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Post by Sir Trevor B'Sol on Oct 29, 2022 19:01:09 GMT
Sometimes the outcome of events is predictable.
We all hoped for the best. BUT......
A comparison of 4 particular players is illuminating.
DERBY COUNTY FRONT TWO TODAY
James Collins, 31 years old.
Played 420+89 league matches.
Scored 172 league goals.
David McColdrick, 34 years old.
Played 354+121 league matches.
Scored 121 league goals.
Both players have played at a higher level for long periods of their career.
BRISTOL ROVERS CENTRAL DEFENDERS TODAY.
Bobby Thomas, aged 21.
Made 27+3 league appearances.
Luca Hoole, aged 20.
Made 39+4 appearances.
The pairings could not be more extreme.
Experience and know-how against the learners.
Luca is really a right wing back who is trying to adapt to a new position for the long term.
These two players are not a well-honed combination.
With a week's decent preparation the outcome might have been slightly better.
Given the circumstances of the last week the outcome of this mismatch was not unexpected.
No disrespect to the Rovers duo. They both have the potential to become very good players at a high level.
The rematch on Saturday 15th April 2023 will be interesting. It won't be 4-2 to The Rams and the matchup will be very different. UTG.
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Post by dudelebowski on Oct 29, 2022 22:57:25 GMT
Hoole is a second choice right back and more. Would never have him starting over a fully fit Gibbons, as for RWB his delivery in the attacking half is abysmal, plus he’s not at all quick so never have him over a Harry Anderson. Playing him CB today was total surrender as was clear for everyone to see.
Bullied, bossed, hesitant. The second Beefy came into the battle on the hour he showed how it’s done. Up the ass of McGoldrick, first contact BANG, anticipate, commit to the challenge, win the ball at any cost, header, tackle, out for a throw, anything. No letting the ball bounce or allowing their forwards the first three touches!
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Post by singupgas on Oct 30, 2022 8:15:59 GMT
Thomas does look fairly steady at the back.
Hoole is not a CB, he is decent player, brilliant season at RB in league 2. But doesn't look comfortable at all in the middle of defence.
We gift them goals yesterday, but it has to be said their strikers know where the goal is and take the chances well.
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Post by Rod1883 on Oct 30, 2022 10:48:31 GMT
Alfie would have been a better choice alongside Thomas for the first hour yesterday imho - assuming Connolly couldn't be risked for the full 90. He wouldn't have been bullied and probably wouldn't have played nonsense passes along the back line. He would have made the odd mistake and he would, probably, often just hoof it upfield to concede possession - but that was what was needed yesterday.
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Post by percy on Oct 30, 2022 10:55:11 GMT
Alfie would have been a better choice alongside Thomas for the first hour yesterday imho - assuming Connolly couldn't be risked for the full 90. He wouldn't have been bullied and probably wouldn't have played nonsense passes along the back line. He would have made the odd mistake and he would, probably, often just hoof it upfield to concede possession - but that was what was needed yesterday. Same as the Lincoln game. But again Joey comes out and blames Hoole and takes no responsibility I give him credit when he deserves it , but also needs calling out for these poor selections and comments
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Post by madridgas on Oct 31, 2022 9:39:17 GMT
Sometimes the outcome of events is predictable. We all hoped for the best. BUT...... A comparison of 4 particular players is illuminating. DERBY COUNTY FRONT TWO TODAY James Collins, 31 years old. Played 420+89 league matches. Scored 172 league goals. David McColdrick, 34 years old. Played 354+121 league matches. Scored 121 league goals. Both players have played at a higher level for long periods of their career. BRISTOL ROVERS CENTRAL DEFENDERS TODAY. Bobby Thomas, aged 21. Made 27+3 league appearances. Luca Hoole, aged 20. Made 39+4 appearances. The pairings could not be more extreme. Experience and know-how against the learners. Luca is really a right wing back who is trying to adapt to a new position for the long term. These two players are not a well-honed combination. With a week's decent preparation the outcome might have been slightly better. Given the circumstances of the last week the outcome of this mismatch was not unexpected. No disrespect to the Rovers duo. They both have the potential to become very good players at a high level. The rematch on Saturday 15th April 2023 will be interesting. It won't be 4-2 to The Rams and the matchup will be very different. UTG. Thanks for posting. It does highlight the reality of the situation. I agree with it and the other comments regarding probably starting Alfie if Beefy wasn't ready for 90 mins.
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Post by herbertblake on Nov 1, 2022 12:05:14 GMT
James Collins scored against Rovers for Shrewsbury and for the second time last Saturday a gap of over 10 and a half years from first and last goal against the Gas.
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Post by wider on Nov 1, 2022 12:26:12 GMT
Sometimes the outcome of events is predictable. We all hoped for the best. BUT...... A comparison of 4 particular players is illuminating. DERBY COUNTY FRONT TWO TODAY James Collins, 31 years old. Played 420+89 league matches. Scored 172 league goals. David McColdrick, 34 years old. Played 354+121 league matches. Scored 121 league goals. Both players have played at a higher level for long periods of their career. BRISTOL ROVERS CENTRAL DEFENDERS TODAY. Bobby Thomas, aged 21. Made 27+3 league appearances. Luca Hoole, aged 20. Made 39+4 appearances. The pairings could not be more extreme. Experience and know-how against the learners. Luca is really a right wing back who is trying to adapt to a new position for the long term. These two players are not a well-honed combination. With a week's decent preparation the outcome might have been slightly better. Given the circumstances of the last week the outcome of this mismatch was not unexpected. No disrespect to the Rovers duo. They both have the potential to become very good players at a high level. The rematch on Saturday 15th April 2023 will be interesting. It won't be 4-2 to The Rams and the matchup will be very different. UTG. Thanks for posting. It does highlight the reality of the situation. I agree with it and the other comments regarding probably starting Alfie if Beefy wasn't ready for 90 mins. But wasn’t Alfie also out with injury?
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Post by toggsy2 on Nov 1, 2022 12:53:17 GMT
If we can get Taylor back I think in the short term Hoole would benefit from going out on loan to a league 2 club to learn the CB role. As for Alfie as much as like him, I think his days are numbered here, hasnt been the same player since Tony Craig left. Can see him ending up at Newport under Couglan which IMHO would be a great move for him.
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Post by percy on Nov 1, 2022 13:07:40 GMT
If we can get Taylor back I think in the short term Hoole would benefit from going out on loan to a league 2 club to learn the CB role. As for Alfie as much as like him, I think his days are numbered here, hasnt been the same player since Tony Craig left. Can see him ending up at Newport under Couglan which IMHO would be a great move for him. Alfie to Newport on loan for me. Give him a chance to get back to his best. Hoole needs to stay as cover at RB for Gibbons
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Post by toggsy2 on Nov 1, 2022 17:09:32 GMT
If we can get Taylor back I think in the short term Hoole would benefit from going out on loan to a league 2 club to learn the CB role. As for Alfie as much as like him, I think his days are numbered here, hasnt been the same player since Tony Craig left. Can see him ending up at Newport under Couglan which IMHO would be a great move for him. Alfie to Newport on loan for me. Give him a chance to get back to his best. Hoole needs to stay as cover at RB for Gibbons Any idea how long Alfie has left on his contract, with the way JB works it may be worth cashing in on Alfie istead of him going for nothing when his contracts up
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Post by eric on Nov 1, 2022 19:05:38 GMT
Alfie to Newport on loan for me. Give him a chance to get back to his best. Hoole needs to stay as cover at RB for Gibbons Any idea how long Alfie has left on his contract, with the way JB works it may be worth cashing in on Alfie istead of him going for nothing when his contracts up Cashing in? What is the 4th or 5th choice centre back at a mid table league one team worth these days? Not a lot I’d have thought?
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 1, 2022 20:44:49 GMT
Any idea how long Alfie has left on his contract, with the way JB works it may be worth cashing in on Alfie istead of him going for nothing when his contracts up Cashing in? What is the 4th or 5th choice centre back at a mid table league one team worth these days? Not a lot I’d have thought? Hopefully we can also cash in on Westbrooke as well before he runs his contract down!!!
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Post by alanrg on Nov 1, 2022 20:56:26 GMT
Kilgour and Westbrooke both out of contract in June 2023
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 1, 2022 22:01:15 GMT
If we can get Taylor back I think in the short term Hoole would benefit from going out on loan to a league 2 club to learn the CB role. As for Alfie as much as like him, I think his days are numbered here, hasnt been the same player since Tony Craig left. Can see him ending up at Newport under Couglan which IMHO would be a great move for him. He doesn’t need to learn the CB role, he’s a RB or a RWB. It’s like saying Belshaw needs to go on loan to play left wing.
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Post by Big Jock on Nov 1, 2022 22:02:35 GMT
Hoole will be a major player for us going forward.
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Post by socrates on Nov 1, 2022 23:50:48 GMT
Hoole will be a major player for us going forward. Already has been last season too. One of the best right backs in league 2 last season and I can’t remember him having a bad game in that position since he made his professional debut around a year ago.
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Post by toggsy2 on Nov 1, 2022 23:52:23 GMT
Any idea how long Alfie has left on his contract, with the way JB works it may be worth cashing in on Alfie istead of him going for nothing when his contracts up Cashing in? What is the 4th or 5th choice centre back at a mid table league one team worth these days? Not a lot I’d have thought? A small fee is hetter than no fee as they say every little helps
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Post by toggsy2 on Nov 2, 2022 0:07:39 GMT
If we can get Taylor back I think in the short term Hoole would benefit from going out on loan to a league 2 club to learn the CB role. As for Alfie as much as like him, I think his days are numbered here, hasnt been the same player since Tony Craig left. Can see him ending up at Newport under Couglan which IMHO would be a great move for him. He doesn’t need to learn the CB role, he’s a RB or a RWB. It’s like saying Belshaw needs to go on loan to play left wing. Dont try to be a smart arse by taking my words out of context and trying to make me look stupid with your comments Learning similar position/role to the posistion/role they already play, is called development thus making players more versatile. As for saying its like sending Belshaw out to learn to play left wing makes you look like a complete bell end
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Post by eric on Nov 2, 2022 11:21:42 GMT
He doesn’t need to learn the CB role, he’s a RB or a RWB. It’s like saying Belshaw needs to go on loan to play left wing. Dont try to be a smart arse by taking my words out of context and trying to make me look stupid with your comments Learning similar position/role to the posistion/role they already play, is called development thus making players more versatile. As for saying its like sending Belshaw out to learn to play left wing makes you look like a complete bell end I think Hoole is first and foremost a right back. No problem with him developing his skills and imo he is far more suited to centre back in a 3 or 5 than he would ever be as a wingback. I just don’t see he’s got the ball skills to be effective in attacking positions which are must haves for a wingback
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