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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jun 27, 2022 11:28:52 GMT
Will drug dealers have to have a machine for cards then 😂. What will users use to sniff it with Crypto? That’s yet another level of difficult. Have a heart for the poor drug dealers. Who will start the crowdfunding page ? 😂
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Post by plymouthgas on Jun 27, 2022 12:22:54 GMT
Cashless is the way forward whether people like it or not. It's just the reliability of the system. Local to me there have been a few shops where systems have gone down and regular cashless users have been left to find an ATM - there are not many - just to buy a pint of milk. Gone are the days of backup being pen, paper, calculator and a box full of change incase the till breaks. It’s not just the reliability but the vulnerability which bothers me. There’s more than one hostile state actor who would love to take down the banking system which would cause absolute chaos if it was for any length of time. And then there’s natural events like solar flares which could knock out the associated electronics. Persisting with a physical back up system like cash seems prudent to me. Sorry but this is bordering on rediculous now. So we should stick to cash, in the unlikely even that a solar flare strikes on a saturday afternoon? How likely is it for a solar flare, big enough to affect the banking system? And more specifiacally, within the 23 x 5 hour windows per season, in which it would actually affect us? Im pretty sure if you added up the money spent cashing up, and physically banking everything, it would far outweigh the money lost on the rare occasion the clubs card terminals werent working
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Post by RD on Jun 27, 2022 12:33:11 GMT
It’s not just the reliability but the vulnerability which bothers me. There’s more than one hostile state actor who would love to take down the banking system which would cause absolute chaos if it was for any length of time. And then there’s natural events like solar flares which could knock out the associated electronics. Persisting with a physical back up system like cash seems prudent to me. Sorry but this is bordering on rediculous now. So we should stick to cash, in the unlikely even that a solar flare strikes on a saturday afternoon? How likely is it for a solar flare, big enough to affect the banking system? And more specifiacally, within the 23 x 5 hour windows per season, in which it would actually affect us? Im pretty sure if you added up the money spent cashing up, and physically banking everything, it would far outweigh the money lost on the rare occasion the clubs card terminals werent working Tbf I read it as a more general concern about the world going cashless - i.e. not specifically in relation to 3pm on a given Saturday when Rovers happen to be playing at the Mem!
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Jun 27, 2022 12:33:24 GMT
Will drug dealers have to have a machine for cards then 😂. What will users use to sniff it with I'm sure that they're ahead of the game regarding being cashless.
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Post by Squiffy on Jun 27, 2022 12:43:28 GMT
Will drug dealers have to have a machine for cards then 😂. What will users use to sniff it with I'm sure that they're ahead of the game regarding being cashless. Limited edition trainers? 😂
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Post by clockendgas on Jun 27, 2022 12:48:29 GMT
When I saw the opening title I thought they had made another documentary about rovers history
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Post by dudelebowski on Jun 27, 2022 12:53:16 GMT
Textbook Gasheads this😂😂😂😂😂
Modernise our match day operations? Keep up with the times? Nah let’s keep rolling like 1984.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Jun 27, 2022 12:54:04 GMT
When I saw the opening title I thought they had made another documentary about rovers history You bugger - I strained my stitches laughing at that!
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Post by inee on Jun 27, 2022 13:00:28 GMT
Most people can use contactless technology. There’s still some who struggle with it. It’s baffling for those of us on an Internet forum how something so simple can be such a battle. However these people are out there. There are also people who can understand it, and use it, but prefer not to. Many because they don’t trust it, don’t feel they can budget properly with it (especially at this time!!!), some because of tax / legal concerns. For me if I could Apple Pay everywhere in the stadium or even use my season ticket card to make payment then I’ll celebrate that progress. However, I’m concerned there are many that will see this as a backward step that represents a kick in the Mitre Deltas. Amazes me the lack of empathy on this matter. Would people celebrate bank branches, post offices being closed in this manner? I would imagine there's lack of empathy as it's such a simple and trivial matter. It's basic and straightforward, and if you've not got a bank account, and deal in 'cash only', as you want to 'play the system', then that's your fault, no one else's. My old man is as luddite as they come, but at 78 years old, even he knows how contactless payments work. Play the system my arse, i prefer cash, yes you have to take it out the bank but from then on what i buy is known only to me n the person i bought from, cashless just another way of monitering individuals. Besides with cash i know where i am and can budget accordingly , its much easier for me to have a pocketfull of money as once my pockets empty i know im skint, whereas with a cared you can go over easily then get charged. Cards are easy to scam, hence why banks have bought in the pain in the arse authentication, with cash the only way you cann get scammed is if yer mugged
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2022 13:14:34 GMT
I barely ever use cash. I realise that means my spending habits are more easily tracked etc. And I have no doubt that information will be monetised and sold on in some way or form at some point.
Despite the fact I choose not to use cash most of the time I absolutely think we should continue offering it as an option. It is our formal currency for god's sake. Some people don't even have a bank account. Yes the number is small but the idea we would actively choose to 100% exclude anyone (even a single person) seems mad to me and not something I support.
The people saying this is just moaners resisting "progress" are talking nonsense.
Last season I could pay by card or cash of I choose to. Next season I can only pay by card. That is a reduction in choice. That isn't progress - it is quite literally the opposite.
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Post by Baxtinho on Jun 27, 2022 13:20:21 GMT
I barely ever use cash. I realise that means my spending habits are more easily tracked etc. And I have no doubt that information will be monetised and sold on in some way or form at some point. Despite the fact I choose not to use cash most of the time I absolutely think we should continue offering it as an option. It is our formal currency for god's sake. Some people don't even have a bank account. Yes the number is small but the idea we would actively choose to 100% exclude anyone (even a single person) seems mad to me and not something I support. The people saying this is just moaners resisting "progress" are talking nonsense. Last season I could pay by card or cash of I choose to. Next season I can only pay by card. That is a reduction in choice. That isn't progress - it is quite literally the opposite. It's cheaper, quicker and more secure for the club - lets not kid ourselves, this is why it's happening. I'm like you, find it a right pain when I have to get cash for something, I've no idea how we used to cope on nights out and so on with pockets full of change and having to make special trips to cash points. As you say , you don't want to exclude anyone ideally, but if fans can use the electronical tickets to get in, they can pay using their cards.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2022 13:26:20 GMT
I barely ever use cash. I realise that means my spending habits are more easily tracked etc. And I have no doubt that information will be monetised and sold on in some way or form at some point. Despite the fact I choose not to use cash most of the time I absolutely think we should continue offering it as an option. It is our formal currency for god's sake. Some people don't even have a bank account. Yes the number is small but the idea we would actively choose to 100% exclude anyone (even a single person) seems mad to me and not something I support. The people saying this is just moaners resisting "progress" are talking nonsense. Last season I could pay by card or cash of I choose to. Next season I can only pay by card. That is a reduction in choice. That isn't progress - it is quite literally the opposite. It's cheaper, quicker and more secure for the club - lets not kid ourselves, this is why it's happening. I'm like you, find it a right pain when I have to get cash for something, I've no idea how we used to cope on nights out and so on with pockets full of change and having to make special trips to cash points. As you say , you don't want to exclude anyone ideally, but if fans can use the electronical tickets to get in, they can pay using their cards. They can. I can't argue with that logic. I just hate the idea that they HAVE to. I legitimately pay my window cleaner (who is a gashead) in cash. That is their wage for the work they do. They should be allowed to spend their legally earned money wherever they choose. I think it is fundamentally wrong to dictate they pay that in to a bank and pay with a card. I know 99.9% of people (including myself) are happy to do it but I think it is discriminatory to force it on people. I think as a society we should resist this being forced upon everyone.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 27, 2022 13:31:47 GMT
When I saw the opening title I thought they had made another documentary about rovers history My first thought on seeing the thread title was Swiss going through the accounts again. 👀
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Post by dudelebowski on Jun 27, 2022 13:42:02 GMT
‘Cashless payments are monitored’
What kind of sick pervert wants to know wether I’m getting a cheese n onion pasty & coke or not?
The Deviants are getting worse
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 27, 2022 13:44:58 GMT
The real reason is lack of staff to manage cash....I do wonder if our recruitment policy is right.
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Post by RD on Jun 27, 2022 14:08:12 GMT
I would imagine there's lack of empathy as it's such a simple and trivial matter. It's basic and straightforward, and if you've not got a bank account, and deal in 'cash only', as you want to 'play the system', then that's your fault, no one else's. My old man is as luddite as they come, but at 78 years old, even he knows how contactless payments work. Play the system my arse, i prefer cash, yes you have to take it out the bank but from then on what i buy is known only to me n the person i bought from, cashless just another way of monitering individuals. Besides with cash i know where i am and can budget accordingly , its much easier for me to have a pocketfull of money as once my pockets empty i know im skint, whereas with a cared you can go over easily then get charged. Cards are easy to scam, hence why banks have bought in the pain in the arse authentication, with cash the only way you cann get scammed is if yer mugged Not really. Your cash is still in a bank account (or at least most people's). As such - unless operating entirely cash in hand - the likelihood is that you still have a card and as such are just as open to being scammed, irrelevant of whether you use your card for purchases or not; you still have a card and that card is linked to your bank account. Furthermore, get mugged and the money is without question gone forever. Get scammed and - provided you haven't personally done anything negligent - you'll actually have a very high chance of getting the money back. Also, with most banking apps, you can now see where all of your money has gone - when using cash, you're reliant on your memory; probably okay if you know you went out with £10 in your pocket at the start of the day and now it's empty, but not so good if you wanted to remember all your ingoing's and outgoings over a month or even longer. So I accept it's personal preference - and that for you the preference may be cash - but almost all of your wider arguments don't hold weight IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2022 14:21:51 GMT
Play the system my arse, i prefer cash, yes you have to take it out the bank but from then on what i buy is known only to me n the person i bought from, cashless just another way of monitering individuals. Besides with cash i know where i am and can budget accordingly , its much easier for me to have a pocketfull of money as once my pockets empty i know im skint, whereas with a cared you can go over easily then get charged. Cards are easy to scam, hence why banks have bought in the pain in the arse authentication, with cash the only way you cann get scammed is if yer mugged Not really. Your cash is still in a bank account (or at least most people's). As such - unless operating entirely cash in hand - the likelihood is that you still have a card and as such are just as open to being scammed, irrelevant of whether you use your card for purchases or not; you still have a card and that card is linked to your bank account. Furthermore, get mugged and the money is without question gone forever. Get scammed and - provided you haven't personally done anything negligent - you'll actually have a very high chance of getting the money back. Also, with most banking apps, you can now see where all of your money has gone - when using cash, you're reliant on your memory; probably okay if you know you went out with £10 in your pocket at the start of the day and now it's empty, but not so good if you wanted to remember all your ingoing's and outgoings over a month or even longer. So I accept it's personal preference - and that for you the preference may be cash - but almost all of your wider arguments don't hold weight IMO. That's not strictly true though is it RD? Having a card doesn't make you likely to be scammed if you barely use it. Each time you make a transaction it creates a digital footprint and copy of your information. If you don't buy things online with a card and use it rarely or never in a shop, pub or petrol station you are DRASTICALLY less likely to be scammed than someone that uses the card frequently in various places and therefore has a large digital footprint. Regardless of all of that it is the absence of choice that I strongly disagree with.
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Jun 27, 2022 14:25:14 GMT
‘Cashless payments are monitored’ What kind of sick pervert wants to know wether I’m getting a cheese n onion pasty & coke or not? The Deviants are getting worse Probably means from a security perspective although many payment systems are linked to purchasing so it makes it a lot easier when they order
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Post by gashead79 on Jun 27, 2022 15:00:50 GMT
I would imagine there's lack of empathy as it's such a simple and trivial matter. It's basic and straightforward, and if you've not got a bank account, and deal in 'cash only', as you want to 'play the system', then that's your fault, no one else's. My old man is as luddite as they come, but at 78 years old, even he knows how contactless payments work.  Play the system my arse, i prefer cash, yes you have to take it out the bank but from then on what i buy is known only to me n the person i bought from, cashless just another way of monitering individuals. Besides with cash i know where i am and can budget accordingly , its much easier for me to have a pocketfull of money as once my pockets empty i know im skint, whereas with a cared you can go over easily then get charged. Cards are easy to scam, hence why banks have bought in the pain in the arse authentication, with cash the only way you cann get scammed is if yer mugged Yeah. I also like to withdraw x amount for the day and know where I stand budget wise. There are also delayed transactions with some vendors, which is a pain in the bottom.
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Post by RD on Jun 27, 2022 15:19:36 GMT
Not really. Your cash is still in a bank account (or at least most people's). As such - unless operating entirely cash in hand - the likelihood is that you still have a card and as such are just as open to being scammed, irrelevant of whether you use your card for purchases or not; you still have a card and that card is linked to your bank account. Furthermore, get mugged and the money is without question gone forever. Get scammed and - provided you haven't personally done anything negligent - you'll actually have a very high chance of getting the money back. Also, with most banking apps, you can now see where all of your money has gone - when using cash, you're reliant on your memory; probably okay if you know you went out with £10 in your pocket at the start of the day and now it's empty, but not so good if you wanted to remember all your ingoing's and outgoings over a month or even longer. So I accept it's personal preference - and that for you the preference may be cash - but almost all of your wider arguments don't hold weight IMO. That's not strictly true though is it RD? Having a card doesn't make you likely to be scammed if you barely use it. Each time you make a transaction it creates a digital footprint and copy of your information. If you don't buy things online with a card and use it rarely or never in a shop, pub or petrol station you are DRASTICALLY less likely to be scammed than someone that uses the card frequently in various places and therefore has a large digital footprint. Regardless of all of that it is the absence of choice that I strongly disagree with. That wasn't my point though. Inee effectively said that if you don't use a card you can't get scammed - my point was that using cash doesn't mean he's immune. The vast majority of scams are through taking advantage of people - effectively getting someone to use their card when they didn't plan to; very little fraud (in comparison) takes place via valid purchasing. Hence, in terms of this debate, the point stands - using a card to make a genuine purchase at the Mem is highly unlikely to see you at risk of being scammed. Furthermore, if you were scammed as a result of genuine transaction with a reputable company (i.e. they were hacked and your data was stolen etc) you'd get that money back - it's a protected transaction. The only time scamming becomes a genuine issue (i.e. the money is gone for good) is if you do something daft. And that's rarely the debit cards' fault - it's the fault of the individual. No different to somebody handing over a pot of cash to some fraudulently claiming they're from some charity etc.
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