To be fair as far as I am aware the 50/50 monies do (or did) go to the club to use for the purpose as described. At what speed it is handed over i do not know If the club are doing it, than they know they get 500 quid or whatever that day The 50k 'demand' is from money that came from the sale of 199. Jim's use of enforced sale of the shop was interesting (and/or deliberate) in it's vagueness The shop/flat was in a state of disrepair regardless of whether the club allowed the SC to sell kit and clothing so something had to be done with it hence the sale, to which the SC rented space until it became completely unviable via the loss of income stream Again completely understandable for the club to maintain all sales of kit and merchandise as all profit directly goes to the club rather than the SC that may or may not hand it over I have no doubt there are issues on both sides of the fence and neither side is blameless Ignoring the FC, the SCs problems have been the same as they have for over a decade, refusal or inability to change and modernise. People are out there with the abilityto do it, but they are doing different things be it Gascast, HerGameToo, FanHub etc, etc
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 21, 2021 7:45:13 GMT
The problem with the kit and merchandise was that the SC were getting it at cost price and the profits were going on running the shop, rather than going back to the FC.
I just really dont understand why there was a refusal to change. Everyone could see the SC was dying except for those on the inside.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Sept 21, 2021 7:46:17 GMT
Anyone know how 199 came into possession of the SC in the first place?
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 21, 2021 7:49:58 GMT
Defeat? Is it your victory then? If not who’s victory is it? Wael Al Qadi’s? Well I can’t see anything to celebrate, only losers everywhere especially the football club itself which is now being run by a dictator who has rid himself of everyone who ever challenged his will. Whether that be his own family, his own employees or long standing supporters who have dedicated their life to Bristol Rovers for absolutely no personal gain. You can dance on the grave of the SC today and you can dance on the grave of the FC tomorrow. Whilst we have a fan base that is more interested in fighting amongst itself, celebrating ‘defeat’ of fellow fans rather than looking in the direction of an owner that has massively increased the debt whilst overseeing an appalling degeneration of playing standards and also blowing the only real chance we have had of a fantastic new stadium, the club is on a one way ticket to oblivion. Let’s see who celebrates yours or Wael’s little victory today when the chickens come home to roost, and sadly they will come home to roost. Wael’s ownership of Bristol Rovers will not, when history eventually judges, be seen as anything other than a disaster for this FC. I hope it’s not fatal. It’s a defeat for the SC in that their polarisation of Wael has been brought to nothing. It’s nothing to do with me, I just want to support BRFC. I may not agree with everything that’s done, said or suggested and I’ve been vocal to say my bit against the club when I believe it to be wrong. But to have a “supporters club” work against the constitution to support the football club just isn’t worth having. "I just want to support BRFC." how about supporting people who like you support BRFC as well ?
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Post by oldie on Sept 21, 2021 7:57:38 GMT
Anyone know how 199 came into possession of the SC in the first place? Wasn't it from the proceeds of their premises in Eastville, near the Black Swan, after it was sold (M32 related?)
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Sept 21, 2021 8:10:58 GMT
Anyone know how 199 came into possession of the SC in the first place? Wasn't it from the proceeds of their premises in Eastville, near the Black Swan, after it was sold (M32 related?) And where did that come from? (I'm just trying to work out where the idea that the money belongs to the SC and not the FC originates.)
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 21, 2021 8:17:30 GMT
Wasn't it from the proceeds of their premises in Eastville, near the Black Swan, after it was sold (M32 related?) And where did that come from? (I'm just trying to work out where the idea that the money belongs to the SC and not the FC originates.) Would also be nice to know how much money the SC has raised for the club over the years using said facilities ?
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Post by oldie on Sept 21, 2021 8:58:47 GMT
Wasn't it from the proceeds of their premises in Eastville, near the Black Swan, after it was sold (M32 related?) And where did that come from? (I'm just trying to work out where the idea that the money belongs to the SC and not the FC originates.) I cannot imagine the original purchase of those premises had much to do with the FC, we have been broke from day one. My belief, for what it's worth, is that the FC invokes the constitution of the SC, which can be interpreted as stating that funds raised are for the purpose of supporting the FC, so they have no right to hold on to them (they being the SC Exec). This happened in 2003 when monies from the then fledgling Share Scheme were handed over BEFORE the wording of the agreement had been been accepted by the FC Board. That Jim is, or has, been resisting now has made at least two of us smile, given his eagerness back then.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Sept 21, 2021 9:27:12 GMT
It’s a defeat for the SC in that their polarisation of Wael has been brought to nothing. It’s nothing to do with me, I just want to support BRFC. I may not agree with everything that’s done, said or suggested and I’ve been vocal to say my bit against the club when I believe it to be wrong. But to have a “supporters club” work against the constitution to support the football club just isn’t worth having. "I just want to support BRFC." how about supporting people who like you support BRFC as well ? People like Wael or people like Jim?
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 21, 2021 9:27:28 GMT
It’s a defeat for the SC in that their polarisation of Wael has been brought to nothing. It’s nothing to do with me, I just want to support BRFC. I may not agree with everything that’s done, said or suggested and I’ve been vocal to say my bit against the club when I believe it to be wrong. But to have a “supporters club” work against the constitution to support the football club just isn’t worth having. "I just want to support BRFC." how about supporting people who like you support BRFC as well ? In what way have I not?
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 21, 2021 9:53:01 GMT
"I just want to support BRFC." how about supporting people who like you support BRFC as well ? In what way have I not? in a recent post you called some of these people " A cancer" and would also point out some of your posts on the other place a bit suspect which i believe have been removed, but please correct me if i'm wrong ! Mind you if you did not support our current management team both on and off the team i'm right there beside you
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 21, 2021 11:26:04 GMT
in a recent post you called some of these people " A cancer" and would also point out some of your posts on the other place a bit suspect which i believe have been removed, but please correct me if i'm wrong ! Mind you if you did not support our current management team both on and off the team i'm right there beside you Forgive me if my morals and principals don’t allow me to support a bunch of people who would pedal a serious allegation of child safeguarding against an innocent man to further an agenda as well as a host of other acts that have only serve to cause disunity. That isn’t supporting the club and that’s against the very constitution to which they serve. Yes I called their behaviour cancerous, which it is, because that kind of behaviour spreads and causes divisions to which both Jim’s and Ken’s letters of surrender not so eloquently prove. But if you would like to support a clique that would deem such ridiculous and contemptible allegations as completely ok and normal then there is something seriously wrong with you as well.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 21, 2021 11:39:23 GMT
in a recent post you called some of these people " A cancer" and would also point out some of your posts on the other place a bit suspect which i believe have been removed, but please correct me if i'm wrong ! Mind you if you did not support our current management team both on and off the team i'm right there beside you Forgive me if my morals and principals don’t allow me to support a bunch of people who would pedal a serious allegation of child safeguarding against an innocent man to further an agenda as well as a host of other acts that have only serve to cause disunity. That isn’t supporting the club and that’s against the very constitution to which they serve. Yes I called their behaviour cancerous, which it is, because that kind of behaviour spreads and causes divisions to which both Jim’s and Ken’s letters of surrender not so eloquently prove. But if you would like to support a clique that would deem such ridiculous and contemptible allegations as completely ok and normal then there is something seriously wrong with you as well. Never have and never will support a bunch of outdated members with only one agenda on their minds. What i will never understand is why people have to resort to disgusting comments about individual members within that now defunct supporters club. that's the sort of behaviour i expect from our one cell brain dead friends south of the river, not from "intelligent" supporters of our great club Not sure where some of our so called supporters are in this respect, maybe they are just lap boys for the members of the "corridors of power", who knows ?
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Post by curlywurly on Sept 21, 2021 12:18:41 GMT
... Yes I called their behaviour cancerous, which it is, because that kind of behaviour spreads and causes divisions to which both Jim’s and Ken’s letters of surrender not so eloquently prove. ... ... What i will never understand is why people have to resort to disgusting comments about individual members within that now defunct supporters club. that's the sort of behaviour i expect from our one cell brain dead friends south of the river, not from "intelligent" supporters of our great club ... This was dealt with at the time, including the faux indignation.
For avoidance of doubt, the term "a cancer on" has been in common parlance for hundreds of years, just as Shakespeare used the term "a plague on both your houses" in Romeo and Juliet.
I'm sure most people understood the meaning of gashead1981's original post as he has described, whether you agreed with him or not.
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Post by baggins on Sept 21, 2021 12:21:46 GMT
in a recent post you called some of these people " A cancer" and would also point out some of your posts on the other place a bit suspect which i believe have been removed, but please correct me if i'm wrong ! Mind you if you did not support our current management team both on and off the team i'm right there beside you Forgive me if my morals and principals don’t allow me to support a bunch of people who would pedal a serious allegation of child safeguarding against an innocent man to further an agenda as well as a host of other acts that have only serve to cause disunity. That isn’t supporting the club and that’s against the very constitution to which they serve. Yes I called their behaviour cancerous, which it is, because that kind of behaviour spreads and causes divisions to which both Jim’s and Ken’s letters of surrender not so eloquently prove. But if you would like to support a clique that would deem such ridiculous and contemptible allegations as completely ok and normal then there is something seriously wrong with you as well. If someone had made accusations against me like that...well.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Sept 21, 2021 12:25:58 GMT
Forgive me if my morals and principals don’t allow me to support a bunch of people who would pedal a serious allegation of child safeguarding against an innocent man to further an agenda as well as a host of other acts that have only serve to cause disunity. That isn’t supporting the club and that’s against the very constitution to which they serve. Yes I called their behaviour cancerous, which it is, because that kind of behaviour spreads and causes divisions to which both Jim’s and Ken’s letters of surrender not so eloquently prove. But if you would like to support a clique that would deem such ridiculous and contemptible allegations as completely ok and normal then there is something seriously wrong with you as well. Never have and never will support a bunch of outdated members with only one agenda on their minds. What i will never understand is why people have to resort to disgusting comments about individual members within that now defunct supporters club. that's the sort of behaviour i expect from our one cell brain dead friends south of the river, not from "intelligent" supporters of our great club Not sure where some of our so called supporters are in this respect, maybe they are just lap boys for the members of the "corridors of power", who knows ? Rather ironic that you think it's fine to describe people as "brain dead".
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 21, 2021 12:27:36 GMT
... What i will never understand is why people have to resort to disgusting comments about individual members within that now defunct supporters club. that's the sort of behaviour i expect from our one cell brain dead friends south of the river, not from "intelligent" supporters of our great club ... This was dealt with at the time, including the faux indignation.
For avoidance of doubt, the term "a cancer on" has been in common parlance for hundreds of years, just as Shakespeare used the term "a plague on both your houses" in Romeo and Juliet.
I'm sure most people understood the meaning of gashead1981's original post as he has described, whether you agreed with him or not. Hyperbole and metaphor referring to disease has been used for centuries. A broken heart for example. Does someone who has suffered multiple heart attacks or suffer from angina get offended by this term? I think you know you are pedalling something that isn’t there and to say otherwise is disingenuous of you. It wouldn’t be like you to want to stir a pot some how, would it..?!
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Post by curlywurly on Sept 21, 2021 12:36:28 GMT
This was dealt with at the time, including the faux indignation.
For avoidance of doubt, the term "a cancer on" has been in common parlance for hundreds of years, just as Shakespeare used the term "a plague on both your houses" in Romeo and Juliet.
I'm sure most people understood the meaning of gashead1981's original post as he has described, whether you agreed with him or not. Hyperbole and metaphor referring to disease has been used for centuries. A broken heart for example. Does someone who has suffered multiple heart attacks or suffer from angina get offended by this term? I think you know you are pedalling something that isn’t there and to say otherwise is disingenuous of you. It wouldn’t be like you to want to stir a pot some how, would it..?! wot....me?
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