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Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 13, 2022 12:03:23 GMT
Definitely. You’d have to commit to redeveloping the whole ground though as it’s too important for a temporary stand to work - it would need replacing with something built to last. We’re in that awkward situation really where it doesn’t make sense to spend significant amounts on the Mem whilst it’s future is in the balance. Assuming we’d have to spend double digit millions to get anything worthwhile for what might be just 5 years at the Mem. How on earth is the future of the Mem in balance. What is the other option that doesn't exist in a parallel universe. The only realistic sides of the equations are it falls down or it doesn't Well if; we don’t invest and it gets shut down piece by piece over the years. Or ends up having a wrecking ball to it in 5 years time as we get a new stadium Or ends up sticking around and being invested in because we can’t get a new site elsewhere. Isn’t hanging in the balance I’d hate to know what your standards for using this as a turn of phrase are.
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Post by playtowin on Nov 13, 2022 12:16:27 GMT
If you work along the lines of Joe believing he can get Rovers in the championship in a couple of seasons. That gives Rovers 4 to five years from today to have an all seater (rail seats possibly) stadium. Work can only take place in the summer. Work has to start this summer adapting existing terrace areas. Realistically to be able to stay up you need 15-16,000 capacity. Preston NE being a club to base our immediate future ideas on. Work to do what this summer, there's no way you can turn the Mem into an all seat stadium without spend £m's, something Weal's always been reluctant to do. You may remember just a short while ago a seated stand was constructed on the east terrace. The same "low cost" seated area can be put in the whole west stand. A tent roof is not needed though. That could happen this summer.
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Post by darkbluegas on Nov 13, 2022 12:48:12 GMT
How on earth is the future of the Mem in balance. What is the other option that doesn't exist in a parallel universe. The only realistic sides of the equations are it falls down or it doesn't Well if; we don’t invest and it gets shut down piece by piece over the years. Or ends up having a wrecking ball to it in 5 years time as we get a new stadium Or ends up sticking around and being invested in because we can’t get a new site elsewhere. Isn’t hanging in the balance I’d hate to know what your standards for using this as a turn of phrase are. Your middle paragraph suggested to me that there was an option that didn't involve us staying at the Mem. As though we couldnt spend money on the ground as our future there was in the balance. I'm not sure where you think there's a realistic option away from the Mem unless we ground share
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Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 13, 2022 12:53:11 GMT
Well if; we don’t invest and it gets shut down piece by piece over the years. Or ends up having a wrecking ball to it in 5 years time as we get a new stadium Or ends up sticking around and being invested in because we can’t get a new site elsewhere. Isn’t hanging in the balance I’d hate to know what your standards for using this as a turn of phrase are. Your middle paragraph suggested to me that there was an option that didn't involve us staying at the Mem. As though we couldnt spend money on the ground as our future there was in the balance. I'm not sure where you think there's a realistic option away from the Mem unless we ground share I don’t think a ground share is a realistic option. I see new stadium or redeveloping the Mem as realistic options. However those at the club know what’s feasible and realistic regards both of those. Plenty of other clubs get new grounds so I don’t see why we can’t find a way to get a new ground. Even if the last 50 years is enough to shake the optimism of that actually happening.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Nov 13, 2022 12:53:18 GMT
I'm not the best with maths and there is 4 capacity figures quoted in the O.P from the club. can someone please confirm what the maximum attendance now ? .
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 13, 2022 13:08:30 GMT
"This review produced a new capacity of 10,538, which is the current licensed capacity."
That quote seems pretty clear to me? It's just reduced if the East Terrace is open to away fans.
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Post by nsgas on Nov 13, 2022 13:18:20 GMT
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Nov 13, 2022 13:43:24 GMT
There must be enough room at the South Stand end of the ground to build some sort of decent semi-permanent structure? Now that the family stand is gone and the line of sight isn’t needed from there we can move the pitch markings back towards the Thatchers quite abit.
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Nov 13, 2022 14:30:47 GMT
Brunton parks main stand is similar to our East stand with terracing in front. It had 'wings' added at a later date so are level with the original seating.
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Post by dexygas on Nov 13, 2022 15:48:45 GMT
I'm not the best with maths and there is 4 capacity figures quoted in the O.P from the club. can someone please confirm what the maximum attendance now ? . Well is the capactiy not 9300? Which was the attendance against Plymouth, which was a sell out.
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Post by aghast on Nov 13, 2022 16:58:20 GMT
Plenty of other clubs have redeveloped their stadiums without moving to complexes with hotels and restaurants incorporated or adjacent. Burnley, Preston and Charlton spring to mind.
We were going to do the same to the Mem in 2008 but apparently now it's just not viable. For us, anyway.
In my opinion there is not the finance available or being sought to fund a new stadium, and the reasons given not to rebuild the Mem are just convenient excuses and a smokescreen to hide the lack of money and perhaps ambition.
Just because someone from the club says it's not viable, when it's viable for dozens of other clubs in godforsaken Northern hellholes (sorry Northern hellholes), doesn't mean we have to take this as gospel. Things are said for many reasons, not all of which are totally truthful.
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Post by gasonthemount on Nov 13, 2022 17:00:29 GMT
The licensed capacity of the Mem is 10,538 (which is not much different from what I suggested several months ago). The club have, for various reasons as stated in the article, reduced this figure to 9,832. However this can be further eroded depending on the split between the East Terrace/South Stand for away fans and segregation requirements. So as it stands the absolute max capacity is 9,832 but with segregation requirements likely to be 2/300 less. Therefore technically we have not had a sell out this season. I think the maximum we had last season was 9,750. So that accords with the figures in the article and the loss of capacity due to segregation (which happens in many grounds, particularly when you split a stand between home and away fans). Ideally if we could provide additional seating elsewhere in the stadium, the East Terrace could remain for home fans for all matches and the whole of the South Stand for away fans. segregation requirements would be significantly reduced with this configuration. It would also provide clarity for home fans. We never know until a few days before a game if there will be places in the East Terrace and what seats are available in the South Stand. I think it is too complicated and putting fans off.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Nov 13, 2022 17:48:24 GMT
The licensed capacity of the Mem is 10,538 (which is not much different from what I suggested several months ago). The club have, for various reasons as stated in the article, reduced this figure to 9,832. However this can be further eroded depending on the split between the East Terrace/South Stand for away fans and segregation requirements. So as it stands the absolute max capacity is 9,832 but with segregation requirements likely to be 2/300 less. Therefore technically we have not had a sell out this season. I think the maximum we had last season was 9,750. So that accords with the figures in the article and the loss of capacity due to segregation (which happens in many grounds, particularly when you split a stand between home and away fans). Ideally if we could provide additional seating elsewhere in the stadium, the East Terrace could remain for home fans for all matches and the whole of the South Stand for away fans. segregation requirements would be significantly reduced with this configuration. It would also provide clarity for home fans. We never know until a few days before a game if there will be places in the East Terrace and what seats are available in the South Stand. I think it is too complicated and putting fans off. OK this explains things very well. Surely the answer going forward would be to allow away fans the entire South stand and home fans get the away terrace. For example Plymouth brought 850 terrace 300 seats total - just under 1200. However : this reduced capacity to around 9300. Alternatively we could of given Plymouth 1000 only south stand and increased capacity to just under 10500 by utilising away terrace for home fans. By giving away fans an extra 200 tickets (terrace / seats) means the capacity is reduced by 1000 plus. Surely this makes no sense giving away fans terrace / seating split if it reduces overall capacity by over 1000. From now on 1000 south stand seats should be the maximum for away fans sorted !.
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Post by bluebiro on Nov 13, 2022 17:52:23 GMT
Just bolt on two prefabs stands at either side of the east stand and there is another 600 seats.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Nov 13, 2022 18:11:19 GMT
Just bolt on two prefabs stands at either side of the east stand and there is another 600 seats. Our current average is 8800. We played 1 of the BIG 8 teams. Based on the model we are currently using another 500 tickets will be made avaliable : bearing in mind we still got to offer away fans 1000 plus. The maths don't work and your suggestion may not sound too unrealistic.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 13, 2022 18:11:27 GMT
Just bolt on two prefabs stands at either side of the east stand and there is another 600 seats. They tried that, it didn’t really work.
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Post by simmo147 on Nov 13, 2022 18:29:46 GMT
The licensed capacity of the Mem is 10,538 (which is not much different from what I suggested several months ago). The club have, for various reasons as stated in the article, reduced this figure to 9,832. However this can be further eroded depending on the split between the East Terrace/South Stand for away fans and segregation requirements. So as it stands the absolute max capacity is 9,832 but with segregation requirements likely to be 2/300 less. Therefore technically we have not had a sell out this season. I think the maximum we had last season was 9,750. So that accords with the figures in the article and the loss of capacity due to segregation (which happens in many grounds, particularly when you split a stand between home and away fans). Ideally if we could provide additional seating elsewhere in the stadium, the East Terrace could remain for home fans for all matches and the whole of the South Stand for away fans. segregation requirements would be significantly reduced with this configuration. It would also provide clarity for home fans. We never know until a few days before a game if there will be places in the East Terrace and what seats are available in the South Stand. I think it is too complicated and putting fans off. OK this explains things very well. Surely the answer going forward would be to allow away fans the entire South stand and home fans get the away terrace. For example Plymouth brought 850 terrace 300 seats total - just under 1200. However : this reduced capacity to around 9300. Alternatively we could of given Plymouth 1000 only south stand and increased capacity to just under 10500 by utilising away terrace for home fans. By giving away fans an extra 200 tickets (terrace / seats) means the capacity is reduced by 1000 plus. Surely this makes no sense giving away fans terrace / seating split if it reduces overall capacity by over 1000. From now on 1000 south stand seats should be the maximum for away fans sorted !. All good, however, even giving whole South Stand to away fans only md therefore no loss to segregation still gives maximum capacity of 9,800 as Rovers are self reducing capacity by 700 due to not wanting to overcrowd areas. Which seems utter madness when we are already suffering from the bottom step not being available in all terracing areas. Adding seats to west enclosure would allow guaranteed home seating and a known figure and we could keep South stand as away only but assume West enclosure capacity would be reduced by about 600 if seats added, so conversely this could see capacity max at about 9,200. All very frustrating. The stadium can easily accommodate 10500 so hopefully Rovers will stop self reducing soon and also at somepoint hopefully SAG will allow pitchside use in the terracing also. Bottom line us, a new stadium is massively needed. Circa 18000 available and we would be hitting 13 or 14k for many games and higher in successful seasons at this level.
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Post by bluebiro on Nov 13, 2022 18:34:44 GMT
Just bolt on two prefabs stands at either side of the east stand and there is another 600 seats. They tried that, it didn’t really work. cant remember that happening. What season would that have been?
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Post by keygas on Nov 13, 2022 18:39:16 GMT
The 3 blocks of the east stand hold approx 1100 seats, always wondered if it could be extended the full length of the east terrace & around the full width of the thatchers end, what increase in capacity could be achieved.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 13, 2022 19:23:34 GMT
They tried that, it didn’t really work. cant remember that happening. What season would that have been? When they installed the family stand. They were going to install it on the hardstanding and fit it on the away end too but deemed it that it would block the sightline from the east stand. They aborted and put it on the terraces instead and it was mocked by many. They eventually gave up on the Family Stand and we are where we are today.
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