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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Oct 19, 2021 15:06:22 GMT
I'm not saying Barton is right but would anyone actually notice if Starnes and Widderington actually left the club? Neither have done f**k all of any good since they arrived have they? For Timmy you could argue possibly JCH but one significant signing in how many years?? Didn’t GC say he knew jch from Southend and knew he had potential? Yes, and it was GC who managed his unorthadox behaviour well, and got the best out of him.
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 19, 2021 15:11:06 GMT
If Staines is doing his job, shouldn't he have sorted this lack of communication between 2 senior figures out by now? Unless he’s not being allowed to? Then that would be incredible! UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 19, 2021 15:15:34 GMT
If there is no scouting network now it's only because JB doesn't use it. When we were in Div1 Widdy had a file of 1000 players of both higher and lower leagues that were within the scope of Rovers able to sign. A file that size is not possible with only one man, it needs a scouting network that was in place. JB on arrival demanded that every department was replaced due to a cancer running through the club, assuming he won the argument, there is documented evidence many backroom staff left, except the sacking of the CEO and Widdy. He managed to get Widdy side lined he now seems to be heading for complete wipe out of previous staff leaving just Wael. The next big fight on Sky is Wael v JB unless the High Court gets there first? I think that Wael is enthralled by JB, so can't see there being a big fight at the moment. Yes, our WAQ does like a celebrity, doesn’t he? UTG!
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 19, 2021 15:20:53 GMT
Didn’t GC say he knew jch from Southend and knew he had potential? Yes but Tommy signed him at Coventry as well, you’d imagine a joint effort More likely whilst we were discussing signing Ogogo (& Davies?) Coventry asked us if we'd also be interested in signing JCH?
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 19, 2021 15:22:54 GMT
I wonder if Barton has asked who prepared the scouting report for tonights opposition as Widdrington was spotted scouting at Colchester recently? Was he scouting though or just meeting up with his old mate Tisdale? It seems odd our "loan manager" scouting future opposition teams?
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Post by Squiffy on Oct 19, 2021 15:24:34 GMT
Yes but Tommy signed him at Coventry as well, you’d imagine a joint effort More likely whilst we were discussing signing Ogogo (& Davies?) Coventry asked us if we'd also be interested in signing JCH? Seeing as they are now fourth in the Championship they obviously knew what they were doing!
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 19, 2021 15:27:23 GMT
There are only two ways forward for me. 1) we give Tommy and Starnes (I felt Barton had a pop at him as well) the boot 2) we get all three in the same room for a chat and make it clear they have to find a way to work with each other to benefit BRFC, anyone who can’t do that is shown the door. What isn’t any good is just ignoring it and hoping it goes away. I'm not saying Barton is right but would anyone actually notice if Starnes and Widderington actually left the club? Neither have done f**k all of any good since they arrived have they? For Timmy you could argue possibly JCH but one significant signing in how many years?? I think we would notice as if we employed decent replacements you'd hope for some noticeable improvements? Widdrington really does now seem to be stealing a living, and I doubt any of us could say what Starnes actually does on a day to day basis. Since Wael took over all we seem to have his leeches taking his money at director level, apart from Tom Gorringe who must have a thankless task trying to run the commercial side of the club
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 19, 2021 15:30:09 GMT
Yeah, he's been complimentary about Wael. I wonder why. I'm sure as soon as he leaves he'll spill a load of bile about the bloke and some people on here will lap it up. Makes I larf, too, about everyone on here saying about what yes men BG and PT were, when the real yes man is JB. My perception is that he's a slimy whiny creep who can't be trusted. Just because we've been a shambles doesn't mean JB is solving anything, I fear he will just create slightly different shambles. I'm not privvy to anything, either, but JB mouths off so often, I think it's possible to take a view about him. To be honest, I don't understand why people are so keen to make excuses for him. The underperforming deadwood underperformed more under JB than anyone else. Though I didn't particularly rate BG, with the benefit of hindsight, I feel like, looking at how he's doing atm with Swindon, he had a better chance of keeping us up and turning that deadwood into a team than I gave him credit for at the time. On the contrary, I find that objectively, Barton has been over maligned due to who he is, what he’s done in his personal life and the fact he’s come from a poor scouse background . The dominant discussion with PT and Garner was that the players weren’t good enough. PT said he wasn’t a miracle worker and then TW came out with his “players are good enough” speech. That was the dominant discussion, not tactics. I think it’s very clear that squad wasn’t good enough to stay up. This can be evidenced by most of the goals being due to individual errors and inability to score. I think given the above anyone coming in when JB did would have struggled to keep us up. You’ve made it quite clear you have a personal dislike for the guy, and I can see how he could rub people up the wrong way. I think it’s incredibly unfair to blame him for the relegation. BG’s record was appalling from the moment he took over, the recruitment of TW was awful. To look at minor underperformce from a team which by that time we’re carrying injuries and knocks is harsh. Essentially, I believe the fact he has a track record makes him easily dislikable. I’ve personally never been part of any “insert manager name” out campaign and am willing to hope for the best and give people second chances. I think also coming from a similar background and having had similar issues with temper can make you more accepting of peoples mistakes. I’ve suffered with red mist many a time so I am probably more forgiving than others can be. I also believe that being fairly dislikable and non diplomatic is a strong correlator to success. Most of the top managers and players had that streak and I respect strong willed individuals more than diplomatic ones, and I like shoot from the hip and I despise polished spin. Well goa, irrespective of his personal qualities JB has just been a total failure as a manager for BRFC on footballing grounds. We had never been in the bottom four before February, BGs record for the season was far better than JBs (not that I’m excusing him from a share of the blame), we shamefully gave up after the Northampton match and JBs man-management of his players was amongst the worst I’ve ever seen. The way we capitulated was just awful, he gave up and looked for reasons as a deflection. Nothing to do with his upbringing or his “poor spouse background” or the fact we may not like him. It was purely his failure as a football manager. I hope your judgement regarding successful managers being fairly dislikable and non-diplomatic isn’t an attempt to compare JB with successful managers (I won’t presume to name names) because he is, at the moment, light years away from that. UTG!
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Post by endicotton on Oct 19, 2021 15:47:25 GMT
Sounds like an absolute mess behind the scenes.
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Post by gashead1981 on Oct 19, 2021 15:51:32 GMT
I'm not saying Barton is right but would anyone actually notice if Starnes and Widderington actually left the club? Neither have done f**k all of any good since they arrived have they? For Timmy you could argue possibly JCH but one significant signing in how many years?? Didn’t GC say he knew jch from Southend and knew he had potential? We were also offered JCH in the summer and we turned down the opportunity to sign him, or rather, the management team at the time decided they didnt want him.
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Post by kentgas on Oct 19, 2021 15:53:39 GMT
Yes but Tommy signed him at Coventry as well, you’d imagine a joint effort More likely whilst we were discussing signing Ogogo (& Davies?) Coventry asked us if we'd also be interested in signing JCH? Thought the story was that JCH was about to sign for someone else and rang GC for some advice( as he knew him from Southend) at which point GC got him to come over to us.
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Post by kentgas on Oct 19, 2021 15:54:49 GMT
I wonder if Barton has asked who prepared the scouting report for tonights opposition as Widdrington was spotted scouting at Colchester recently? Was he scouting though or just meeting up with his old mate Tisdale? It seems odd our "loan manager" scouting future opposition teams? Tisdale left his advisory post there at the end of the season I believe.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2021 15:57:00 GMT
I wonder if Barton has asked who prepared the scouting report for tonights opposition as Widdrington was spotted scouting at Colchester recently? Was he scouting though or just meeting up with his old mate Tisdale? It seems odd our "loan manager" scouting future opposition teams? He certainly wasn't mates with Tis and he was definitely there scouting as the person who told me was also there scouting for another team.
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Post by gulfofaden on Oct 19, 2021 16:07:59 GMT
He’s been complimentary about Wael, several other managers and most of the current squad. He’s not been complimentary about the shower of sh** who assembled a squad of no hopers (who the previous 2 incumbents couldn’t get a tune out of) and most pre existing parts of BRFC which we all used to moan about constantly. The good thing about fairly narcisstic and nasty streak individuals like JB is they don’t sugar coat sh**. This club has been a shambles for years. With or without Joey B, this collection of underperforming deadwood had to be cleared. GC got a break with JCH but other than that since DC left we’ve been completely mismanaged. As for JB, his own judgement of himself is somewhat immaterial as everyone as nobody tends to slate themselves. I gave up backing or berating managers long ago as I admit I’m not privvy to the situation behind the scenes, and I am not a football professional. However, this club definitely did need a root and branch review. I’m not sure I agree with all that. Perhaps he doesn’t “sugar coat” stuff but neither does it mean he’s always right. Just because we went down last season and a good many people saw TW as the scapegoat doesn’t mean that everyone he signed was poor. We just never completed the recruitment and stopped after getting defenders and midfielders. And we’ve all banged on about whose fault that is. But we did have a structure, I think, TW head of recruitment and a manager. We then recruited a different manager, JB, with a very particular way of managing. A way that was completely different from the system we then had. Not completely JBs fault but he wants to manage his way. I don’t know we’ve been completely mismanaged since DC left. GC seemed to manage us pretty well on a football level and seemed to work well with TW. And I’m very sure this club does not need another “root and branch review”. Blimey, how many will that be and how much will that cost the club? We need the owner perhaps to expect everyone, TW, Starnes and JB to do what their job descriptions must surely say is their job. Or he needs to get them out and people in who will do that. But something needs to happen to deal with this. UTG! Cant say I agree. I think the recruitment by TW was appalling. Our marque signing currently cant get in our league 2 team, all the centre backs were shocking. It was a disgrace. As for coughlan all I saw was a terrible manager playing hoofball who was surviving on the remenants of DCs team and we would have most certainly been relegated in his first half season had it not been for sh**ting a golden egg in JCH. I most definitely don’t rose tint on coughlan, I left countless games thinking “how?? Hhhhooow did we win that?” Most of those games were us defending for 89 minutes and one wonder goal from JCH. As regards to JB, there is a saying in Chinese “a camel is a horse designed by a committee” - meaning that too many inputs on a creative idea results in a beast which actually loses the advantages of a single Ideal.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 19, 2021 16:14:05 GMT
Was he scouting though or just meeting up with his old mate Tisdale? It seems odd our "loan manager" scouting future opposition teams? He certainly wasn't mates with Tis and he was definitely there scouting as the person who told me was also there scouting for another team. I assume TW told your source that he was scouting for Rovers, but what he was actually doing there is anybody's guess, unless JB is not being entirely truthful. It's a typical "it can only happen at Rovers" mess anyway.
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Post by bobbyjones on Oct 19, 2021 16:17:05 GMT
He certainly wasn't mates with Tis and he was definitely there scouting as the person who told me was also there scouting for another team. I assume TW told your source that he was scouting for Rovers, but what he was actually doing there is anybody's guess, unless JB is not being entirely truthful. It's a typical "it can only happen at Rovers" mess anyway. Lansdown again.
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Post by gulfofaden on Oct 19, 2021 16:21:27 GMT
On the contrary, I find that objectively, Barton has been over maligned due to who he is, what he’s done in his personal life and the fact he’s come from a poor scouse background . The dominant discussion with PT and Garner was that the players weren’t good enough. PT said he wasn’t a miracle worker and then TW came out with his “players are good enough” speech. That was the dominant discussion, not tactics. I think it’s very clear that squad wasn’t good enough to stay up. This can be evidenced by most of the goals being due to individual errors and inability to score. I think given the above anyone coming in when JB did would have struggled to keep us up. You’ve made it quite clear you have a personal dislike for the guy, and I can see how he could rub people up the wrong way. I think it’s incredibly unfair to blame him for the relegation. BG’s record was appalling from the moment he took over, the recruitment of TW was awful. To look at minor underperformce from a team which by that time we’re carrying injuries and knocks is harsh. Essentially, I believe the fact he has a track record makes him easily dislikable. I’ve personally never been part of any “insert manager name” out campaign and am willing to hope for the best and give people second chances. I think also coming from a similar background and having had similar issues with temper can make you more accepting of peoples mistakes. I’ve suffered with red mist many a time so I am probably more forgiving than others can be. I also believe that being fairly dislikable and non diplomatic is a strong correlator to success. Most of the top managers and players had that streak and I respect strong willed individuals more than diplomatic ones, and I like shoot from the hip and I despise polished spin. Well goa, irrespective of his personal qualities JB has just been a total failure as a manager for BRFC on footballing grounds. We had never been in the bottom four before February, BGs record for the season was far better than JBs (not that I’m excusing him from a share of the blame), we shamefully gave up after the Northampton match and JBs man-management of his players was amongst the worst I’ve ever seen. The way we capitulated was just awful, he gave up and looked for reasons as a deflection. Nothing to do with his upbringing or his “poor spouse background” or the fact we may not like him. It was purely his failure as a football manager. I hope your judgement regarding successful managers being fairly dislikable and non-diplomatic isn’t an attempt to compare JB with successful managers (I won’t presume to name names) because he is, at the moment, light years away from that. UTG! No it’s just a reflection on life. Show me a good loser and I’ll show you a loser. Are you judging his track record based on what he inherited, or on his new team? If you’re judging based on the debacle he inherited, and think that tactics or putting your arm around a player could have saved us….sorely mistaken IMO. I think the reason you’re judging him based on half a season with a squad of people he didn’t put together is because you don’t like him. Otherwise you judge managers who inherent players and a team they don’t want, and that’s not how management works.
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Post by Jomo on Oct 19, 2021 16:21:54 GMT
Yes but Tommy signed him at Coventry as well, you’d imagine a joint effort More likely whilst we were discussing signing Ogogo (& Davies?) Coventry asked us if we'd also be interested in signing JCH? I read this post before I saw who posted it, and thought "I bet that that's Topper" 😉
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Post by rememberhalifax on Oct 19, 2021 16:30:50 GMT
I am no expert on I.T. but i would imagine that these days it's quite easy to compile a list of possible targets just by using a computer , i believe thousands of players have video c.v s which are available to clubs but this does not replace doing the hard miles to places like Crewe on a wet ,cold , January night IMHO.( sorry Crewe, other such places are available!) I have no idea on how things work at Rovers and i repeat i wish JB would keep these things in house, never the less we do not seem to discover talent like we used to and there has to be a reason for that, i suspect we do not have those guys out there at games across the pyramid and are relying to much on Stats and player video's.
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Post by pirate on Oct 19, 2021 16:34:57 GMT
He certainly wasn't mates with Tis and he was definitely there scouting as the person who told me was also there scouting for another team. I assume TW told your source that he was scouting for Rovers, but what he was actually doing there is anybody's guess, unless JB is not being entirely truthful. It's a typical "it can only happen at Rovers" mess anyway. JB "not being entirely truthful"? Never! Lol
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