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Post by bluebiro on Dec 6, 2022 15:15:05 GMT
Garner restrictions? Thought he was given a good budget? Maybe not, seems so long ago. Pretty sure he was given a good budget. Albeit the strategy was about acquiring kids and developing them so it sometimes looks like the cheap option. They were largely inexperienced kids that the parent clubs had lost interest in. Contrast that to JB who often picks up prospects on loan then convinces the parent club to let us take them off their hands at the end of their term. On a side note it’s amazing those who are acting holier than thou over fans reaction to Garner but are happy to chuck muck (some of it of questionable truth) at the club ownership and/or JB. Well said. OK for them to keep having a pop at our owners but not the failed example of a manager. He is fair game for nearly destroying this club in his tenure.
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 6, 2022 15:34:23 GMT
Perhaps but plenty on here were gloating over Liz Truss losing her job on a different thread! 😉 Common theme I think, both manoeuvred themselves into a role for which their ambition was greater than their competence. Not that I’m comparing running the country with a lower league football club but the passions are similar. Its a football forum, it’s Rovers-related so of course people will have an opinion. UTG! That's nonsense Wareham, a completely false equivalence. Truss and her incompetence cost the whole country £billions. A football manager costs THE SHAREHOLDERS money when it doesn't work. Not really. Both put themselves in the public space through ambition and pretending they were capable when in fact they were incompetent. So both have to accept the public opinion their actions caused. Of course the two, a football club and the financial result of that incompetence, are different but there are comparisons. And to pretend on a BRFC forum when something Rovers-related happens that people don’t have a strong opinion is, in itself, a tad unrealistic. UTG!
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Post by wertongas on Dec 6, 2022 15:41:46 GMT
Just frustrating they didn't keep him until we played Charlton, we beat them and it resulted in his sacking that would have been embarrassing for him. Hopefully they will still be in a mess when we come to play them and their team arn't responding with a bounce from a new manager.
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 6, 2022 15:47:52 GMT
Garner restrictions? Thought he was given a good budget? Maybe not, seems so long ago. Pretty sure he was given a good budget. Albeit the strategy was about acquiring kids and developing them so it sometimes looks like the cheap option. They were largely inexperienced kids that the parent clubs had lost interest in. Contrast that to JB who often picks up prospects on loan then convinces the parent club to let us take them off their hands at the end of their term. On a side note it’s amazing those who are acting holier than thou over fans reaction to Garner but are happy to chuck muck (some of it of questionable truth) at the club ownership and/or JB.Indeed gasandelectricity, and iirc Graham C copped a whole load of crap and he took us to 4th place in the table. But best move on and hopefully move upwards. I. Sure BG will appear somewhere else soon blaming the refs, the weather, the pitch, the opposition whichever fits. UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 6, 2022 16:01:07 GMT
FWIW: Despite our feelings about BG it’s also interesting to read what Charlton fans are saying. Not overly complimentary about him but they are laying the blame for the shambles that is Charlton full square at the feet of Sandgaard the owner. They don’t like him and it makes Wael seem like a very popular owner compared, which I think on the whole he is. Mind you they do come over as having a sense of entitlement which I always hate though being a former PL club is perhaps inevitable.
UTG!
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Post by oldie on Dec 6, 2022 18:09:43 GMT
That's nonsense Wareham, a completely false equivalence. Truss and her incompetence cost the whole country £billions. A football manager costs THE SHAREHOLDERS money when it doesn't work. Not really. Both put themselves in the public space through ambition and pretending they were capable when in fact they were incompetent. So both have to accept the public opinion their actions caused. Of course the two, a football club and the financial result of that incompetence, are different but there are comparisons. And to pretend on a BRFC forum when something Rovers-related happens that people don’t have a strong opinion is, in itself, a tad unrealistic. UTG! "And to pretend on a BRFC forum when something Rovers-related happens that people don’t have a strong opinion is, in itself, a tad unrealistic" I never claimed otherwise. I, as I said, find it disquieting that fully formed adults (assumed) should feel the need to come onto football and openly gloat, teenage like, over a bloke who has lost his job. Quite Bizarre
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Post by gasandelectricity on Dec 6, 2022 18:29:12 GMT
Not really. Both put themselves in the public space through ambition and pretending they were capable when in fact they were incompetent. So both have to accept the public opinion their actions caused. Of course the two, a football club and the financial result of that incompetence, are different but there are comparisons. And to pretend on a BRFC forum when something Rovers-related happens that people don’t have a strong opinion is, in itself, a tad unrealistic. UTG! "And to pretend on a BRFC forum when something Rovers-related happens that people don’t have a strong opinion is, in itself, a tad unrealistic" I never claimed otherwise. I, as I said, find it disquieting that fully formed adults (assumed) should feel the need to come onto football and openly gloat, teenage like, over a bloke who has lost his job. Quite Bizarre Football managers, just like politicians, know what they’re putting themselves in the frame for when they take up their job. They know that if they fail their performance won’t be reviewed in dignity in a private setting with a settlement and a quiet dismissal. The dismissal is done in public with every man and his dog making his feelings on the matter known loud and clear, sometimes with outright humiliation. This isn’t normal employment. What next? We shouldn’t comment on football players performances because it’s in the public sphere. If this was the case then there would be absolutely zero point in gaschat.
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Post by oldie on Dec 6, 2022 19:23:00 GMT
"And to pretend on a BRFC forum when something Rovers-related happens that people don’t have a strong opinion is, in itself, a tad unrealistic" I never claimed otherwise. I, as I said, find it disquieting that fully formed adults (assumed) should feel the need to come onto football and openly gloat, teenage like, over a bloke who has lost his job. Quite Bizarre Football managers, just like politicians, know what they’re putting themselves in the frame for when they take up their job. They know that if they fail their performance won’t be reviewed in dignity in a private setting with a settlement and a quiet dismissal. The dismissal is done in public with every man and his dog making his feelings on the matter known loud and clear, sometimes with outright humiliation. This isn’t normal employment. What next? We shouldn’t comment on football players performances because it’s in the public sphere. If this was the case then there would be absolutely zero point in gaschat. All true. But here is the rub. His employment at Charlton has nothing to do with us, is it. Anymore than Mansell who was sacked by Gloucester earlier this season. Frankly this is all personal about a guy who got us into trouble, in circumstances that very very few on here are party to the details of which. It's just very strange herd like behaviour. All in my opinion of course.
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Post by yattongas on Dec 6, 2022 19:45:57 GMT
Football managers, just like politicians, know what they’re putting themselves in the frame for when they take up their job. They know that if they fail their performance won’t be reviewed in dignity in a private setting with a settlement and a quiet dismissal. The dismissal is done in public with every man and his dog making his feelings on the matter known loud and clear, sometimes with outright humiliation. This isn’t normal employment. What next? We shouldn’t comment on football players performances because it’s in the public sphere. If this was the case then there would be absolutely zero point in gaschat. All true. But here is the rub. His employment at Charlton has nothing to do with us, is it. Anymore than Mansell who was sacked by Gloucester earlier this season. Frankly this is all personal about a guy who got us into trouble, in circumstances that very very few on here are party to the details of which. It's just very strange herd like behaviour. All in my opinion of course. So we can’t comment on any ex players ?
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Post by oldie on Dec 6, 2022 19:52:18 GMT
All true. But here is the rub. His employment at Charlton has nothing to do with us, is it. Anymore than Mansell who was sacked by Gloucester earlier this season. Frankly this is all personal about a guy who got us into trouble, in circumstances that very very few on here are party to the details of which. It's just very strange herd like behaviour. All in my opinion of course. So we can’t comment on any ex players ? he never played for, just saying
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Post by Somersetgas on Dec 6, 2022 19:54:41 GMT
So we can’t comment on any ex players ? he never played for, just saying He never really managed either.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 6, 2022 20:03:58 GMT
Football managers, just like politicians, know what they’re putting themselves in the frame for when they take up their job. They know that if they fail their performance won’t be reviewed in dignity in a private setting with a settlement and a quiet dismissal. The dismissal is done in public with every man and his dog making his feelings on the matter known loud and clear, sometimes with outright humiliation. This isn’t normal employment. What next? We shouldn’t comment on football players performances because it’s in the public sphere. If this was the case then there would be absolutely zero point in gaschat. All true. But here is the rub. His employment at Charlton has nothing to do with us, is it. Anymore than Mansell who was sacked by Gloucester earlier this season. Frankly this is all personal about a guy who got us into trouble, in circumstances that very very few on here are party to the details of which. It's just very strange herd like behaviour. All in my opinion of course. That's a bit of an insult to Gaschat members as we're qll capable of making our own decisions w/o following the herd, my view is I didn't like what happened to the club under BG, whether he was just working to the BoD's plan is irrelevant as he accepted the job knowing what the plan was and should have realised it would have never worked. The fact is first signing, chubby Barrett, is now playing in the NLS, sums him up. The as Wertongas suggests the one big disappointment as the Charlton didn't wait until after Christmas to dismiss BG as, if they had, we could have well finally won at The Valley.
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Post by kylegas on Dec 6, 2022 21:18:22 GMT
I was glad we took a shot on him at first, but once I’d seen him speak in an interview I didn’t get the good vibe like DC and Barton give so naturally, and the rubbish football we produced just spoke for itself 👎🏻 I have no ill will towards the guy tho he tried his best to make us a successful team but just failed miserably. I’m sure he’ll do well dropping down a league or 2 Whose idea was it to change everything, bring in youth to sell them on and then talk of a rovers DNA. How he got the job is beyond me but it never should have happened in the first place. The whole thing was a massive mistake. If you wanna hate the guy that’s up to you, I don’t have a personal opinion of the man himself. Just the terrible job he did as our manager lol
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Post by gasandelectricity on Dec 6, 2022 21:18:49 GMT
All true. But here is the rub. His employment at Charlton has nothing to do with us, is it. Anymore than Mansell who was sacked by Gloucester earlier this season. Frankly this is all personal about a guy who got us into trouble, in circumstances that very very few on here are party to the details of which. It's just very strange herd like behaviour. All in my opinion of course. So we can’t comment on any ex players ? Best not comment on the likes of Stefan Payne or Matthew Taylor then!
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Post by oldie on Dec 6, 2022 22:42:12 GMT
All true. But here is the rub. His employment at Charlton has nothing to do with us, is it. Anymore than Mansell who was sacked by Gloucester earlier this season. Frankly this is all personal about a guy who got us into trouble, in circumstances that very very few on here are party to the details of which. It's just very strange herd like behaviour. All in my opinion of course. That's a bit of an insult to Gaschat members as we're qll capable of making our own decisions w/o following the herd, my view is I didn't like what happened to the club under BG, whether he was just working to the BoD's plan is irrelevant as he accepted the job knowing what the plan was and should have realised it would have never worked. The fact is first signing, chubby Barrett, is now playing in the NLS, sums him up. The as Wertongas suggests the one big disappointment as the Charlton didn't wait until after Christmas to dismiss BG as, if they had, we could have well finally won at The Valley. Take it as you wish. The evidence is written in words within this thread. Your own words do you no favours, unless you are under 18, but even then...
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Post by olskooltoteender on Dec 7, 2022 1:37:37 GMT
Garner restrictions? Thought he was given a good budget? Maybe not, seems so long ago. Pretty sure he was given a good budget. Albeit the strategy was about acquiring kids and developing them so it sometimes looks like the cheap option. They were largely inexperienced kids that the parent clubs had lost interest in. Contrast that to JB who often picks up prospects on loan then convinces the parent club to let us take them off their hands at the end of their term. On a side note it’s amazing those who are acting holier than thou over fans reaction to Garner but are happy to chuck muck (some of it of questionable truth) at the club ownership and/or JB. Ironic really . . .
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Post by The Equaliser on Dec 7, 2022 5:55:07 GMT
That's a bit of an insult to Gaschat members as we're qll capable of making our own decisions w/o following the herd, my view is I didn't like what happened to the club under BG, whether he was just working to the BoD's plan is irrelevant as he accepted the job knowing what the plan was and should have realised it would have never worked. The fact is first signing, chubby Barrett, is now playing in the NLS, sums him up. The as Wertongas suggests the one big disappointment as the Charlton didn't wait until after Christmas to dismiss BG as, if they had, we could have well finally won at The Valley. Take it as you wish. The evidence is written in words within this thread. Your own words do you no favours, unless you are under 18, but even then... With respect, perhaps just try to be less condescending Oldie, your posting manner does you no favours either.
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 7, 2022 14:34:45 GMT
Whose idea was it to change everything, bring in youth to sell them on and then talk of a rovers DNA. How he got the job is beyond me but it never should have happened in the first place. The whole thing was a massive mistake. If you wanna hate the guy that’s up to you, I don’t have a personal opinion of the man himself. Just the terrible job he did as our manager lol Not sure that KP has said anything about hating him. (I don’t need to defend KP, he can do that!) But nor has anyone else shown any hate towards him. It’s been variations on a theme of his incompetence as a manager during his time here. I certainly don’t hate him but as a former BRFC manager I think his ambitions were far above his ability to manage. And as you said most have commented because of the terrible job he did as manager. He inherited a squad full of character who battled through brick walls for GC and left ‘Tis with the squad he did. No wonder fans feel the need to comment on a BRFC forum!! 😉 UTG!
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Post by kylegas on Dec 7, 2022 14:41:24 GMT
If you wanna hate the guy that’s up to you, I don’t have a personal opinion of the man himself. Just the terrible job he did as our manager lol Not sure that KP has said anything about hating him. (I don’t need to defend KP, he can do that!) But nor has anyone else shown any hate towards him. It’s been variations on a theme of his incompetence as a manager during his time here. I certainly don’t hate him but as a former BRFC manager I think his ambitions were far above his ability to manage. And as you said most have commented because of the terrible job he did as manager. He inherited a squad full of character who battled through brick walls for GC and left ‘Tis with the squad he did. No wonder fans feel the need to comment on a BRFC forum!! 😉 UTG! He doesn’t need to defend himself and he certainly doesn’t need his boyfriend to jump in for him 😂 I just gave my view which wasn’t aimed at anyone lol
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Post by warehamgas on Dec 7, 2022 14:45:26 GMT
Not sure that KP has said anything about hating him. (I don’t need to defend KP, he can do that!) But nor has anyone else shown any hate towards him. It’s been variations on a theme of his incompetence as a manager during his time here. I certainly don’t hate him but as a former BRFC manager I think his ambitions were far above his ability to manage. And as you said most have commented because of the terrible job he did as manager. He inherited a squad full of character who battled through brick walls for GC and left ‘Tis with the squad he did. No wonder fans feel the need to comment on a BRFC forum!! 😉 UTG! He doesn’t need to defend himself and he certainly doesn’t need his boyfriend to jump in for him 😂 I just gave my view which wasn’t aimed at anyone lol Fair enough, but that being the case why quote him if it wasn’t aimed at him? Odd. UTG!
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