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Post by baggins on Apr 21, 2022 12:25:43 GMT
Fair question. Nothing to do with potential success, but I understand why naturally anyone would think that. Timing because of litigation procedures and policies regarding NDA non disclosure arrangements. So you have been told some of this has NDA's attached and you then disclose it. Unbelievable! It's been an odd post to open a thread full stop. I can't get my head around it.
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Post by bidefordgas on Apr 21, 2022 12:37:17 GMT
So you have been told some of this has NDA's attached and you then disclose it. Unbelievable! It's been an odd post to open a thread full stop. I can't get my head around it. The OP has been very active in the FGR/ Scunthorpe ticketing threads with the gripes over the South stand arrangements and it would appear wanted to go further and start a much bigger complaints/ gripe for want of a better word.
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Post by baggins on Apr 21, 2022 12:46:20 GMT
It's been an odd post to open a thread full stop. I can't get my head around it. The OP has been very active in the FGR/ Scunthorpe ticketing threads with the gripes over the South stand arrangements and it would appear wanted to go further and start a much bigger complaints/ gripe for want of a better word. It's a strange one.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Apr 21, 2022 12:52:27 GMT
If the club have breached employment laws, the former staff members can take them to an employment tribunal. That's absolutely true. That's absolutely true for everyone, including those poor p&o employees. There can be unscrupulous acts on every side, but I would hope my post serves to highlight some of the little or not known incidents that if happened to you directly, would question loyalty.
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Post by keygas on Apr 21, 2022 12:54:33 GMT
I'm not party to any internal matters so can't and won't comment. I am a disgruntled South Stand season ticket holder though. We may be small in number but were there through the tough times. Loyalty is important - we ask it of the players - so why can't we expect it. I'm annoyed at having to move for next season. Partly because there was no real choice other than the SW stand and I don't want to sit in a corner, but more so that there was no consultation or consideration with affected season ticket holders beforehand, meaning long standing groups have been split up. As for FGR, that is totally down to mismanagement by the club. Again, no-one was consulted, new tickets issued before any explanation given, family groups split into different rows and no offer of any compensation for not providing what we paid in advance for. Football has always been about watching with family and friends, be that sitting or standing and always will be. For the biggest game of the season (and who would have thought FGR would be included in that statement) it just won't be the same. It's just unprofessional. I can understand your grievance, but with the limited capacity of the Mem any success on the field was always going to cause issues. By moving a small number of season ticket holders in the South stand the club has now been able to allow another 700 Rovers fans who wouldn’t have been able to attend a ticket on the East terrace which makes both financial sense & with a full terrace of home fans along that side of the pitch must be a help to the players on the pitch. Like I said I can understand you being unhappy & perhaps the club could have handled it better & given out some clubshop vouchers for your inconvenience, but this issue emphasises why the club needs a much improved infrastructure.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Apr 21, 2022 12:55:49 GMT
Fair question. Nothing to do with potential success, but I understand why naturally anyone would think that. Timing because of litigation procedures and policies regarding NDA non disclosure arrangements. So you have been told some of this has NDA's attached and you then disclose it. Unbelievable! Inaccurate and misunderstood post. The club had time to act before NDA or litigation, that deadline has since passed. Another line to rightfully question loyalty? As per title.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Apr 21, 2022 12:57:49 GMT
I've just grabbed me popcorn and will sit back and enjoy the read. 🍿😁
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Post by bluestickgas1 on Apr 21, 2022 13:00:01 GMT
If the club have breached employment laws, the former staff members can take them to an employment tribunal. That's absolutely true. That's absolutely true for everyone, including those poor p&o employees. There can be unscrupulous acts on every side, but I would hope my post serves to highlight some of the little or not known incidents that if happened to you directly, would question loyalty. But we only have your word and no evidence? How do we know half of the stuff you have said has happened??
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Apr 21, 2022 13:02:26 GMT
That's absolutely true. That's absolutely true for everyone, including those poor p&o employees. There can be unscrupulous acts on every side, but I would hope my post serves to highlight some of the little or not known incidents that if happened to you directly, would question loyalty. But we only have your word and no evidence? How do we know half of the stuff you have said has happened?? He needs to be more specific IMO. Specific examoles rather than wishy washy nonsense.
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Post by bluestickgas1 on Apr 21, 2022 13:08:53 GMT
So you have been told some of this has NDA's attached and you then disclose it. Unbelievable! Inaccurate and misunderstood post. The club had time to act before NDA or litigation, that deadline has since passed. Another line to rightfully question loyalty? As per title. But what litigation?? I’ve seen or heard nothing about it and if there is anything going on, surely posting about it on Social Media without any substantiation is not a wise move? Normally all things like that are rightfully contained behind closed doors to a) not allow the outcome be influenced by external sources, b) because typically these things are private and should remain private to those involved and c) without evidence (which unless you breach contract law cannot be presented) it all comes across as hearsay and noise and the seriousness of what you state is lost. Personally whilst I do think some things could may have well been handled better, a lot of what you’ve put I think is just one biased side of a story and doesn’t reflect the whole picture. I don’t actually know in reality but what you’ve put in your OP - some of it is borderline libellous and from my own experiences and knowledge just doesn’t add up.
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Post by dudelebowski on Apr 21, 2022 13:18:48 GMT
Ah the old “I know something, but can’t tell you exactly what”
Nothing we haven’t seen before folks.
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Post by holmesgas1 on Apr 21, 2022 13:55:59 GMT
So you have been told some of this has NDA's attached and you then disclose it. Unbelievable! Inaccurate and misunderstood post. The club had time to act before NDA or litigation, that deadline has since passed. Another line to rightfully question loyalty? As per title. Why raise this on a forum? If you have a grievance you should raise this through due channels and allow the process to take its course. With respect to the South Stand, though politically delicate if it allows Forest Greens request to be met, plus I understand an extra 700 Gasheads to see the game, it seems the right commercial and supporter friendly decision. At least you will see the game. Many will not. The good news is this reiterates to Weal and TG that a new stadium is required post haste.
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Post by wertongas on Apr 21, 2022 14:10:22 GMT
it is not just the South stand season ticket thing, or the way some staff and volunteers have been poorly treated, but there is the fans that have been kicked out of what was the Dunford Lounge so that it can be used by Directors and staff of the away team who used to have a corporate box, the club are now trying to clear an area of seats from home supporters in the west stand to be used by people connected with away teams, thing is us home fans have been supporting the club for 30.40 years or more and have to make way for away supporters who only visit the mem once a year. The point the OP I think is making is that where as in the past supporters came first and were looked after by a friendly club now they are just objects to make money out of, we seem to have lost some of the customer care at this club.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Apr 21, 2022 14:12:37 GMT
it is not just the South stand season ticket thing, or the way some staff and volunteers have been poorly treated, but there is the fans that have been kicked out of what was the Dunford Lounge so that it can be used by Directors and staff of the away team who used to have a corporate box, the club are now trying to clear an area of seats from home supporters in the west stand to be used by people connected with away teams, thing is us home fans have been supporting the club for 30.40 years or more and have to make way for away supporters who only visit the mem once a year. The point the OP I think is making is that where as in the past supporters came first and were looked after by a friendly club now they are just objects to make money out of, we seem to have lost some of the customer care at this club. Are West Stand ST holders being moved to different seats as well?
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Post by thegasman on Apr 21, 2022 14:16:16 GMT
I think I understand some of the grievances, if not the way they have been raised. I also understand that the club has been losing money hand over fist, and need to find any and every way they can to stem the flow. unfortunately these 2 things don't work well together. I would probably be watered off if asked to move, but I also still want a club to support. I don't know what the answer is, but the bits I do know about (south stand ST holders) I thought the club did the best they could by trying to personally contact all the affected people. I am sure the club will also learn lessons and try to do better in the future.
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Post by wertongas on Apr 21, 2022 14:26:23 GMT
it is not just the South stand season ticket thing, or the way some staff and volunteers have been poorly treated, but there is the fans that have been kicked out of what was the Dunford Lounge so that it can be used by Directors and staff of the away team who used to have a corporate box, the club are now trying to clear an area of seats from home supporters in the west stand to be used by people connected with away teams, thing is us home fans have been supporting the club for 30.40 years or more and have to make way for away supporters who only visit the mem once a year. The point the OP I think is making is that where as in the past supporters came first and were looked after by a friendly club now they are just objects to make money out of, we seem to have lost some of the customer care at this club. Are West Stand ST holders being moved to different seats as well? The club want to have an area for people associated with the away clubs, so they can use what was the Dunford Lounge and then sit in a section of the blue seats, any way to stop this me and other fans in that area bought our seats straight away to stop them having our seats.. Thing is for years there hasn't been an issue, but when the club now get a bright idea they just go ahead with it, they don't seem to bother with taking supporters views into consideration any more, TG done some good improvements at the club, but things seem to have changed since lockdown.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Apr 21, 2022 14:34:52 GMT
Are West Stand ST holders being moved to different seats as well? The club want to have an area for people associated with the away clubs, so they can use what was the Dunford Lounge and then sit in a section of the blue seats, any way to stop this me and other fans in that area bought our seats straight away to stop them having our seats.. Thing is for years there hasn't been an issue, but when the club now get a bright idea they just go ahead with it, they don't seem to bother with taking supporters views into consideration any more, TG done some good improvements at the club, but things seem to have changed since lockdown. I have seen the sign at the back which says something along the lines of "Directors' Guests Only". I'm glad that you've managed to keep hold of your original seat, and that you continue to do so. A few years ago some Man Utd ST holders were told that they would have to move to different seats, as the club were converting the area for disabled supporters to use. When they went to the first game of the new season, they saw that their seats were actually occupied by corporate guests!
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Post by dudelebowski on Apr 21, 2022 14:47:40 GMT
The club want to have an area for people associated with the away clubs, so they can use what was the Dunford Lounge and then sit in a section of the blue seats, any way to stop this me and other fans in that area bought our seats straight away to stop them having our seats.. Thing is for years there hasn't been an issue, but when the club now get a bright idea they just go ahead with it, they don't seem to bother with taking supporters views into consideration any more, TG done some good improvements at the club, but things seem to have changed since lockdown. I have seen the sign at the back which says something along the lines of "Directors' Guests Only". I'm glad that you've managed to keep hold of your original seat, and that you continue to do so. A few years ago some Man Utd ST holders were told that they would have to move to different seats, as the club were converting the area for disabled supporters to use. When they went to the first game of the new season, they saw that their seats were actually occupied by corporate guests! Poor devils in their posh prime view seats. Gimme the East Terrace on a monsoon Tuesday night anyday🤘🏼😎
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Post by wertongas on Apr 21, 2022 15:16:47 GMT
I have seen the sign at the back which says something along the lines of "Directors' Guests Only". I'm glad that you've managed to keep hold of your original seat, and that you continue to do so. A few years ago some Man Utd ST holders were told that they would have to move to different seats, as the club were converting the area for disabled supporters to use. When they went to the first game of the new season, they saw that their seats were actually occupied by corporate guests! Poor devils in their posh prime view seats. Gimme the East Terrace on a monsoon Tuesday night anyday🤘🏼😎 Are seats ain't posh and neither are we, but just showing another example that things ain't what they use to be.
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Post by badengas on Apr 21, 2022 15:22:14 GMT
I have seen the sign at the back which says something along the lines of "Directors' Guests Only". I'm glad that you've managed to keep hold of your original seat, and that you continue to do so. A few years ago some Man Utd ST holders were told that they would have to move to different seats, as the club were converting the area for disabled supporters to use. When they went to the first game of the new season, they saw that their seats were actually occupied by corporate guests! Poor devils in their posh prime view seats. Gimme the East Terrace on a monsoon Tuesday night anyday🤘🏼😎 A wet pasty and hypothermia are two of my favourite things. Is the East Terrace tent going ? I hope so.
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