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Post by Kingswood Polak on Aug 6, 2022 11:42:04 GMT
Seems to me 4 posters are chucking their toys out the pram having been desperate to do so for a while but have been grossly disappointed that a promotion under extreme circumstances having been achieved. Come back in September when the window has closed and complain then. Plenty of business still to be done. Things looked gloomy last September. Come May it looked rosy. Absolutely no one is disappointed that we got promoted. The thing with some people on here is that they can’t have a discussion so just revert to bringing up unnecessary and irrelevant points and steer well off track because there’s no actual explanation to back up the points they’re trying to make. By the time we’re 13% of the way through the season hopefully we’ll have signed the 8 or so players we need. Nothing like being prepared Very much reminds me of the first induction session i had, when i got my first job in sales. Fail to plan, plan to fail.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2022 11:44:26 GMT
Absolutely no one is disappointed that we got promoted. The thing with some people on here is that they can’t have a discussion so just revert to bringing up unnecessary and irrelevant points and steer well off track because there’s no actual explanation to back up the points they’re trying to make. By the time we’re 13% of the way through the season hopefully we’ll have signed the 8 or so players we need. Nothing like being prepared Very much reminds me of the first induction session i had, when i got my first job in sales. Fail to plan, plan to fail. Barton has taken his eye off the ball and that will cost points.
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Post by fintanstack on Aug 6, 2022 11:48:44 GMT
Very much reminds me of the first induction session i had, when i got my first job in sales. Fail to plan, plan to fail. Barton has taken his eye off the ball and that will cost points. Do we know that the lack of signings are down to Barton?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2022 11:50:00 GMT
Barton has taken his eye off the ball and that will cost points. Do we know that the lack of signings are down to Barton? I understood Barton was in charge of everything except if it goes wrong.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Aug 6, 2022 11:57:01 GMT
Do we know that the lack of signings are down to Barton? I understood Barton was in charge of everything except if it goes wrong. And when it goes right, he's "struck lucky".
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Post by fintanstack on Aug 6, 2022 12:04:00 GMT
Do we know that the lack of signings are down to Barton? I understood Barton was in charge of everything except if it goes wrong. That is a very childish answer. Clearly we have had a poor summer and someone is presumably to blame for that. Excuse me for trying to understand exactly who that person is rather than just making ill informed assumptions.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Aug 6, 2022 12:27:13 GMT
Barton has taken his eye off the ball and that will cost points. Do we know that the lack of signings are down to Barton? As i said, he may well now be aware of the club limitations , it was not long ago we were told we had to bring on youngsters , to be a viable club. I imagine, just my thoughts, that the manager could be feeling frustrated that we are not like Fleeetwood, whop provided him , near enough, what he wanted. Could well be the club that is reigning things in
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Post by oldie on Aug 6, 2022 12:31:12 GMT
I understood Barton was in charge of everything except if it goes wrong. That is a very childish answer. Clearly we have had a poor summer and someone is presumably to blame for that. Excuse me for trying to understand exactly who that person is rather than just making ill informed assumptions. It's a fair challenge. But given that the whole of the inherited club structure was dismantled and the current structure is "opaque", who really knows. But given the Barton's comments and dominance of all recruitment information coming out of the club, it's a fair assumption that the choices and decisions are his.
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Post by Quarters on Aug 6, 2022 12:40:49 GMT
Given the way JB said one thing about players before the start of the season and ten effectively threw three players under the bus you have to wonder what is his underlying message and to who? Not suggesting he is wrong just the way he has gone about it. There is probably a reason.
Of course there are some that will say, oh what a great strong manager but is that the reality. He was never going to like Westbrooke so instead of just trying to move on he went down the clean slate route only to jettison after one game. For Rodman he previously said Rodders needed to do some thinking, so, again, never expected him to be included in the squad this season. Just do not understand the dram he created for these two, was it to distract from the Clarke situation or something else?
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Post by gasandelectricity on Aug 6, 2022 12:52:21 GMT
So with the Gordon news we’re net only down Westbrooke and Rodman. Whom most supporters would have been disappointed to have seen in the squad anyway.
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Post by fintanstack on Aug 6, 2022 12:53:36 GMT
That is a very childish answer. Clearly we have had a poor summer and someone is presumably to blame for that. Excuse me for trying to understand exactly who that person is rather than just making ill informed assumptions. It's a fair challenge. But given that the whole of the inherited club structure was dismantled and the current structure is "opaque", who really knows. But given the Barton's comments and dominance of all recruitment information coming out of the club, it's a fair assumption that the choices and decisions are his. If Barton has been given a reasonable budget then it is probably fair to assume he has been slow off the mark over the summer. A policy of amazing loan players may be wise from him but giving other teams a head start like we did last season is very risky given the teams in this division. He may yet pull in four or five amazing players for next to nothing again and if so we will have to accept that is the model Barton wants to use. I am not yet ready to judge until November when we should see if he repeats last seasons formula.
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Post by fintanstack on Aug 6, 2022 12:55:06 GMT
So with the Gordon news we’re net only down Westbrooke and Rodman. Whom most supporters would have been disappointed to have seen in the squad anyway. We are better off than that, given many on here said including Westbrooke was effectively playing with ten men. At least we will kick off with eleven on the pitch this week.
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Post by trevorgas on Aug 6, 2022 12:57:10 GMT
That is a very childish answer. Clearly we have had a poor summer and someone is presumably to blame for that. Excuse me for trying to understand exactly who that person is rather than just making ill informed assumptions. It's a fair challenge. But given that the whole of the inherited club structure was dismantled and the current structure is "opaque", who really knows. But given the Barton's comments and dominance of all recruitment information coming out of the club, it's a fair assumption that the choices and decisions are his. We can't say we've had a poor summer as the window isn't over yet,let's wait to the end and be a bit more objective,personally,I would much rather have quality over quantity just to satisfy our rather irrational fan base.
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Post by oldie on Aug 6, 2022 13:17:24 GMT
It's a fair challenge. But given that the whole of the inherited club structure was dismantled and the current structure is "opaque", who really knows. But given the Barton's comments and dominance of all recruitment information coming out of the club, it's a fair assumption that the choices and decisions are his. If Barton has been given a reasonable budget then it is probably fair to assume he has been slow off the mark over the summer. A policy of amazing loan players may be wise from him but giving other teams a head start like we did last season is very risky given the teams in this division. He may yet pull in four or five amazing players for next to nothing again and if so we will have to accept that is the model Barton wants to use. I am not yet ready to judge until November when we should see if he repeats last seasons formula. On paper that's right. But it does seem, to me, that we finished last season with a large amount of momentum and that has evaporated. Which is the price you pay I guess if your key players have been on loan and you can't hold onto them. I can't help feeling though that it was unlikely we would hold on to Taylor, given the season long consistency he displayed and E Anderson was a Premier League player playing L2 (which turned a decent L2 team into a promoted team). Given that surely we would, should, have been planning replacements? Maybe we have and I have no insight into the constraints Barton is working under. Let's see how this afternoon goes, but if we lose then it's likely we will be behind the 8 ball by the end of August.
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Post by CrispPusher on Aug 6, 2022 13:21:16 GMT
That is a very childish answer. Clearly we have had a poor summer and someone is presumably to blame for that. Excuse me for trying to understand exactly who that person is rather than just making ill informed assumptions. It's a fair challenge. But given that the whole of the inherited club structure was dismantled and the current structure is "opaque", who really knows. But given the Barton's comments and dominance of all recruitment information coming out of the club, it's a fair assumption that the choices and decisions are his. What happened to the guy who was brought in from Fleetwood to deal with transfers? Transfer guru, I seem to recall, he was referred as in the Post hahahaha!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2022 13:22:06 GMT
It's a fair challenge. But given that the whole of the inherited club structure was dismantled and the current structure is "opaque", who really knows. But given the Barton's comments and dominance of all recruitment information coming out of the club, it's a fair assumption that the choices and decisions are his. We can't say we've had a poor summer as the window isn't over yet,let's wait to the end and be a bit more objective,personally,I would much rather have quality over quantity just to satisfy our rather irrational fan base. Agree 100% , some of the posts on here have been ridiculous
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Aug 6, 2022 13:25:49 GMT
It's a fair challenge. But given that the whole of the inherited club structure was dismantled and the current structure is "opaque", who really knows. But given the Barton's comments and dominance of all recruitment information coming out of the club, it's a fair assumption that the choices and decisions are his. What happened to the guy who was brought in from Fleetwood to deal with transfers? Transfer guru, I seem to recall, he was referred as in the Post hahahaha! I presume you mean Eddie Jennings? He's still here, presumably working away in the background.
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Post by CrispPusher on Aug 6, 2022 13:33:33 GMT
What happened to the guy who was brought in from Fleetwood to deal with transfers? Transfer guru, I seem to recall, he was referred as in the Post hahahaha! I presume you mean Eddie Jennings? He's still here, presumably working away in the background. That's him thanks. Bloody hell nice work if you can get it! 🤦
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 6, 2022 15:08:15 GMT
It's a fair challenge. But given that the whole of the inherited club structure was dismantled and the current structure is "opaque", who really knows. But given the Barton's comments and dominance of all recruitment information coming out of the club, it's a fair assumption that the choices and decisions are his. We can't say we've had a poor summer as the window isn't over yet,let's wait to the end and be a bit more objective,personally,I would much rather have quality over quantity just to satisfy our rather irrational fan base. I wonder if JB's usual approach is to wait until the window is about to close and then pick up a few bargains? Didn't he say last season Evans was on a ridiculously low wage, and he signed on deadline day. What do posters want JB to sign 4 players on silly money now, DC style, or 6 or 7 just as the window is about to close?
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Post by trevorgas on Aug 6, 2022 15:12:06 GMT
We can't say we've had a poor summer as the window isn't over yet,let's wait to the end and be a bit more objective,personally,I would much rather have quality over quantity just to satisfy our rather irrational fan base. I wonder if JB's usual approach is to wait until the window is about to close and then pick up a few bargains? Didn't he say last season Evans was on a ridiculously low wage, and he signed on deadline day. What do posters want JB to sign 4 players on silly money now, DC style, or 6 or 7 just as the window is about to close? Personally, quality into the team even if we have to wait and we end up a bit short for while,also let's see if some of our Academy players can step up ala Hoole
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