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Post by warehamgas on May 5, 2022 18:41:35 GMT
As far as I am concerned the team are playing the best football for many a year, they are fitter and better organised than any other Rovers team in the past and the club is vastly improved in many areas. Wael, TG and Joey are all singing from the same hymn sheet. Joey has brought in his own coaching team, a top fitness conditioning coach Tom Short with several years experience in the Premier league and his work is clear to see. Quite clearly Joey has overseen a very successful season and hopefully the icing on the cake will be promotion at the end of it. Yes, I think that’s it, the quality of football being played is the best since Holloway’s time imo. Elliot A has helped of course enormously because he’s such a talent. I hated the capitulation last season after the Northampton draw when Baldwin gave away that pen and JB owes us one for that. But I guess we need to give up the comparisons with last season because it was so awful and if we always did that then you could compare so many before and after situations. What JB appears to have done which looks to be good is the building of firm foundations, improved fitness, a training ground which looks to be working well and players looking comfortable in the style we play. Fingers crossed for promotion Saturday or in the play-offs which would crown the way we’ve been playing since November. UTG!
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Post by bidefordgas on May 5, 2022 18:42:16 GMT
As regards Joeys autobiography how do people know it was "ghost written"? I'm quite happy to accept its his words and his thoughts on his life up to now. The man is quite clearly intelligent enough to write one, that's why it's an autobiography and not a biography. Dave JB actually acknowledges Michael Calvin as the ghost writer, also it explains how much time they spent together in producing this book. Fair enough, not all of us can write a book of our own back and would need help to avoid it being to short or to long etc. However I am quite convinced its Joeys thoughts and words and not someone else's opinion of what Joey is.
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Post by gasify on May 5, 2022 19:23:02 GMT
No, he hasn't. At the start of the game on Saturday, we are still in a league lower than we were when he took over. When he took over we were not in the relegation zone. Let's all hope that we will be back in that league come Saturday evening or at the end of May. Otherwise, he hasn't really achieved anything other than relegation. You need to look at the bigger picture - ask the players what has changed at the club since he took over. Tilly what would they say? The only thing I can see is that they are now drinking the special water! I all honesty, I do think your comment is a bit simplistic. If I asked any player and the player says its sh** then his livelihood would be on the line as JB is a bully boy who would kick that player out. I re kon if you asked any player under Garner, you would have got the same response of its great how its changed. We both want the same thing which is to return the the league that JB relegated us from. Maybe with a season in league one and we are I same position as we are but I league one, I will admit that JB has made a massive impact at the club. However until then, facts are we are still playing on a lower league than this time last season.
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Post by gasify on May 5, 2022 19:26:37 GMT
No, he hasn't. At the start of the game on Saturday, we are still in a league lower than we were when he took over. When he took over we were not in the relegation zone. Let's all hope that we will be back in that league come Saturday evening or at the end of May. Otherwise, he hasn't really achieved anything other than relegation. Alex Ferguson couldn’t have kept that rabble up. We don’t blame DC for relegation to the conference with a hospital pass from JW - we weren’t in the relegation zone until the last day of the season - so why does JB get the blame? DC did get the blame from some but the difference was DC didn't give up with 5 games left and slag off the players. Don't forget that some players showed DC loyalty to DC when they stayed and played non league for a season. Also DC was in charge for 8 games and it was his first management job in the football league. Completely different situation. JB was in charge for something like 40% of the games last season.
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Post by gasify on May 5, 2022 19:30:21 GMT
In not taking any blame for King Lynn’s relegation, I agree he is exactly the same as JB and his attitude to his part in our relegation last season. However, just because they have reacted the same, does it mean they are the same, the situations are the same, and their refusal to take any blame is the same? Given free reign, Barton has clearly transformed the quality of the squad, players attitudes, playing style and eventually results on the pitch. I suppose to be fair to Tommy the same could be said for him! Barton is clearly a highly focussed individual and knows exactly what he’s looking for. This is what his ex loanee, the very highly rated,Harry Soutter, who was with him at Fleetwood said about him last week; ‘He’s very Black and White, he’ll say what he wants you to do for the team, and you know your roll down to a tee, and I think that’s why we had such a successful season’ Bloody footballers. JB could've taught him the difference between roll and a role...
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Post by Topper Gas on May 5, 2022 19:34:02 GMT
Alex Ferguson couldn’t have kept that rabble up. We don’t blame DC for relegation to the conference with a hospital pass from JW - we weren’t in the relegation zone until the last day of the season - so why does JB get the blame? DC did get the blame from some but the difference was DC didn't give up with 5 games left and slightly off the players. Don't forget that some players showed DC loyalty to DC when they stayed and played non league for a season. Also DC was in charge for 8 games and it was his first management job in the football league. Completely different situation. JB was in charge for something like 40% of the games last season. You clearly dislike JB for some reason, most of us can see the improvements he's brought to the club even if you can't, it's time to move on in my view.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on May 5, 2022 19:38:28 GMT
You need to look at the bigger picture - ask the players what has changed at the club since he took over. Tilly what would they say? The only thing I can see is that they are now drinking the special water! I all honesty, I do think your comment is a bit simplistic. If I asked any player and the player says its sh** then his livelihood would be on the line as JB is a bully boy who would kick that player out. I re kon if you asked any player under Garner, you would have got the same response of its great how its changed. We both want the same thing which is to return the the league that JB relegated us from. Maybe with a season in league one and we are I same position as we are but I league one, I will admit that JB has made a massive impact at the club. However until then, facts are we are still playing on a lower league than this time last season. Maybe bother to read other posts, which state the things which JB has improved, also confirmed by wallywalters . This information hasn't come from players being asked a direct question about it, it has come from conversations, the same as other people talk about their workplace, players do too when they are out socially. If JB is such a "bully boy" why have players from his previous club followed him to Rovers, and dropped down a division to do so? I certainly wouldn't follow in the footsteps of a manager who was a workplace bully.
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Post by meadgas on May 5, 2022 19:42:15 GMT
You need to look at the bigger picture - ask the players what has changed at the club since he took over. Tilly what would they say? The only thing I can see is that they are now drinking the special water! I all honesty, I do think your comment is a bit simplistic. If I asked any player and the player says its sh** then his livelihood would be on the line as JB is a bully boy who would kick that player out. I re kon if you asked any player under Garner, you would have got the same response of its great how its changed. We both want the same thing which is to return the the league that JB relegated us from. Maybe with a season in league one and we are I same position as we are but I league one, I will admit that JB has made a massive impact at the club. However until then, facts are we are still playing on a lower league than this time last season. The players are showing it on the pitch and that's where it matters, if they weren't happy would they battle to the end like they do.
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Post by gasandelectricity on May 5, 2022 19:45:40 GMT
Alex Ferguson couldn’t have kept that rabble up. We don’t blame DC for relegation to the conference with a hospital pass from JW - we weren’t in the relegation zone until the last day of the season - so why does JB get the blame? DC did get the blame from some but the difference was DC didn't give up with 5 games left and slightly off the players. Don't forget that some players showed DC loyalty to DC when they stayed and played non league for a season. Also DC was in charge for 8 games and it was his first management job in the football league. Completely different situation. JB was in charge for something like 40% of the games last season. Nicholson, Grant, Kilgour, Jaakola. I’ve probably missed some. Joey has got rid of and retained a similar proportion of players. If he got rid of more, it was because they weren’t good enough. Joey could have had 60% but he didn’t have a window, just like DC didn’t. The problem was the squad was not good enough. Full stop. We could have had the most experienced manager in English football. They wouldn’t have been able to have turned it around. So experience doesn’t come into it. The squad wasn’t good enough. Let it go and enjoy what’s left of our season and I’m sure all will be restored to the status quo, albeit with a squad who can take us positive places instead of a squad which could quite likely have done a Scunny or Southend on us.
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Post by bidefordgas on May 5, 2022 19:45:42 GMT
You need to look at the bigger picture - ask the players what has changed at the club since he took over. Tilly what would they say? The only thing I can see is that they are now drinking the special water! I all honesty, I do think your comment is a bit simplistic. If I asked any player and the player says its sh** then his livelihood would be on the line as JB is a bully boy who would kick that player out. I re kon if you asked any player under Garner, you would have got the same response of its great how its changed. We both want the same thing which is to return the the league that JB relegated us from. Maybe with a season in league one and we are I same position as we are but I league one, I will admit that JB has made a massive impact at the club. However until then, facts are we are still playing on a lower league than this time last season. Where's your information come from saying JB is a bully boy? Max Ehmer no doubt! If that's what he is, he's certainly got the current squad scared stiff of him and playing out their skins. Must have been the same at Fleetwood getting them into the playoffs in his second season.
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Post by gasify on May 5, 2022 19:48:32 GMT
I don't have any specific dislike for Widdrington tbf. I can't pretend to know the full story, but when he was Head of Recruitment (or Chief Scout or whatever his role was initially) he was involved in signing some decent (albeit mostly ex-Coventry) players. I know he took some of the brunt for last season's catastrophy. But I am a bit unclear on why that was. I think he was promoted to Director of Football in order to bring some practical footballing experience to the boardroom, but his old role wasn't back-filled perhaps suggesting he kept on that responsibility too? If that was the case then he could be held at least partially accountable for the poor recruitment under Garner/Tisdale. But he would have only made recommendations based on the type of player that the manager at the time was after surely? Whatever the case. If Barton came in and did not want to work with a DoF and wanted full control over transfers then TW's position was always going to be untenable. But I am not sure his departure should be anything for us all to be grateful for, necessarily. It just didn't work out. I wasn't grateful for Mansell being released or Clint Hill any of the other backroom staff either really. Tommy Widdrington is no different in that regard. Very unusual that the only manager that didnt work with TW had the best recruitment window. No guesses why, the only decent signing TW can stand against is JCH and thats because hes ex Coventry. He did the same as a manager at Kings Lynn getting all our cast offs and it didnt work (again). Makes you wonder what his skill set is, he had trouble in judging a player and also appears to have had limited contacts. if he was still around now I wonder what use he would be, maybe a job as a fluffer wouldnt be beyond him I think your being massively unfair here. The JCH signing was worth goals in the team and alot of cash in the bank (some say not enough). Barton has signed a fantastic Keeper. What defenders has he signed that the club owns that could be sold at a profit? What midfielders has JB signed that the club owns that could be sold at a profit? So that leaves the attack. Same question. The Evans can leave on a free,Sammy Nick wasn't signed by JB and potentially we won't get a fee if he leaves at the end of the season. Aaron Collins? Love him to bits and his energy is fantastic but no championship bound is gonna offer JCH amount of money for him. So we have a small amount of success at the moment, which may be false hope come end of May (I hope not) and then what has JB achieved. Of course, I want to be proven wrong. Come Saturday evening I want us promoted. I want to be able to say, ok JB you have got us back to where we were and I will wipe the slate clean. Now get us to the 2nd division where we think we belong but history says something different. In my 40 plus years of being a Gashead, only 3 seasons have been in the 2nd division of the football hierarchy. So, JB let's make is four in 2025 season. I am very much behind the team but there has not been any success yet.
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Post by yattongas on May 5, 2022 20:01:24 GMT
As regards Joeys autobiography how do people know it was "ghost written"? I'm quite happy to accept its his words and his thoughts on his life up to now. The man is quite clearly intelligent enough to write one, that's why it's an autobiography and not a biography. Dave JB actually acknowledges Michael Calvin as the ghost writer, also it explains how much time they spent together in producing this book. I’m half way through reading it at the moment. I’m surprised it is a 1000 pages with all the talking Barton does 😂
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Post by Topper Gas on May 5, 2022 20:11:40 GMT
Very unusual that the only manager that didnt work with TW had the best recruitment window. No guesses why, the only decent signing TW can stand against is JCH and thats because hes ex Coventry. He did the same as a manager at Kings Lynn getting all our cast offs and it didnt work (again). Makes you wonder what his skill set is, he had trouble in judging a player and also appears to have had limited contacts. if he was still around now I wonder what use he would be, maybe a job as a fluffer wouldnt be beyond him I think your being massively unfair here. The JCH signing was worth goals in the team and alot of cash in the bank (some say not enough). Barton has signed a fantastic Keeper. What defenders has he signed that the club owns that could be sold at a profit?
What midfielders has JB signed that the club owns that could be sold at a profit?
So that leaves the attack. Same question. The Evans can leave on a free,Sammy Nick wasn't signed by JB and potentially we won't get a fee if he leaves at the end of the season. Aaron Collins? Love him to bits and his energy is fantastic but no championship bound is gonna offer JCH amount of money for him. So we have a small amount of success at the moment, which may be false hope come end of May (I hope not) and then what has JB achieved. Of course, I want to be proven wrong. Come Saturday evening I want us promoted. I want to be able to say, ok JB you have got us back to where we were and I will wipe the slate clean. Now get us to the 2nd division where we think we belong but history says something different. In my 40 plus years of being a Gashead, only 3 seasons have been in the 2nd division of the football hierarchy. So, JB let's make is four in 2025 season. I am very much behind the team but there has not been any success yet.Hoole must be worth a few £'s? Evans also potentially has a transfer value if he stays, on the flip side what transfer values did the TW/BG combo bring to the club? Regardless JB's remit this season was to get his promoted not add money to Wael's £m's. If you don't consider sell out crowds and some fantastic results/performances a success you must have found the last 40 years a bit depressing.
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Post by gasify on May 5, 2022 21:39:29 GMT
Tilly what would they say? The only thing I can see is that they are now drinking the special water! I all honesty, I do think your comment is a bit simplistic. If I asked any player and the player says its sh** then his livelihood would be on the line as JB is a bully boy who would kick that player out. I re kon if you asked any player under Garner, you would have got the same response of its great how its changed. We both want the same thing which is to return the the league that JB relegated us from. Maybe with a season in league one and we are I same position as we are but I league one, I will admit that JB has made a massive impact at the club. However until then, facts are we are still playing on a lower league than this time last season. Maybe bother to read other posts, which state the things which JB has improved, also confirmed by wallywalters . This information hasn't come from players being asked a direct question about it, it has come from conversations, the same as other people talk about their workplace, players do too when they are out socially. If JB is such a "bully boy" why have players from his previous club followed him to Rovers, and dropped down a division to do so? I certainly wouldn't follow in the footsteps of a manager who was a workplace bully. [/b] I don't know either, somewhere between Stockholm syndrome and for the wages?
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Post by gasify on May 5, 2022 21:56:49 GMT
I think your being massively unfair here. The JCH signing was worth goals in the team and alot of cash in the bank (some say not enough). Barton has signed a fantastic Keeper. What defenders has he signed that the club owns that could be sold at a profit?
What midfielders has JB signed that the club owns that could be sold at a profit?
So that leaves the attack. Same question. The Evans can leave on a free,Sammy Nick wasn't signed by JB and potentially we won't get a fee if he leaves at the end of the season. Aaron Collins? Love him to bits and his energy is fantastic but no championship bound is gonna offer JCH amount of money for him. So we have a small amount of success at the moment, which may be false hope come end of May (I hope not) and then what has JB achieved. Of course, I want to be proven wrong. Come Saturday evening I want us promoted. I want to be able to say, ok JB you have got us back to where we were and I will wipe the slate clean. Now get us to the 2nd division where we think we belong but history says something different. In my 40 plus years of being a Gashead, only 3 seasons have been in the 2nd division of the football hierarchy. So, JB let's make is four in 2025 season. I am very much behind the team but there has not been any success yet.Hoole must be worth a few £'s? Evans also potentially has a transfer value if he stays, on the flip side what transfer values did the TW/BG combo bring to the club? Regardless JB's remit this season was to get his promoted not add money to Wael's £m's. If you don't consider sell out crowds and some fantastic results/performances a success you must have found the last 40 years a bit depressing. Hoole, I missed that one. What club did JB sign him from? Evan definitely has a transfer value but he might walk on a free, anywhere between in one or four games time. What did TW and BG bring, well JCH is the main one and Sammy Nicks is the other. We could've got between 500k an 1m for him. Belshaw is the best signing that JB has made that could be worth a fee. However, it has been a long slog trying to find a decent keeper over the last few years that we shouldn't sell him. The last 40 years has been pretty depressing as a Rovers fan but they are in my blood. My history, my being is very much tethered to Rovers. False Dawn's and the hope that hurts. Of course I have enjoyed the ride since January, who wouldn't. I would prefer to see these sell out crowds in league 1. I would prefer these glory Hunters to commit to Rovers more. Then the next phase in Project Rovers can really get going, ie a new stadium. I do dream and I dream that on Saturday night we will be having a party on gloucester Road. I am also a realist that knows if we don't go back up, we are back in the same place as we were at the beginning of the season.
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Post by wallywalters on May 5, 2022 22:18:29 GMT
You need to look at the bigger picture - ask the players what has changed at the club since he took over. Tilly what would they say? The only thing I can see is that they are now drinking the special water! I all honesty, I do think your comment is a bit simplistic. If I asked any player and the player says its sh** then his livelihood would be on the line as JB is a bully boy who would kick that player out. I re kon if you asked any player under Garner, you would have got the same response of its great how its changed. We both want the same thing which is to return the the league that JB relegated us from. Maybe with a season in league one and we are I same position as we are but I league one, I will admit that JB has made a massive impact at the club. However until then, facts are we are still playing on a lower league than this time last season. It’s pointless posting positive things going on behind the scenes tilly. If Barton’s had anything to do with it it must be false/ made up/ exaggerated. Most of the anti Barton brigade have slid back into their caves but beware they are waiting to come out in their minority if we fail to get promotion.
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Post by gasify on May 5, 2022 22:26:13 GMT
Tilly what would they say? The only thing I can see is that they are now drinking the special water! I all honesty, I do think your comment is a bit simplistic. If I asked any player and the player says its sh** then his livelihood would be on the line as JB is a bully boy who would kick that player out. I re kon if you asked any player under Garner, you would have got the same response of its great how its changed. We both want the same thing which is to return the the league that JB relegated us from. Maybe with a season in league one and we are I same position as we are but I league one, I will admit that JB has made a massive impact at the club. However until then, facts are we are still playing on a lower league than this time last season. It’s pointless posting positive things going on behind the scenes tilly. If Barton’s had anything to do with it it must be false/ made up/ exaggerated. Most of the anti Barton brigade have slid back into their caves but beware they are waiting to come out in their minority if we fail to get promotion. Course they are. JB said we would get promoted.
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Post by Jomo on May 5, 2022 23:03:50 GMT
I was extremely critical of JB last season and earlier this season, but he's made up a vast amount of lost ground now and I'm really glad that Wael decided not to pull the trigger when I most certainly would have.
The likes of gasify and SleepyGas, I respect you as posters and agree with a lot of your posts, but I feel that on this you're being just as stubborn as those that wouldn't say a bad word about JB even when he was an apparent car crash earlier in his tenure. Why can we not have some nuance to the debate and credit where credit is due? Without that, arguments lose credibility.
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Post by gasheadmichal on May 5, 2022 23:37:52 GMT
FEAR NOT. We are 4th with the chance of automatic promotion , one game to go ,you never know. Come on Rovers
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Post by Topper Gas on May 6, 2022 6:26:32 GMT
Hoole must be worth a few £'s? Evans also potentially has a transfer value if he stays, on the flip side what transfer values did the TW/BG combo bring to the club? Regardless JB's remit this season was to get his promoted not add money to Wael's £m's. If you don't consider sell out crowds and some fantastic results/performances a success you must have found the last 40 years a bit depressing. Hoole, I missed that one. What club did JB sign him from? Evan definitely has a transfer value but he might walk on a free, anywhere between in one or four games time. What did TW and BG bring, well JCH is the main one and Sammy Nicks is the other. We could've got between 500k an 1m for him. Belshaw is the best signing that JB has made that could be worth a fee. However, it has been a long slog trying to find a decent keeper over the last few years that we shouldn't sell him. The last 40 years has been pretty depressing as a Rovers fan but they are in my blood. My history, my being is very much tethered to Rovers. False Dawn's and the hope that hurts. Of course I have enjoyed the ride since January, who wouldn't. I would prefer to see these sell out crowds in league 1. I would prefer these glory Hunters to commit to Rovers more. Then the next phase in Project Rovers can really get going, ie a new stadium. I do dream and I dream that on Saturday night we will be having a party on gloucester Road. I am also a realist that knows if we don't go back up, we are back in the same place as we were at the beginning of the season. How was BG involved in JCH's signing in any way?
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